Re: battered TSO's

[Donald Wilkinson]

Tony: RE: the below................ I am totally disgusted and ticked off over the weeks and weeks of hassle over this matter. In no way could these battered TSO's be considered "back issues", as last September I sent you a check for $120 covering three years membership renewal, and have not as yet received any acceptable TSO's. Now, if you, as registrar, lost track of this payment, I don't see how this is my fault. My local PO tells me that you should certainly have received the refused TSO's, but as they were sent media mail, there may be postage due, which you have not paid. Therefor, you can just cancel my membership in the NEMGT Register, and return my 120 bucks. I'll expect a check by this time next week. Don TC 7993 Grand Island NY USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: athomas990@aol.com To: digitaldon@hotmail.com Subject: Re: battered TSO's Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:33:43 -0400 Don: Right now, I don't have any intentions. As I stated in my first response to this discussion thread, I sent your package of replacement TSO's out along with 4 other packages of a similar size, shape, weight, and in the same packing material. All 5 were sent the same day using the same postal method, with 1 even going to Canada. 4 out of the 5 got to their intended recipients intact ... no damage. I have not seen the damaged issues and the packaging ( or its remains ) that reached you ... they have not shown up in the PO Box, despite the fact that you sent them to me several weeks ago now. Until I see them, and can determine who screwed up and damaged the original shipment, I'm going to reserve judgement on sending you any more back issues at Register expense Best regards, -----Original Message----- From: Donald Wilkinson; digitaldon@hotmail.com; To: athomas990@aol.com Sent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:55:32 +0000 Subject: Re: battered TSO's And your intentions are?........................ They have not been returned ... I've been looking for them since your last e-mail on the subject ... most recent trip to the PO box was yesterday ... Subject: Re: battered TSO's: Tony: Surely by now you've received back the battered TSO's. Do you plan to replace them? Don

[kwcp]

Don: I have also had problems with this organization and am no longer a member. I sent many e-mails trying to get my membership renewed and never received an answer. I just gave up. It just wasn't worth the effort. Ken Porter TC 4147 Manchester NH Donald Wilkinson wrote:

>Tony: > >RE: the below................ > >I am totally disgusted and ticked off over the weeks and weeks of hassle >over this matter. In no way could these battered TSO's be considered "back >issues", as last September I sent you a check for $120 covering three years >membership renewal, and have not as yet received any acceptable TSO's. Now, >if you, as registrar, lost track of this payment, I don't see how this is my >fault. My local PO tells me that you should certainly have received the >refused TSO's, but as they were sent media mail, there may be postage due, >which you have not paid. Therefor, you can just cancel my membership in the >NEMGT Register, and return my 120 bucks. I'll expect a check by this time >next week. > >Don >TC 7993 >Grand Island NY USA > >----Original Message Follows---- From: athomas990@aol.com To: >digitaldon@hotmail.com Subject: Re: battered TSO's Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 >11:33:43 -0400 >Don: Right now, I don't have any intentions. As I stated in my first >response to this discussion thread, I sent your package of replacement TSO's >out along with 4 other packages of a similar size, shape, weight, and in the >same packing material. All 5 were sent the same day using the same postal >method, with 1 even going to Canada. 4 out of the 5 got to their intended >recipients intact ... no damage. I have not seen the damaged issues and the >packaging ( or its remains ) that reached you ... they have not shown up in >the PO Box, despite the fact that you sent them to me several weeks ago now. >Until I see them, and can determine who screwed up and damaged the original >shipment, I'm going to reserve judgement on sending you any more back issues >at Register expense >Best regards, > >-----Original Message----- From: Donald Wilkinson; digitaldon@hotmail.com; > >To: athomas990@aol.com Sent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:55:32 +0000 >Subject: Re: battered TSO's >And your intentions are?........................ > >They have not been returned ... I've been looking for them since your last >e-mail on the subject ... most recent trip to the PO box was yesterday ... >Subject: Re: battered TSO's: >Tony: Surely by now you've received back the battered TSO's. Do you plan to >replace them? > >Don > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

[Diecuts@aol.com]

Hi Don, Having received the wonderful new CD with all the past TSOs, I would be happy to pass on to you any back TSOs that you are missing, less any with TA or SVW tickfords. All are in decent shape and never have had any end up missing via mail over 30 years of receiving them. Of course, I have been at the same address all that time so perhaps that may be part of it. Cheers, Lee Jacobsen, TA 2969 tickford [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Donald Wilkinson]

Tony: Forget it (I musta made it all up). Just cancel my membership & return the dues. Don ----Original Message Follows---- From: AThomas990@aol.com To: digitaldon@hotmail.com CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, kwcp@comcast.net, emgeeone@stony.rr.com Subject: Battered TSO's Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:16:20 EDT Don: Before you get everyone in the world upset, let's review the facts and the timeline: - somehow your renewal of September 2004 was not processed ... crap all over me on this one if you want, but at least feign some compassion for a Register volunteer who still works a 65 + hour work week and travels 17 days a month. And remember, I process 2500 + renewals ( 2500 checks / credit cards plus 2500 database updates ) in August and September with only a handful falling through the cracks; - it took you until March 20, 2005 to realize that you weren't receiving TSO's, and then you contacted the ex-Chairman of the Register and not me. Interestingly enough, the past 4 years issues of TSO have asked the membership to contact me for problems related to their dues and receipt of the magazine ... and you can't deny knowing this, because you sent the original renewal to me; - upon receipt of his reply telling you to contact me, you sent me an e-mail on March 21, 2005; - your missing TSO's were sent to you by the end of April, 2005. They went out with 4 other shipments in similar packaging, all of which got there intact ( one even went to Canada and got there in fine condition ). - you sent me a note on May 14th indicating that the TSO's had arrived damaged and that you had returned them to me; - I sent you a note advising that I wanted to inspect the damaged TSO's and packaging to see what the cause was ... maybe I'm being too prudent a steward of the Register's money, but we spend a lot of money on postage and have had some USPS initiated difficulties from time to time in the past that have cost us real dollars. One of my goals is to fix the USPS problems that cause membership dissatisfaction; - The returned TSO's have not arrived at the PO BOX ... your "cheap shot" about the Register not being willing to pay Postage Due notwithstanding, neither the magazines nor a demand for postage due have been received as of this date. I sent you an e-mail early this week advising you of same; The above sets the record straight on what has transpired so far ... you can deny it if you want to, but I've got the e-mail dialogs that prove my side of the story. Here's one more point ... I have not said I won't send you a replacement for the damaged issues which replaced the originally missing issues. What I did say was that I wanted to find out why they got damaged, so that the next mailing gets to you intact and in pristine condition. Best regards, Tony Thomas Registrar New England MG T Register, Ltd.

[Donald Wilkinson]

Tony: Pay attention: I wish to RESIGN from this organization and have my dues REFUNDED. Don ----Original Message Follows---- From: AThomas990@aol.com To: digitaldon@hotmail.com CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, kwcp@comcast.net, Diecuts@aol.com Subject: Re: Battered TSO's Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:36:02 EDT Don: I'm not prepared to forget it ... your broadcast message "to the world" has unfairly impugned the reputation of the Register and its all-volunteer staff. It's now time for you to uphold your obligation to the Register membership, and work within the processes and their associated timelines to help all of us avoid this type of problem in the future. As I indicated in my last e-mail to you, I will await the arrival of the returned TSO's before making any decision on replacement of the issues. Tony Thomas Registrar New England MG T Register, Ltd.

[Donald Wilkinson]

Tony: Evidently you intend to stiff me. I will check with the Post Office tomorrow to see if you can do that. Don ----Original Message Follows---- From: AThomas990@aol.com To: digitaldon@hotmail.com CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, kwcp@comcast.net, Diecuts@aol.com Subject: Re: Battered TSO's Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:45:27 EDT Don: I have been paying attention ... Your choice of resigning from the Register is yours to make ... and can be invoked at any time and for any reason. Like most ( if not all member-based organizations ) our policy is that there are no refunds when a member resigns in mid-term ... so I don't think you should expect a return of your funds anytime soon. Best regards, Tony Thomas Registrar New England Mg T Register, Ltd.

[Donald Wilkinson]

Tony: I believe that I've made myself abundantly clear. CANCEL my membership and REFUND the $120 I sent you (apparently foolishly) last September. If you do not intend to do this, let me know so that I can take the next step. I have not received any acceptable merchandise from NEMGTR since last September. Don ----Original Message Follows---- From: AThomas990@aol.com To: digitaldon@hotmail.com CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, kwcp@comcast.net, Diecuts@aol.com Subject: Re: Battered TSO's Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:55:11 EDT Don: There is no intent on anyone's part to "stiff you" ... the fact of the matter is that we're dealing with several issues that you seem unable to comprehend or take any partial responsibility for. Let me summarize for you: > it took you 4 months to realize TSO wasn't getting to you; > the Register worked to rectify the problem and sent missing issues to you in 5 weeks > the missing issues got damaged in transit; > you sent the damaged issues back Postage Due and they have not yet arrived ... that was 3 weeks ago; > I'm still more than willing to send a replacment for the damaged issues ... once I find out how we can avoid the replacement shipment from also getting damaged; I think that recaps the story so far ... Best regards, Tony Thomas Registrar New England MG T Register, Ltd.

[Chip Old]

Don, please take your squabble with the New England MG 'T' Register off list. This isn't an appropriate venue for it.

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 01:40 -0000, Donald Wilkinson wrote: > Tony: > > Pay attention: I wish to RESIGN from this organization and have my dues > REFUNDED. > > Don > > ----Original Message Follows---- From: > AThomas990@aol.com To: digitaldon@hotmail.com CC: > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, kwcp@comcast.net, Diecuts@aol.com Subject: Re: > Battered TSO's Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:36:02 EDT Don: I'm > not prepared to forget it ... your broadcast message "to the > world" has unfairly impugned the reputation of the Register and its > all-volunteer staff. It's now time for you to uphold your obligation > to the Register membership, and work within the processes and their > associated timelines to help all of us avoid this type of problem in the > future. As I indicated in my last e-mail to you, I will await the > arrival of the returned TSO's before making any decision on replacement > of the issues. Tony Thomas Registrar New England MG T Register, > Ltd. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net BCPL Network Administrator Phone: 410-887-6180 BCPL.NET Internet Services Manager FAX: 410-887-2091 Baltimore County Public Library 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204-5179 USA

[1939mgtb]

Affirmative. Best, Ray "Much can be achieved with a smile. However, much more can be achieved with a smile and a gun."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net> To: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> Cc: AThomas990@aol.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; kwcp@comcast.net>; Diecuts@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Battered TSO's > Don, please take your squabble with the New England MG 'T' Register off > list. This isn't an appropriate venue for it. > > On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 01:40 -0000, Donald Wilkinson wrote: > >> Tony: >> >> Pay attention: I wish to RESIGN from this organization and have my dues >> REFUNDED. >> >> Don >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- From: >> AThomas990@aol.com To: digitaldon@hotmail.com CC: >> mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, kwcp@comcast.net, Diecuts@aol.com Subject: >> Re: >> Battered TSO's Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:36:02 >> EDT Don: I'm >> not prepared to forget it ... your broadcast message "to the >> world" has unfairly impugned the reputation of the Register and >> its >> all-volunteer staff. It's now time for you to uphold your >> obligation >> to the Register membership, and work within the processes and their >> associated timelines to help all of us avoid this type of problem in >> the >> future. As I indicated in my last e-mail to you, I will await the >> arrival of the returned TSO's before making any decision on >> replacement >> of the issues. Tony Thomas Registrar New England MG T >> Register, >> Ltd. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net > BCPL Network Administrator Phone: 410-887-6180 > BCPL.NET Internet Services Manager FAX: 410-887-2091 > Baltimore County Public Library > 320 York Road > Towson, MD 21204-5179 USA > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Jim and Shirley Mink]

I agree with Chip. This list is not the place to vent at the Register. Stay with the cars and keep the feuds off line. Jim