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Judson D. Jones
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Post by Judson D. Jones » Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:23 pm

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Stan wrote:
> A number of years ago I saw an interesting beast, I think it was at > Alice's restaurant in La Honda or Skylonda or whatever that area is
called.
> > Anyways, if memory serves it was a BMW K100 or K1100 of some
flavor,
> with a sidecar, powered by an RX-7 rotary mill mounted in the
sidecar... ...the answer to the question nobody asked.

Chris
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Post by Chris » Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:29 pm

On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 10:03:50PM -0000, gpokluda wrote:
> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "leah_1winston" > wrote: > > Hello Folks, > > Does anyone have any information, pictures, hints or links > regarding > > building a very basic sidecar / third wheel for a KLR650? It only > > needs to be a frame arrangement and does not need to carry a load. > > Thanks > > Dom and Leah > > Sidecars, no matter how light and well setup will drastically change > the handling characteristics of any motorcycle. A customer (and very > good rider) at my shop came across a very light side car and mounted > it up to his BMW R90. A few weeks later he was in intensive care as > the result of an accident where he misjudged the characteristics of > his outfit. Just thought you need to know this going into your > project. > > Gino > Rider Valley Motorcycles > Ural dealer
I've just never understood side-hacks, a trike makes more sense to me or even a trailer. I've always thought of them as "Oh hmm my motorcycle isn't nearly dangerous enough, maybe I should try removing all the maneuverability for more challenge.". -- ___ ______ _____ __ ________ ___ / _ |< < / == / ___/__ / /_ /_ __/ / __ ____ _ ___ /__ \ / __ |/ // / ****/ (_ / _ \/ __/ / / / _ \/ // / ' \/ _ \ /__/ /_/ |_/_//_/ == \___/\___/\__/ /_/ /_//_/\_,_/_/_/_/ .__/ (_) 8600 miles*Russel Lines*Supertrapp Race* /_/ http://www.panix.com/~cesser/mybike/

gpokluda
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Post by gpokluda » Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:54 pm

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote:
> I've just never understood side-hacks, a trike makes more sense to
me
> or even a trailer. I've always thought of them as "Oh hmm my > motorcycle isn't nearly dangerous enough, maybe I should try
removing
> all the maneuverability for more challenge.".
A sidecar with an experiemced driver and competent passenger, a.k.a monkey, can be a very capable machine giving plenty of stability in situations a conventioanl two wheeled rig would simply fail, i.e. sand, snow, ice, mud. A trike is just plain dangerous no matter who is at the bars. Cornering and avoidance maneuvering is all but gone with a trike were as even a mediocre hack driver can fly the car with success. I can sell side cars in good conscience. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I sold selling trikes FWIW. IMZ, the manufacturer of the Ural sidecar outfit, has just agreed to send 1500 Ural Patrols and Gear Ups (2wd sidecar machines) to Iraq for law enforcement purposes. The Iraqis didn't ask for trikes or ATVs. There is a reason for that. Gino Rider Valley Motorcycles

Chris
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Post by Chris » Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:23 pm

On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 07:54:11PM -0000, gpokluda wrote:
> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote: > > I've just never understood side-hacks, a trike makes more sense to > me > > or even a trailer. I've always thought of them as "Oh hmm my > > motorcycle isn't nearly dangerous enough, maybe I should try > removing > > all the maneuverability for more challenge.". > > A sidecar with an experiemced driver and competent passenger, a.k.a > monkey, can be a very capable machine giving plenty of stability in > situations a conventioanl two wheeled rig would simply fail, i.e. > sand, snow, ice, mud. > > A trike is just plain dangerous no matter who is at the bars. > Cornering and avoidance maneuvering is all but gone with a trike were > as even a mediocre hack driver can fly the car with success. I can > sell side cars in good conscience. I wouldn't be able to sleep at > night if I sold selling trikes > > FWIW. IMZ, the manufacturer of the Ural sidecar outfit, has just > agreed to send 1500 Ural Patrols and Gear Ups (2wd sidecar machines) > to Iraq for law enforcement purposes. The Iraqis didn't ask for > trikes or ATVs. There is a reason for that. > > Gino > Rider Valley Motorcycles
Ah interesting, thanks. I figured you would know better. -- ___ ______ _____ __ ________ ___ / _ |< < / == / ___/__ / /_ /_ __/ / __ ____ _ ___ /__ \ / __ |/ // / ****/ (_ / _ \/ __/ / / / _ \/ // / ' \/ _ \ /__/ /_/ |_/_//_/ == \___/\___/\__/ /_/ /_//_/\_,_/_/_/_/ .__/ (_) 8600 miles*Russel Lines*Supertrapp Race* /_/ http://www.panix.com/~cesser/mybike/

Bogdan Swider
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Post by Bogdan Swider » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:06 am

Awhile back there was some discussions about attaching a sidecar to a klr. I was reminded of this when reading a recent article in Rider. The main topic was a Ural rig off pavement but they mentioned a rally where two klrs with sidecars showed up. I had an email from a lister volunteering information on klrs and sidecars but I can't find it. If anyone has any knowledge of this subject I'd sure appreciate hearing from them. Bogdan, who is still, I guess, mod happy

Ronald Criswell
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Post by Ronald Criswell » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:22 am

I just don't think the KLR has enough brakes to deal with a sidecar ......... but .... on the other hand, we KLRistas tend to overload them already (including me). Criswell
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Bogdan Swider wrote: > Awhile back there was some discussions about attaching a sidecar to > a klr. I > was reminded of this when reading a recent article in Rider. The > main topic > was a Ural rig off pavement but they mentioned a rally where two > klrs with > sidecars showed up. I had an email from a lister volunteering > information on > klrs and sidecars but I can't find it. If anyone has any knowledge > of this > subject I'd sure appreciate hearing from them. > > Bogdan, who is still, I guess, mod happy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Alan L Henderson
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Post by Alan L Henderson » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:57 am

Bogdan Swider wrote:
> Awhile back there was some discussions about attaching a sidecar to a klr. I > was reminded of this when reading a recent article in Rider. The main topic > was a Ural rig off pavement but they mentioned a rally where two klrs with > sidecars showed up. I had an email from a lister volunteering information on > klrs and sidecars but I can't find it. If anyone has any knowledge of this > subject I'd sure appreciate hearing from them. > > Bogdan, who is still, I guess, mod happy >
A bunch of info at:http://www.dauntlessmotors.com/Mountinghardware/kawasaki.htm Don't know anything other than what I've read. They might even have a leading link front end for the KLR or have a link to where they can be purchased. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

Samuel Hudson
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Post by Samuel Hudson » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:51 pm

Adventuresidecar.com --sam hudson, san antonio tx.

Jud Jones
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Post by Jud Jones » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:17 pm

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Criswell wrote:
> > I just don't think the KLR has enough brakes to deal with a > sidecar ......... but .... on the other hand...
...neither does a Jawa 362. We bike nuts will ride anything - almost.

Ronald Criswell
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Post by Ronald Criswell » Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:21 pm

You are correct on that. I rode a Cushman Highlander as a kid. No power, no brakes, no suspension, no tranny, not much of nothing .... but it wen Kachink, kachink, kachink .... blam, blam (which tends to grow on a bike nut). The heater and air conditioner sucked (depending on the time of year). Criswell
On Jan 12, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Jud Jones wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Criswell > wrote: > > > > I just don't think the KLR has enough brakes to deal with a > > sidecar ......... but .... on the other hand... > > ...neither does a Jawa 362. We bike nuts will ride anything - almost. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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