"overland journal" magazine

[Peter Berghs]

I have the touring version mounted on my KLR. It works as advertised, my chain is clean and I really like not having to worry about cleaning or lubing the chain on a regular basis. I have the reservoir mounted on the left side of the rear fender behind my side rack. The first mounting system I built did not hold up well to the vibration encountered on a trip to Ft Ware but my new mount should be sturdier. Also, I had to move the feed tube from the top of the swing arm to the bottom to keep it in contact with the sprocket. I think there are pictures on the list web-site.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Van Eyk" Subject: [DSN_klr650] Scottoiler Has anyone ever installed this on their bike? I would like > to hear any feedback, good or bad.

[Guest]

Robin wrote: I've been thinking about getting one of the automatic chain oilers as my next 'mod' to my bike, and I was looking at the Scottoiler. It is supposed to work off the vacuum of the engine, without affecting performance. Yet it will dispense a metered amount of oil directly to the chain. Has anyone ever installed this on their bike? I would like to hear any feedback, good or bad. I keep hearing those Scottoilers really work well, and I know they do--great product----and yes they do work off the vacuum of your engine---and no they don't affect engine performance. They work just like the fuel petcock on your KLR. They just take a little vacuum when the engine is running to open them up. These things are fine----however I'll just give you my opinion why I don't want one on my bike-----chain lubing is very easy and quick and I don't want another gizzmo on my bike to take care of such a simple matter. Just a personal preference-----I would rather spend 30 seconds a day lubing my chain than have the automatic oiler--buying it--installing it---the extra weight--maintaning it, etc. Part of my keep it simple strategy. Also-------if you still want one-----I would really think again if you ride offroad much---it might not take the abuse or you might tear it up----just something to think about. I'm sure others will give you many reasons for having one-----so you decide !!! Mark Sampson www.bigdogadventures.com

[Devon Jarvis]

Mark Sampson wrote: snip

> > I keep hearing those Scottoilers really work well, and I know they > do--great product----and yes they do work off the vacuum of your > engine---and no they don't affect engine performance.

snip

> Also-------if you still want one-----I would really think again if you ride > offroad much---it might not take the abuse or you might tear it up----just > something to think about. >

I used a Scottoiler for 13,500mi on my A15. I loved it, it was really convenient and it will make your chain longer ON THE STREET. What Mark says about offroading is right, serious trails or woods can mess it up. Never seriously, never expensive to fix, usually just losing the last 2" drip feed tube. I always carried a spare in my toolkit anyway. But the constant tinkering meant it wasn't less work than just oiling the chain whenever I filled up with gas. Also, it kept the chain and rear sprocket very clean. But not the countershaft sprocket, so these would wear out quickly. The chain was worn so the rollers jingled like a charm bracelet, though the o-rings were in perfect shape, no tight links or other problems, and the rear sprocket was maybe 50% gone by 13,500mi. BUT I went through three countershaft sprockets in that time. If you stayed out of mud and sand this wouldn't be a problem. So, if I was setting up a KLR for 95-100% street usage I would re-install my scottoiler. Until I do that, lots of WD40 and the odd bit of chainsaw oil will do. Devon "It's a troublesome world, all the people who are in it, are troubled with troubles almost every minute" Dr. Seuss

[Bogdan Swider]

> These things are fine----however I'll just give you my opinion why > I don't > want one on my bike-----chain lubing is very easy and quick and I don't > want > another gizzmo on my bike to take care of such a simple matter. > Mark Sampson > www.bigdogadventures.com >

I agree with the dog. Also - seems to me - that with an o-ring cleaning is just as important as lubing. While a steady drip of oil will clean some it won't do what a blast of good ole WD does. Bogdan

[Judson D. Jones]

I've been dribbling 90wt on my chain via a Loobman, a squeeze on the reservoir bottle every couple hundred miles. After running on gravel or offroad, I clean the chain with a grunge brush and wd40.. I'm not pounding over rocks and stuff, but the Loobman has remained in place through a lot of brush and 2-track, and is a fourth the cost of the scottoiler. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan Swider" wrote:

> > > > > These things are fine----however I'll just give you my opinion

why

> > I don't > > want one on my bike-----chain lubing is very easy and quick

and I don't

> > want > > another gizzmo on my bike to take care of such a simple

matter.

> > Mark Sampson > > www.bigdogadventures.com > > > I agree with the dog. Also - seems to me - that with an o-ring

cleaning is

> just as important as lubing. While a steady drip of oil will clean

some it

> won't do what a blast of good ole WD does. > > Bogdan

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2003-05-09 6:29:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jarvisd@... writes:

> > Also, it kept the chain and rear sprocket very clean. But > not the countershaft sprocket, so these would wear out > quickly. The chain was worn so the rollers jingled like a > charm bracelet, though the o-rings were in perfect shape, no > tight links or other problems, and the rear sprocket was > maybe 50% gone by 13,500mi. BUT I went through three > countershaft sprockets in that time. If you stayed out of > mud and sand this wouldn't be a problem. > > So, if I was setting up a KLR for 95-100% street usage I > would re-install my scottoiler. Until I do that, lots of > WD40 and the odd bit of chainsaw oil will do. > > Devon > >

If you just stayed out of the sand and mud ... Thats why I haven't gotten to excited about the automatic chain oilers. I spend enough time off pavement that the oiler is more hassle than its worth. From the old days of dirt biking, there is one sure fire solution for one of you mechanical geniuses to figure out. That would be the enclosed chain. Back in the 60's and 70's most European Enduro bikes - dirt bikes with lights, also came with enclosed chains. I've still got a few old magazines with reviews of those bikes and the one thing they all said, chain life was phenomenal. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[david gay]

In the time of wonderfully strong and o-ringed chains, you would need to be a pretty lazy Fu*k to lay out money on a Scottoiler. Just my .02 Dave A12 kdxkawboy@... wrote:In a message dated 2003-05-09 6:29:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jarvisd@... writes:

> > Also, it kept the chain and rear sprocket very clean. But > not the countershaft sprocket, so these would wear out > quickly. The chain was worn so the rollers jingled like a > charm bracelet, though the o-rings were in perfect shape, no > tight links or other problems, and the rear sprocket was > maybe 50% gone by 13,500mi. BUT I went through three > countershaft sprockets in that time. If you stayed out of > mud and sand this wouldn't be a problem. > > So, if I was setting up a KLR for 95-100% street usage I > would re-install my scottoiler. Until I do that, lots of > WD40 and the odd bit of chainsaw oil will do. > > Devon > >

If you just stayed out of the sand and mud ... Thats why I haven't gotten to excited about the automatic chain oilers. I spend enough time off pavement that the oiler is more hassle than its worth. From the old days of dirt biking, there is one sure fire solution for one of you mechanical geniuses to figure out. That would be the enclosed chain. Back in the 60's and 70's most European Enduro bikes - dirt bikes with lights, also came with enclosed chains. I've still got a few old magazines with reviews of those bikes and the one thing they all said, chain life was phenomenal. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[The Mule]

Having a Scottoiler, or any mounted chain fluid system, shouldn't preclude all other chain care activity. While being a chain care aid, it is not an all-in-one set-it-and-forget-it panacea. Riding off-road is going to shorten your chain and sprocket life. A Scottoiler just makes minimizing chain and sprocket wear easier. I would never do an extensive trip, especially including off-road, without taking a can of WD40 along. This is what I use to prime a dry chain (such as after a water crossing or washing) before oiling, it's what I use to clean my chain and sprockets when needed (after most off-road forays), it's what I use to clean and lubricate cables while out and about, can be used to prime the CDI and other electrical components when corroded, waterlogged, or dirty. Plus it's the one item that I get asked for most when riding with others, giving me that warm fuzzy feeling that I'm of value to the tribe. When you've come to the end of an extensive off-road sojourn and are about to embark on many miles of pavement, it's a good idea to get off the bike and do a WD40 spritz-down on the drive system while inspecting it and the tire pressure (probable airing-up), rims, axle nuts, engine oil leaks, control and cable function and lube, steering alignment and fastener security. I'm off the bike and down there looking anyway, so this makes good use of the time spent there. Once the chain is clean or primed, an auto-oiler is useful for lubing it from there on through the rest of the trip. For all-road trips, it can become the nearly exclusive center piece of your chain care system. Chain drive systems require hands-on maintenance. For those who don't want to futz around with a chain at all can always get a Beemer shaftie......... The Mule

----- Original Message ----- From: "david gay" To: ; ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Scottoiler > In the time of wonderfully strong and o-ringed chains, you would need to be a pretty lazy Fu*k to lay out money on a Scottoiler. Just my .02 Dave A12 > > kdxkawboy@... wrote:In a message dated 2003-05-09 6:29:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > jarvisd@... writes: > > > > > Also, it kept the chain and rear sprocket very clean. But > > not the countershaft sprocket, so these would wear out > > quickly. The chain was worn so the rollers jingled like a > > charm bracelet, though the o-rings were in perfect shape, no > > tight links or other problems, and the rear sprocket was > > maybe 50% gone by 13,500mi. BUT I went through three > > countershaft sprockets in that time. If you stayed out of > > mud and sand this wouldn't be a problem. > > > > So, if I was setting up a KLR for 95-100% street usage I > > would re-install my scottoiler. Until I do that, lots of > > WD40 and the odd bit of chainsaw oil will do. > > > > Devon > > > > > > If you just stayed out of the sand and mud ... > > Thats why I haven't gotten to excited about the automatic chain oilers. I > spend enough time off pavement that the oiler is more hassle than its worth. > From the old days of dirt biking, there is one sure fire solution for one of > you mechanical geniuses to figure out. That would be the enclosed chain. Back > in the 60's and 70's most European Enduro bikes - dirt bikes with lights, > also came with enclosed chains. I've still got a few old magazines with > reviews of those bikes and the one thing they all said, chain life was > phenomenal. > > Pat > G'ville, Nv > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[westnash1]

I would like opinions on the Scottoiler as to how it works, ease of install, and the value of the product on the KLR. Thanks,

[Devon Jarvis]

Great for street use. Installed no problem, besides the instructions I found a web site where someone documented installing it on a KLR. I don't know where you'd put the big touring reservoir, so I just got the regular one. I took it off because the drip tube would come out when I backed up the bike in heavy brush. Also, after a good mud or sand ride, I would turn up the flow to clean the chain but it wouldn't clean the front sprocket. I went through three front sprockets in 13,500mi, but the stock chain and rear sprocket still had a couple thousand miles left. In 13,500mi my entire chain maintainance consisted of occasionally spraying the chain with a lot of WD40 and wiping it with a rag. Keep out of the sand and mud and you'll likely get a LOT of mileage out of a chain using the oiler. Devon A15 westnash1 wrote:

>I would like opinions on the Scottoiler as to how it works, ease of >install, and the value of the product on the KLR. > >Thanks, > > > >