it's the gage! it's the gage!

[revmaaatin]

The 91 octane faux-pa: Sounds like it could be an editorial problem, of cutting and pasting from one article into another, leaving behind some skewed facts. revmaaatin. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john" wrote:

> > It was from an article in Motorcycle Consumer News about the KLR. > This months issue. Like I said I've always used 87 and never a > problem, so just had to wonder where they got their information. > > John > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > Would you care to share with us this 'source' that suggest 91 > octane > > is required? Was it KHI or fu-bar the web-slinger? I don't

believe

> 91 > > octane is what the manual suggests (my manual is 117 miles from > > here....) > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john"

wrote:

> > > > > > Was reading some material today (I know dangerous) and came > across > > the > > > octane recommendation for the KLR. It stated 91 octane. I

have

> > always > > > used 87. Never pinged or seemed down on power and I get about

40

> > mpg > > > at highway speeds. What octane do most of y'all use?? > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > John > > > > > >

[traderpro2003]

I posted from my 2005 manual the excerpt that recommends 91 octane (RON method) in the Miscellaneous Information album. It makes sense considering the compression ratio. It's in the field, results will vary. I think some people are confusing octane levels/ratings with additives. These are not the same. No doubt gasolines need to be reformulated when mixed with additives like MTBE, but 91 octane is still 91 octane. I'm ready with the chemistry books whenever someone else is... Cheers - Brian

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > The 91 octane faux-pa: Sounds like it could be an editorial > problem, of cutting and pasting from one article into another, > leaving behind some skewed facts. > > revmaaatin. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john" > wrote: > > > > It was from an article in Motorcycle Consumer News about the KLR. > > This months issue. Like I said I've always used 87 and never a > > problem, so just had to wonder where they got their information. > > > > John > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > Hi John, > > > Would you care to share with us this 'source' that suggest 91 > > octane > > > is required? Was it KHI or fu-bar the web-slinger? I don't > believe > > 91 > > > octane is what the manual suggests (my manual is 117 miles from > > > here....) > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Was reading some material today (I know dangerous) and came > > across > > > the > > > > octane recommendation for the KLR. It stated 91 octane. I > have > > > always > > > > used 87. Never pinged or seemed down on power and I get about > 40 > > > mpg > > > > at highway speeds. What octane do most of y'all use?? > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

You can't make such a broad generalization about the compression ratio requiring the higher octane. There are many other factors, such as cam timing, cooling of engine (air or water, and how efficient), even size of bore of engine. Larger bore generally requires higher octane. Small bores less likely to detonate. My GSXR1000 has 12:1 compression, runs fine on 91 octane. It is the peak pressure that causes detonation. Jefff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

Umm we talking Apples and Oranges ? I think there are 2 methods of getting that little number on the pump, 1st is the "RON" method which typically has a higher number than the 2nd method which I forgot it name now. But hint the 2nd method is what most people see on the pump. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "traderpro2003" wrote:

> > I posted from my 2005 manual the excerpt that recommends 91 octane > (RON method) in the Miscellaneous Information album. It makes sense > considering the compression ratio. It's in the field, results will > vary. > > I think some people are confusing octane levels/ratings with > additives. These are not the same. No doubt gasolines need to be > reformulated when mixed with additives like MTBE, but 91 octane is > still 91 octane. I'm ready with the chemistry books whenever > someone else is... Cheers - Brian > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > The 91 octane faux-pa: Sounds like it could be an editorial > > problem, of cutting and pasting from one article into another, > > leaving behind some skewed facts. > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john" > > wrote: > > > > > > It was from an article in Motorcycle Consumer News about the > KLR. > > > This months issue. Like I said I've always used 87 and never a > > > problem, so just had to wonder where they got their information. > > > > > > John > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > Would you care to share with us this 'source' that suggest 91 > > > octane > > > > is required? Was it KHI or fu-bar the web-slinger? I don't > > believe > > > 91 > > > > octane is what the manual suggests (my manual is 117 miles > from > > > > here....) > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Was reading some material today (I know dangerous) and came > > > across > > > > the > > > > > octane recommendation for the KLR. It stated 91 octane. I > > have > > > > always > > > > > used 87. Never pinged or seemed down on power and I get > about > > 40 > > > > mpg > > > > > at highway speeds. What octane do most of y'all use?? > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[revmaaatin]

Hi Dooden, Apple and Oranges? Not me man, I got an IBM. I didn't know Oranges made computers.... Oh, you really mean apples and oranges...I get it, its a metaphor. revmaaatin. who would apologize for being blonde, but now it is all gray, well, what there is is gray.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > Umm we talking Apples and Oranges ? > > I think there are 2 methods of getting that little number on the pump, > 1st is the "RON" method which typically has a higher number than the > 2nd method which I forgot it name now. > > But hint the 2nd method is what most people see on the pump. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "traderpro2003" > wrote: > > > > I posted from my 2005 manual the excerpt that recommends 91 octane > > (RON method) in the Miscellaneous Information album. It makes sense > > considering the compression ratio. It's in the field, results will > > vary. > > > > I think some people are confusing octane levels/ratings with > > additives. These are not the same. No doubt gasolines need to be > > reformulated when mixed with additives like MTBE, but 91 octane is > > still 91 octane. I'm ready with the chemistry books whenever > > someone else is... Cheers - Brian > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > The 91 octane faux-pa: Sounds like it could be an editorial > > > problem, of cutting and pasting from one article into another, > > > leaving behind some skewed facts. > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It was from an article in Motorcycle Consumer News about the > > KLR. > > > > This months issue. Like I said I've always used 87 and never a > > > > problem, so just had to wonder where they got their information. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > Would you care to share with us this 'source' that suggest 91 > > > > octane > > > > > is required? Was it KHI or fu-bar the web-slinger? I don't > > > believe > > > > 91 > > > > > octane is what the manual suggests (my manual is 117 miles > > from > > > > > here....) > > > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "st1100john" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Was reading some material today (I know dangerous) and came > > > > across > > > > > the > > > > > > octane recommendation for the KLR. It stated 91 octane. I > > > have > > > > > always > > > > > > used 87. Never pinged or seemed down on power and I get > > about > > > 40 > > > > > mpg > > > > > > at highway speeds. What octane do most of y'all use?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote:

> > Umm we talking Apples and Oranges ? > > I think there are 2 methods of getting that little number on the pump, > 1st is the "RON" method which typically has a higher number than the > 2nd method which I forgot it name now. > > But hint the 2nd method is what most people see on the pump. >

There's "research" octane and "motor" octane. The number on the pump is RON+MON/2. The RON number is typically higher.

[dooden]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > > > Umm we talking Apples and Oranges ? > > > > I think there are 2 methods of getting that little number on the pump, > > 1st is the "RON" method which typically has a higher number than the > > 2nd method which I forgot it name now. > > > > But hint the 2nd method is what most people see on the pump. > > > > There's "research" octane and "motor" octane. The number on the pump

is RON+MON/2. The

> RON number is typically higher.

See I are not so dumb afterall.. Reckon I owe you a beer this time Jud, not expecting to make it to Enduraid this year, my Grandson has been coming for the summer months and just cant take off on the bike and leave him behind, not when he is wanting to go to camp and ride the 4 wheeler and stuff. Dooden A15 Green Ape

[traderpro2003]

Call Fred at Arrowhead MS 435-259-7356 and ask him about his digital one... Water Temperature Guage 20-4510 Digital readout $97.95 Compact in size & reads up to 212' F. or 99.9 C.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Layton" wrote: > > So after months of messing with the overtemp on my 2001 KLR650 and chasing > an out of spec gauge, I swapped a known good (and in-spec) gage from Marko's > 2006, and poof! No more overtemp! I couldn't get it to climb past mid way, > even after a long idle on a hot day. > > Now, I've ordered TWO different gauges - one from Ron Ayers, and one from > the local dealer - BOTH came in out of spec. The last one (from the dealer), > I had to hold their hand & show them the spec in the manual & how to check > it (after they already had their service department "check it" and declared > it good) > > So, good news & bad news: The bike is OK, but HOW do I go about getting a > good temp gauge that's actually in spec??? The dealer is re- ordering - and > I'll have them re-order until I get a good one OR I deplete the country's > supply & demand a refund. > > I've already tried to cheat & add a resistor in series to get the > measurements into spec, but DOH! It's the correct winding resistance that > produces the magnetic field to move the needle, not the resistance of a > dummy resistor added in series - besides, it doesn't draw any noticeable > current, so it didn't do a dang thing. > > SO - now it's off to hunt down good gauges! > > Jeff Layton >