--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "sbcglobal" wrote: > Hmmm.... > > Are you for or against Pit Bulls? > > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Ryder > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:10 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Ethics and Bad Name Re: Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (way NKLR) > > > Wouldn't want to disappoint: I agree that you should not waste time > reading my posts so move on now, k? I'll await proof that you don't > do what you say you will by replying at all. Can you possibly not? > > -Bill > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "DWakefield" > wrote: > > I don't think you are joking. Always the disclaimer comes after > the abuse. > > You can see the tone on this group and it's really pretty pervasive > isn't > > it? Why don't you find somewhere else - I've only got so many > heartbeats > > left and I don't want to waste them reading your posts. I look > forward to > > your abusive reply. > > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Bill Ryder > > Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 1:24 PM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Ethics and Bad Name Re: Re: I'd like louder > exhaust, > > no jetting. Impossible? (way NKLR) > > > > I have to say Mr. Mumford, that the tone and anger exhibited in > your post is > > far more objectionable than anything that may come out of my bike's > exhaust. > > You make me want to take the whole pipe off my bike and hold it at > 8000 RPMs > > next to your bedroom until I suck the valves through the motor. > > > > Freaken relax. And get the freak out of my technical thread for > the love of > > Pete!! Its all gone to pot and I'm very sad now! The most > offensive person > > ever to post, arguing against being offensive. You sir, are the > definition > > of hypocrisy. Muffle your pie hole first and strap some stock > exhaust on > > your freaken face. That might make a few people like motorcyclists > more. > > Forgive me but I need to go singe a forest with the KE100 I just > ripped the > > spark arrestor from in protest to your post. It doesn't go very > fast, but > > it'll cook an awful lot of wildlife for ya. Do you want a wing or > a leg? > > > > For the record, I'm just joking. Good lord man, in all > > seriousness...take some blood pressure meds. > > > > Other readers: as I am brand new to this group, is this guy's post > > considered acceptable? Being new and all I'm wishing I'll see > about 50 > > posts jumping all over this guy. Have I been trolled...or is this > person > > typical? (After all, a courtship goes two ways; we are > evaluating "each > > other."Maybe I should leave *now*. I didn't want to go there > but I see > > you have people here that might just tap into my dark side. > > > > I have to admit to you people that I have a problem; it's the first > step to > > re-recovery: I enjoy ripping up the less intellectually endowed who > are > > badly arguing ridiculous points of opinion. It's like a drug. On > some > > level it's like: "bring it ON oh loud mouth of greater capacity > than the > > aftermarket exhaust on my bike that you so despise! Prove why I > should not > > listen to you without my even having to answer you at all." Oh the > joy. > > Now I need rehab again. And I thought I had matured. 2 Freaken > days > > here...just 2 freaken days. > > haha > > > > > > -Bill > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Mumford" > > wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who > > don't even > > > > > >> know > > > > > >> you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your > > local > > > > > >> statutes, > > > > > >> in which case it's between you and law enforcement. > > > > > > Being a good example is one reason not to have loud pipes. No one > > ever gets > > > mad about a motorcycle that is too quiet. I like next to some (as > > yet) > > > undeveloped hills that get a few riders on them on the weekend, > and > > the only > > > thing that pisses me off is the noise. You have a quiet 4 stroke? > > Ride 'til > > > the wheels come off. You got some uncorked piece of crap, ruin my > > Sunday > > > nap, wake up my sleeping toddler, I find it hars to appreciate > that > > level of > > > selfishness and inconsiderate behavior. > > > > > > As far as "between you and law enforcement", that kind of chicken > > shit > > > reasoning is indicative of a lot that is wrong with contemporary > > society, in > > > my opinion. > > > If you are the least bit enlightened, legality is a non issue. I > > mean let's > > > face it, it's legal to do a lot of objectionable, offensive, > > antisocial > > > thing things, but who wants to be labeled an asshole? > > > And don't kid yourself, when some Hell's Accountant rides by and > > scares / > > > annoys / wakes up Joe Public, he is pissed at all riders, not just > > the twerp > > > with the pipes. > > > You make us all look bad. > > > Knock it off. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock > > system and > > > > > >> will > > > > > >> probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near > > future > > > > > >> because > > > > > >> yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics > may > > not > > > > > >> support > > > > > >> it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, > a > > louder > > > > > >> exhaust > > > > > >> provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who > > would > > > > > >> change > > > > > >> lanes into me that they better look around a little more > > thoroughly > > > > > >> before > > > > > >> doing it. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - > > > > > >> Kip > > > > > >> Eugene, OR > > > > > > > > > This is 100% pure unadulterated BS. > > > For the love of Jesus, I hope no one is foolish enough to really > > believe the > > > above paragraph. > > > > > > "Statistics may not support it". Indeed. BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE! > > > On what do you base this idiotic conclusion then? > > > A Ouija board? The voices in your head? > > > > > > If you are counting on your pipes to give you some safety, you are > > out of > > > your mind. > > > Riding safety comes from good riding. PERIOD. > > > > > > I try to be a dynamic rider, in command of whatever situation I > > find myslef > > > in at any given time. > > > Master of the ride, rather than victim of it. > > > If you need to make noise on your bike, get a loud horn. > > > Go take the MSF course. > > > > > > Thanks > > > CA Stu > > > > > > > > > PS "I believe that there is a line of practicality to cross. At > > some point, > > > an > > > exhaust is excessively loud for little apparent purpose than to > > annoy. On > > > the other hand, just wait until you almost get run over in the > local > > > Wal-mart parking lot stepping out in front of a Prius that you > > didn't hear. > > > Quiet can be dangerous - and when it is my life versus a little > > annoyance > > > from the cage driving public, I'm gonna go the selfish non-PC > > route. We so > > > often hear 'I never saw him'. At least if they hear you, you have > > more of a > > > chance." > > > > > > Are you on dope? This illogical, ridiculous post makes me want to > > laugh. > > > > > > I look both ways before I cross the road, I don't listen to see if > > a car is > > > coming. Jesus! > > > > > > PPS You never hear "I never heard him". > > > > > > Noise isn't power. > > > If there was a device that could make my bikes silent, I'd buy it. > > > I'll bet amongst most motorcycle enthusiasts, my point of view is > > supported. > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
sighted:klr on brp near roanoke...
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Bill Ryder
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Not sure I see the relavance, but me personally I'm one for holding
dog owners accountable for whatever their dogs do as if it was they
themsleves doing it. I'm not for disallowing any specific breed.
But I think if a pitbull attacks someone the owner should be tried
for assult, or manslaughter as the case may be.
You?
-Bill
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Bill Ryder
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Okay but if Harley is "none of the time," how far down on the list is
KLR650? More to the point put it this way: if you wanted to be looked
at as a primary goal, would you buy a KLR or a Harley? Sure, you'd get
the chick in the Ferrari first...but Mike let's face it, before you get
anything you have to have the means first. 
I'm sure some of the
quiet-pipe guys could get the Ferrari.
-Bill
I'm sure some of the
quiet-pipe guys could get the Ferrari.
-Bill
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Frey wrote: > > Bill Ryder wrote: > > >I would have bought a GSXR or a Harley instead of a KLR (Harley > >not because they are loud, but because like it or not, there is a > >stigma attached and people do look at Harleys the way they would a > >Ferrari or a Corvette passing by) > > > As they pass by, I'll look at a... > Ferrari: every time > Corvette: some of the time > Harley-Davidson: none of the time > Cute woman with nice legs: every time > Cute woman driving a Ferrari: too busy rolling my tongue back up
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Definition of Annoying:
.....,its what YOU do over and over. Drivel.
Jim A17
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Steve Green
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In the words of Louis Smalley:
"The Nile is not just a river in Egypt."
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Ryder" wrote: > Well, I just plain disagree with you on the reason behind wanting a > bike louder. I like the sound of a louder motorcycle. *I* like it. > It's my preference, like I like black cars instead of red or green. > I don't want the black car because someone else will like it. It's > what *I* like. It goes along with the whole experience in my opinion
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klr6501995
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good reply ya wrote, stick around on the list. Even at's it's worst
it is still civilized. And this was far from it's worst.
and I'm a quite piper but run a super trap .
I'd like a stocker but the trapp is ok. I sometimes have others ride
it to judge formyself. On the other hand I do gett pissed at at cars
and bikes that wake me up at 4 am when I'm supposed to sleep till 5am.
I reckon for woods riding I'm a fan of quiet . No need making eco
nazis madder .
I'm extra careful in the am going to work.
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Ryder" wrote: > As someone who's only been in this group for a couple days, I have to > say that I think its been pretty much 50/50. The anti-loud guys seem > to me to #1) be really pissed off and angry people. #2) not very > tolerant of those with opposing opinions. #3) all seem to run > aftermarket pipes anyhow, even while they moan about loud pipes. > #4) ...and ironically, are much much *louder* and offensive, within the > list if not on their bikes. But I've not seen evidence that they are > the clear majority nor do not feel anything close to alone. > > #1 through 4 are my observations, like it or not, as a total newbie to > this list. The very first sentence I wrote was "I'm a newbie in the > group so be gentle.
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klr6501995
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good reply ya wrote, stick around on the list. Even at's it's worst
it is still civilized. And this was far from it's worst.
and I'm a quite piper but run a super trap .
I'd like a stocker but the trapp is ok. I sometimes have others ride
it to judge formyself. On the other hand I do gett pissed at at cars
and bikes that wake me up at 4 am when I'm supposed to sleep till 5am.
I reckon for woods riding I'm a fan of quiet . No need making eco
nazis madder .
I'm extra careful in the am going to work.
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Ryder" wrote: > As someone who's only been in this group for a couple days, I have to > say that I think its been pretty much 50/50. The anti-loud guys seem > to me to #1) be really pissed off and angry people. #2) not very > tolerant of those with opposing opinions. #3) all seem to run > aftermarket pipes anyhow, even while they moan about loud pipes. > #4) ...and ironically, are much much *louder* and offensive, within the > list if not on their bikes. But I've not seen evidence that they are > the clear majority nor do not feel anything close to alone. > > #1 through 4 are my observations, like it or not, as a total newbie to > this list. The very first sentence I wrote was "I'm a newbie in the > group so be gentle.
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Newbie to this group, yep. Why?
-Bill
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley
wrote:
> Bill, > Back in the beginning of this, didn't you say you are a newbie ? > > Rick A17 > > Bill Ryder wrote: > Not sure I see the relavance, but me personally I'm one for holding > dog owners accountable for whatever their dogs do as if it was they > themsleves doing it. I'm not for disallowing any specific breed. > But I think if a pitbull attacks someone the owner should be tried > for assult, or manslaughter as the case may be. > > You? > > -Bill > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Bill Ryder
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Now what was the point of this post? In your..."mind"...was there
anything good that might come out of bothering to reply to me?
Really...
-Bill
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote: > Definition of Annoying: > > .....,its what YOU do over and over. Drivel. > > > > Jim A17
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Bill Ryder
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Well I mean, you are trying to be so...but in reality I don't think
you are far from my position based on what you say. My point
was...if you want to be looked at because you have a big ego, you
don't go buy a KLR650. You buy an MV Augusta F4 (or whatever
else...but not a KLR650).
I would look at the MV on the way by. I don't live far from Fast by
Ferraci (North East importer for MV, Ducati, others) and I'm up there
all the time. I wouldn't mind having a Brutale Serie Oro myself some
day. Also looked at a Multistrada before my KLR. Mainly I picked
the KLR as I'm increasing my ride time on the road with this bike
purchase and wanted not to worry about dropping $12k+ on the tarmac
while I get some miles under my belt.
-Bill
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Frey wrote: > On my personal list? If I spot a KLR, my neck swivels the whole way > around as it passes by. I'll even wave, even if I'm not on mine. > Therefore, it's "every time". > > "If I wanted to be looked at" .... I DON'T want to be looked at, except > by other drivers / riders who know exactly what they are seeing. I'd > take the KLR over a H-D any day, but if I wanted to spend that much > money, I'd get an MV Augusta F4. Oops, I just spent even more money than > most H-Ds cost. And, I probably won't be looked at, except by > motorcyclists who recognize what it is. > > > > > Bill Ryder wrote: > > >Okay but if Harley is "none of the time," how far down on the list is > >KLR650? More to the point put it this way: if you wanted to be looked > >at as a primary goal, would you buy a KLR or a Harley? Sure, you'd get > >the chick in the Ferrari first...but Mike let's face it, before you get > >anything you have to have the means first.
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Oh I'd be real suprized if there wasn't a whole list of stuff quite-
exhaust guys wish the world wouldn't do. Me, as long as I can get 8
hours of sleep at night and no one is causing me physical pain or
heath problems by what they are doing, I tend to live and let live.
I'm bothered all the time by what people do, but the minute I try to
control them based on what I want...I realize it gives them the
morale justification to start controlling every little thing I do.
If you want to be free, you have to let others be free in my
opinion. One man's freedom is another man's pain in the ***. What
kind of world do we want to live in really?
So what's been your finding so far between the earlier thread and
this one? Any conclusions?
-Bill
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "sbcglobal" wrote: > Statistical analysis only. Interested in finding out if there's any correlation between KLR posters who like/don't like loud exhaust and those who like/don't like pit bulls. Goes back to an earlier thread that was carried with as much enthusiasm as this one. > > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Ryder > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:19 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Ethics and Bad Name Re: Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (way NKLR) > > > Not sure I see the relavance, but me personally I'm one for holding > dog owners accountable for whatever their dogs do as if it was they > themsleves doing it. I'm not for disallowing any specific breed. > But I think if a pitbull attacks someone the owner should be tried > for assult, or manslaughter as the case may be. > > You? > > -Bill > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "sbcglobal" wrote: > > Hmmm.... > > > > Are you for or against Pit Bulls? > > > > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Ryder > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:10 AM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Ethics and Bad Name Re: Re: I'd like louder > exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (way NKLR) > > > > > > Wouldn't want to disappoint: I agree that you should not waste > time > > reading my posts so move on now, k? I'll await proof that you > don't > > do what you say you will by replying at all. Can you possibly > not? > > > > -Bill > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "DWakefield" > > wrote: > > > I don't think you are joking. Always the disclaimer comes > after > > the abuse. > > > You can see the tone on this group and it's really pretty > pervasive > > isn't > > > it? Why don't you find somewhere else - I've only got so many > > heartbeats > > > left and I don't want to waste them reading your posts. I > look > > forward to > > > your abusive reply. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Bill Ryder > > > Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 1:24 PM > > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Ethics and Bad Name Re: Re: I'd like > louder > > exhaust, > > > no jetting. Impossible? (way NKLR) > > > > > > I have to say Mr. Mumford, that the tone and anger exhibited in > > your post is > > > far more objectionable than anything that may come out of my > bike's > > exhaust. > > > You make me want to take the whole pipe off my bike and hold it > at > > 8000 RPMs > > > next to your bedroom until I suck the valves through the motor. > > > > > > Freaken relax. And get the freak out of my technical thread > for > > the love of > > > Pete!! Its all gone to pot and I'm very sad now! The most > > offensive person > > > ever to post, arguing against being offensive. You sir, are > the > > definition > > > of hypocrisy. Muffle your pie hole first and strap some stock > > exhaust on > > > your freaken face. That might make a few people like > motorcyclists > > more. > > > Forgive me but I need to go singe a forest with the KE100 I > just > > ripped the > > > spark arrestor from in protest to your post. It doesn't go > very > > fast, but > > > it'll cook an awful lot of wildlife for ya. Do you want a wing > or > > a leg? > > > > > > For the record, I'm just joking. Good lord man, in all > > > seriousness...take some blood pressure meds. > > > > > > Other readers: as I am brand new to this group, is this guy's > post > > > considered acceptable? Being new and all I'm wishing I'll see > > about 50 > > > posts jumping all over this guy. Have I been trolled...or is > this > > person > > > typical? (After all, a courtship goes two ways; we are > > evaluating "each > > > other."
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