nklr: knee injury

[thesquasher@hotmail.com]

Yes. I like to keep my oil above the sight glass window. On a 500 mile trip I used up 1/2 quart of oil. If I started out with the oil somewhere in the sight glass I may have run out of oil (my opinion). I also have found that any oil lighter then 20w-50 gets used up faster.

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Brad Davis" wrote: > > When I add 2qts 20oz to my 95 klr650 the level comes up ever so > slightly above the site window. This is with the bike held vertical > and not leaning on the kickstand. Is this what other people see? > Brad

[Brad Davis]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., wrote:

> Brad, > Hello!?! No, that is not at all what I see. When I fill my

crankcase with 2.5 liters on my '98 KLR650 after draining the case, removing the oil filter, and draining the little tube below the oil filter, the fresh oil passes the top of the sight glass with about 10 oz. yet to go to put the full 2.5 liters in.

> Tell us about your draining and filling procedure in

exquisite detail, please!

> -- Marc, KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA

Marc, Ok. Next time I change my oil I will make notes on waht I see and post them.

[Brad Davis]

Marc, Changed my oil last night on my A9 and this is what I did/saw: 1) Position bike so that it is level. 2) Drain warm oil for a few hours. 3) Remove filter and install new one. 4) Add 2qts 16oz (2.4liters). 5) Run engine for a few minutes and let oil drain back to sump for an hour. 6) Oil level is slightly above the site glass. Adding the extra .1 liter to make it 2.5 would make it above the glass. The site glass position is correct on my bike. Brad --- marcclarke@... wrote:

> Great. Thank you. > -- Marc, KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA > >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., wrote: > >> Brad, > >> Hello!?! No, that is not at all what I see. > When I fill my > >crankcase with 2.5 liters on my '98 KLR650 after > draining the case, > >removing the oil filter, and draining the little > tube below the oil > >filter, the fresh oil passes the top of the sight > glass with about 10 > >oz. yet to go to put the full 2.5 liters in. > >> Tell us about your draining and filling > procedure in > >exquisite detail, please! > >> -- Marc, KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA > > > >Marc, > >Ok. Next time I change my oil I will make notes on > waht I see and > >post them.

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[marcclarke@unforgettable.com]

Brad, Very, very, very interesting. I do not run the engine after adding oil and before checking theoil level in the sight glass. I have only observed that after I add 2.5 liters the oil level is always above the top of the sight glass. I will try your method. Thanks. -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA ----Original Message-----

>From: Brad Davis >To: marcclarke@...; KLR DSN List DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: Oil amount? >Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:43 > >Marc, >Changed my oil last night on my A9 and this is what I >did/saw: > >1) Position bike so that it is level. >2) Drain warm oil for a few hours. >3) Remove filter and install new one. >4) Add 2qts 16oz (2.4liters). >5) Run engine for a few minutes and let oil drain back >to sump for an hour. >6) Oil level is slightly above the site glass. Adding >the extra .1 liter to make it 2.5 would make it above >the glass. > >The site glass position is correct on my bike. > >Brad > >--- marcclarke@... wrote: >> Great. Thank you. >> -- Marc, KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA >> >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., wrote: >> >> Brad, >> >> Hello!?! No, that is not at all what I see. >> When I fill my >> >crankcase with 2.5 liters on my '98 KLR650 after >> draining the case, >> >removing the oil filter, and draining the little >> tube below the oil >> >filter, the fresh oil passes the top of the sight >> glass with about 10 >> >oz. yet to go to put the full 2.5 liters in. >> >> Tell us about your draining and filling >> procedure in >> >exquisite detail, please! >> >> -- Marc, KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA >> > >> >Marc, >> >Ok. Next time I change my oil I will make notes on >> waht I see and >> >post them. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > >Checkout Dual Sport News at >http://www.dualsportnews.com >Be part of the Adventure! > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[marcclarke@unforgettable.com]

Brad, The more I think about your excellent report on your oil adding procedure the more questions I start to ask. Since I add oil and watch the sight glass as I fill the crankcase, that implies that as you added your 2.4 liters you (too) saw the oil level go above the sight glass as you were adding oil (but before you ran the engine), correct? That also implies that by running your engine and letting it drain (with the oil filter installed) you were keeping some oil in the oil filter and in the upper engine (probably), correct? As you were adding oil to the crankcase prior to running the engine, how much oil had you added when the oil reached the top of the sight glass? If my suspicion that there is a significant quantity of oil held in the filter and the upper portions of the engine after you ran the engine is correct, that implies that the folk who add oil until the oil level reaches the top of the sight glass and stop are not adding enough oil to their crankcase. Your thoughts? -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA ----Original Message-----

>From: Brad Davis >To: marcclarke@...; KLR DSN List DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: Oil amount? >Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:43 > >Marc, >Changed my oil last night on my A9 and this is what I >did/saw: > >1) Position bike so that it is level. >2) Drain warm oil for a few hours. >3) Remove filter and install new one. >4) Add 2qts 16oz (2.4liters). >5) Run engine for a few minutes and let oil drain back >to sump for an hour. >6) Oil level is slightly above the site glass. Adding >the extra .1 liter to make it 2.5 would make it above >the glass. > >The site glass position is correct on my bike. > >Brad >

[Brad Davis]

> Brad, > The more I think about your excellent report on > your oil adding procedure the more questions I start > to ask. Since I add oil and watch the sight glass > as I fill the crankcase, that implies that as you > added your 2.4 liters you (too) saw the oil level go > above the sight glass as you were adding oil (but > before you ran the engine), correct?

Yes, it went above the site glass while filling.

> That also > implies that by running your engine and letting it > drain (with the oil filter installed) you were > keeping some oil in the oil filter and in the upper > engine (probably), correct?

I have noticed that the oil filter is always empty when I replace it. I guess the only oil held in the filter is what it takes to soak it. And then there is some oil in the routing tubing etc I guess. Do other people see that their oil filter cavity is empty (except for some residual oil of course)?

> As you were adding oil to the crankcase prior to > running the engine, how much oil had you added when > the oil reached the top of the sight glass?

When I added 2qt 16oz the level was slightly above the site glass. Maybe 1/4", I am not sure. After running the engine and waiting, the oil was only slightly less than it was before.

> If my suspicion that there is a significant > quantity of oil held in the filter and the upper > portions of the engine after you ran the engine is > correct, that implies that the folk who add oil > until the oil level reaches the top of the sight > glass and stop are not adding enough oil to their > crankcase. Your thoughts?

As long as you run the engine for a while and then make sure it is at the top of the siteglass, I think you are OK.

> > -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado,

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[Devon Jarvis]

On every bike (and car for that matter) that I have changed oil on, either you fill the crankcase with the specified quantity of oil and there you go, OR you fill to the top line on the window (or dipstick), run the motor for one or two minutes to fill the filter, then check the oil again and top up. Either way you end up with enough oil. If the window on the KLR isn't accurate, it's not off by too much. People who use 2.5l and ignore the window aren't burning oil or puking it up into the airbox, and people who just use the sightglass aren't blowing up motors. Devon A15 marcclarke@... wrote:

> > Brad,

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> If my suspicion that there is a significant quantity of oil held in the filter and the upper portions of the engine after you ran the engine is correct, that implies that the folk who add oil until the oil level reaches the top of the sight glass and stop are not adding enough oil to their crankcase. Your thoughts? > > -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA > > ----Original Message----- > >From: Brad Davis > >To: marcclarke@...; KLR DSN List DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: Oil amount? > >Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 08:43 > > > >Marc, > >Changed my oil last night on my A9 and this is what I > >did/saw: > > > >1) Position bike so that it is level. > >2) Drain warm oil for a few hours. > >3) Remove filter and install new one. > >4) Add 2qts 16oz (2.4liters). > >5) Run engine for a few minutes and let oil drain back > >to sump for an hour. > >6) Oil level is slightly above the site glass. Adding > >the extra .1 liter to make it 2.5 would make it above > >the glass. > > > >The site glass position is correct on my bike. > > > >Brad > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Brad Davis]

I agree with Devon. Brad

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote: > On every bike (and car for that matter) that I have changed oil on, > either you fill the crankcase with the specified quantity of oil and > there you go, OR you fill to the top line on the window (or dipstick), > run the motor for one or two minutes to fill the filter, then check the > oil again and top up. Either way you end up with enough oil. > > If the window on the KLR isn't accurate, it's not off by too much. > People who use 2.5l and ignore the window aren't burning oil or puking > it up into the airbox, and people who just use the sightglass aren't > blowing up motors. > > Devon > A15

[jonathan.sykes@ps.ge.com]

Dunno why there's such a debate on this. 2.2l, 2.3l, who cares. As long as the oil level's somewhere in the sight window when you're done, you're okay. Right? When I change my oil I turn the engine over just a little with the starter them immedietely kill it with the kill switch. I reckon this gets a little bit more of the old oil out of the engine.

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--- In DSN_klr650@y..., AMA585601@a... wrote:

> > Mark, > > Very sorry to hear of your nasty mishap. > I hope you will heal quickly and without lasting problems. Take

care of yourself, heal, and then we'll see you back on the road.

>

ON the road?...ON the road????...I've already been off-road with this man. Mark's almost as crazy as me!!!!!!! dat brooklyn bum