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[Brad Davis]

A good marksman can take a deer if necessary with a 22 lr. --- Tengai650 wrote:

> At 11:54 PM +0000 7/6/01, Brad Davis wrote: > >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., k650dsn@a... wrote: > >> I know many on this list (myself included) prefer > to travel with a > >> handgun, but here is a neat alternative. > >> > >> http://www.henryrepeating.com/survival.html > >> > >> > >> Gino > > > >Too bad they don't make it in stainless. check this > one out: > >http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfLoading22wClipMag/70PSS.htm > >Not as compact perhaps, but it is SS. > > Nah... to bad they don't make them in a .22 magnum. > A metal-jacketed hollow point .22 mag +V is better > suited for > bare-minimum survival in my opinion.... unless the > definition of > survival has changed to "eating squirrel until the > rescue plane > arrives". > Mark > B2 > A2 > A3

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[Harry Thames]

> A good marksman can take a deer if necessary with a 22 > lr.

A starving man with a broken leg and poor eye sight can take a deer with a 12 gauge shot gun and would have a pretty good chance of defending himself also. You may compromise on your motorcycle but you should always use enough gun. Harry Thames South Carolina

[Dan Oaks]

Brad Davis wrote:

> A good marksman can take a deer if necessary with a 22 > lr. >

Sirhan Sirhan (SP?) took a Kennedy with a 22LR. Reagan was damn near killed by a poorly aimed 22LR. Brady was turned into a vegetable by the same 22LR. It always amazes me the logic that gun marketers use to sell big caliper guns. I have many guns of various size and description, but I put thousands of rounds each year through the 22's. They're the ones I'd rely on in a pinch. I can drive nails with them, and I can easily carry several hundred rounds. -- bierdo

[Swede]

I carry a .45 to "shoot to stop" not "shoot to kill" the two-legged varmints, but there isn't a whole lot anyone says about the blender effect of a .22LR. Once it penetrates, it ricoches (sp?) off of bone matter and can be quite effective at making multiple internal wounds. "Swede" --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Dan Oaks wrote: > > > Brad Davis wrote: > > > A good marksman can take a deer if necessary with a 22 > > lr. > > > > Sirhan Sirhan (SP?) took a Kennedy with a 22LR. Reagan was damn near killed > by a poorly aimed 22LR. Brady was turned into a vegetable by the same 22LR. > > It always amazes me the logic that gun marketers use to sell big caliper > guns. > > I have many guns of various size and description, but I put thousands of > rounds each year through the 22's. They're the ones I'd rely on in a pinch. > I can drive nails with them, and I can easily carry several hundred rounds. > > -- > bierdo

[RM]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Dan Oaks wrote:

>Sirhan Sirhan (SP?) took a Kennedy with a 22LR. Reagan was damn near >killed by a poorly aimed 22LR. Brady was turned into a vegetable by the >same 22LR. >It always amazes me the logic that gun marketers use to sell big caliper >guns.

Yup. Shot placement. Shot placement. Shot placement. RM

[Dan Barney]

> Shot placement. > > RM

Important stuff here - I used to spend a great deal of time having the caliber discussion when I worked at the JFK special warfare center "Close Quarters Combat Course" - with the FBI guys yapping about the 10mm for "stopping power" vs. the 9mm for extended mags, or the SEALS or ForceRecon guys wanting the old .45 vs. the 9mm Beretta - ad infinitum. It really makes no difference at all if you can't hit your target. Many, many thousands of rounds later I am quite comfortable in my skill, and quite scared that there are a lot of folks out there with all kinds of guns in a variety of ugly sizes that can't hit shit (but they all assume they can...). Dan Barney - 1/10 Special Forces Group (Abn) - Taking cover here in the springs...

[Tom Simpson]

At 01:35 PM 7/8/01 -0600, Dan Barney wrote:

> > Shot placement. > > > > RM >Important stuff here - I used to spend a great deal of time having the >caliber discussion when I worked at the JFK special warfare center "Close >Quarters Combat Course" - with the FBI guys yapping about the 10mm for >"stopping power" vs. the 9mm for extended mags, or the SEALS or ForceRecon >guys wanting the old .45 vs. the 9mm Beretta - ad infinitum. It really >makes no difference at all if you can't hit your target. Many, many >thousands of rounds later I am quite comfortable in my skill, and quite >scared that there are a lot of folks out there with all kinds of guns in a >variety of ugly sizes that can't hit shit (but they all assume they can...). >Dan Barney - 1/10 Special Forces Group (Abn) - Taking cover here in the >springs...

Very true: shot placement Uber Alles. However, the little bit bigger hole and additional horsepower is more forgiving of less-than-perfect shot placement, which occurs in the real world. My vote for Most Efficient Cartridge: .22 Magnum RF. I know several guys that hunt deer with them here in SC. While not quite legal, they have proven to be quite instantly lethal when applied to a deers skull. -Tom '96 KLR 650 '92 Smith and Wesson M65 3" RB .357 Mag (my preferred "bike" pistol) '43 Long Branch No. 4 Mk.III* 16" bbl Cal. .303 w/ folding stock (in development)

[glenn@xmission.com]

How about a "Gun Sight" or "Thunder Ranch" style training class at the next rally? Glenn (Lots of room for shooting improvement)

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Dan Barney" wrote: > > Shot placement. > > > > RM > Important stuff here - I used to spend a great deal of time having the > caliber discussion when I worked at the JFK special warfare center "Close > Quarters Combat Course" - with the FBI guys yapping about the 10mm for > "stopping power" vs. the 9mm for extended mags, or the SEALS or ForceRecon > guys wanting the old .45 vs. the 9mm Beretta - ad infinitum. It really > makes no difference at all if you can't hit your target. Many, many > thousands of rounds later I am quite comfortable in my skill, and quite > scared that there are a lot of folks out there with all kinds of guns in a > variety of ugly sizes that can't hit shit (but they all assume they can...). > Dan Barney - 1/10 Special Forces Group (Abn) - Taking cover here in the > springs...

[Swede]

Need to have a motorcycle/firearms competition. "Swede" --- In DSN_klr650@y..., glenn@x wrote: > How about a "Gun Sight" or "Thunder Ranch" style training class at > the next rally? > > Glenn (Lots of room for shooting improvement)

[Harry Thames]

> > "Swede" handed shooting technique. >

Use your throttle lock and shoot using the Weaver stance. Harry Thames Survivor