Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

[Charlie's BatCave]

Greg's message came thru it's the very last paragraph.....

Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet

----- Original Message -----
From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Robot Builders"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 7:37:38 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Greg, I think your message didn't come through. Just Charlie's earlier response.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Greg b9greg@rap.midco.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 7:16 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side


















Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....



MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was
for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but
when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul
Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.



The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse
engineered.



The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by
MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9
Ceations by Kevin Burns.



The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2
Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.



All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter
boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff
and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.


THE FOLLOWING IS GREG'S REPLY.........................



For what's it worth - here is the inside information from a former
employee of B9Creations. When Mike got the rights to do the robot
- him and Craig went to see Kevin Burns and at that time - Kevin
showed them stuff that he had from the robot. It was from this
parts that Mike designed the Replica parts.



Mike does not owed any of the original robots.



Later,



Greg

[Marc Chabot]

The original stone molds Mike was given access from were from what I understand rather fragile after a half century, so a master cast or "plug" was made from those fragile original molds, cleaned up where the cracks in the original molds

would have left distortions or losses in the casts, and then new production molds were made from the new plugs taken from the old fragile original molds. It was these new molds which were used for Mike J's replica torsos which Craig now

sells, and I believe, for Will Huff's legs & arms, since he supplied them for Mike's replicas before he started supplying the club. MIke was also supplied access to original patterns and molds for other parts as well I believe, as he said to me

but he would be the last word on it all. There are still parts of the hero which are difficult to see and therefore difficult to accurately reproduce. Seeing and measuring the hero would be the holy grail, of course, but close study of the very best

photographic evidence we can get our hands on is very helpful.

Marc

[dar19904]

Craig never ages!

[Jeff DeRose]

Clearly a vampire. We'll need to deal with that sooner or later...

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 26, 2016, at 6:05 AM, "dar19904@yahoo.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

 
Craig never ages!

[Marc Chabot]

Hi Craig,


It was really great to reconnect with you and everyone else at Chiller, and I appreciate your confidence in me to tell the story of our hero for the club.

I do enjoy writing and research, my own business (buying and selling original fine prints & other works on paper) curating, teaching & lecturing would

suggest I could put it together (over time) with enormous help from the right people. My business has to come first, but this can happen over time, and

would be a great boon to both the club and the legacy of Lost in Space and the design & character of the B9 Robot. That he has become a cultural icon

is a testament to his universal appeal. But then B9'ers have always been hip to that! I must start by correcting my most recent error: I mistakenly said Will

Huff was using Mike's instead of his own production molds for the legs. This is an example of how easy it is to repeat wrong information which often

becomes accepted truth. This is WHY we do need a work in progress history of the prop. Frederick Hodges would be an excellent collaborator in this regard.

Though Fred & I have not spoken in some years we did both attend the evening in honor of Robert Kinoshita at the Hollywood Heritage Museum back in

the early 2000's. Dates & details get fuzzy over time. Another important reason to get this all vetted in writing. Regardless, we know that some information

maybe considered proprietary and permission must always be explicitly asked and granted as personal privacy, trust, and business relationships could be

put at risk. Those of you in the club who remember the threat of legal action on copyright infringement regarding our hobby know we don't wish to upset

Kevin, Space Productions, the Allen estate or 20th Century Fox. This is why we don't have all the information in the first place from Kevin Burns or from

Greg Jein, who knew the hero, stunt & other major props from the show inside & out. So, with that caveat, l will at least declare an intention to work on this

over time, and I welcome ideas and helpful information from anyone on the list towards that end. Remember, any accurate replica will have to have an

ashtray inside... !



Marc

[warpig2011]

I think more android or cybernetic construct.

[David Schulpius]

This is awesome news Marc. If you're able to do this it would be the crowning jewel of our website and possibly the most visited area. Thanks for the offer. I'm really excited about this.
Dave Schulpius
Hi Craig,

It was really great to reconnect with you and everyone else at Chiller, and I appreciate your confidence in me to tell the story of our hero for the club.

I do enjoy writing and research, my own business (buying and selling original fine prints & other works on paper) curating, teaching & lecturing would

suggest I could put it together (over time) with enormous help from the right people. My business has to come first, but this can happen over time, and

would be a great boon to both the club and the legacy of Lost in Space and the design & character of the B9 Robot. That he has become a cultural icon

is a testament to his universal appeal. But then B9'ers have always been hip to that! I must start by correcting my most recent error: I mistakenly said Will

Huff was using Mike's instead of his own production molds for the legs. This is an example of how easy it is to repeat wrong information which often

becomes accepted truth. This is WHY we do need a work in progress history of the prop. Frederick Hodges would be an excellent collaborator in this regard.

Though Fred & I have not spoken in some years we did both attend the evening in honor of Robert Kinoshita at the Hollywood Heritage Museum back in

the early 2000's. Dates & details get fuzzy over time. Another important reason to get this all vetted in writing. Regardless, we know that some information

maybe considered proprietary and permission must always be explicitly asked and granted as personal privacy, trust, and business relationships could be

put at risk. Those of you in the club who remember the threat of legal action on copyright infringement regarding our hobby know we don't wish to upset

Kevin, Space Productions, the Allen estate or 20th Century Fox. This is why we don't have all the information in the first place from Kevin Burns or from

Greg Jein, who knew the hero, stunt & other major props from the show inside & out. So, with that caveat, l will at least declare an intention to work on this

over time, and I welcome ideas and helpful information from anyone on the list towards that end. Remember, any accurate replica will have to have an

ashtray inside... !

Marc

[Philip Hamilton]

Marc - it would be great if we had the definitive history of both the HERO and STUNT.
I attended the Son of Famous Monsters Convention in 1995.  It was there I first met Bob May who was signing autographs and had what "he said" was the Robot from Lost in Space.   I've come to believe that what I saw was the DUPLICATE HERO - not the "real" one.  This was owned by Kevin Burns I think - who by the way was also at the show and hanging around Al Lewis from The Munsters.    It is likely that Kevin brought along that duplicate to the show for Bob - this of course before Robot builders. But, I don't know for sure.
 --phil


From: "David Schulpius dschulpius@wi.rr.com [B9Builders]"
To: "Tobor001@aol.com [B9Builders]"
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  This is awesome news Marc. If you're able to do this it would be the crowning jewel of our website and possibly the most visited area. Thanks for the offer. I'm really excited about this.
Dave Schulpius   Hi Craig,

It was really great to reconnect with you and everyone else at Chiller, and I appreciate your confidence in me to tell the story of our hero for the club.

I do enjoy writing and research, my own business (buying and selling original fine prints & other works on paper) curating, teaching & lecturing would

suggest I could put it together (over time) with enormous help from the right people. My business has to come first, but this can happen over time, and

would be a great boon to both the club and the legacy of Lost in Space and the design & character of the B9 Robot. That he has become a cultural icon

is a testament to his universal appeal. But then B9'ers have always been hip to that! I must start by correcting my most recent error: I mistakenly said Will

Huff was using Mike's instead of his own production molds for the legs. This is an example of how easy it is to repeat wrong information which often

becomes accepted truth. This is WHY we do need a work in progress history of the prop. Frederick Hodges would be an excellent collaborator in this regard.

Though Fred & I have not spoken in some years we did both attend the evening in honor of Robert Kinoshita at the Hollywood Heritage Museum back in

the early 2000's. Dates & details get fuzzy over time. Another important reason to get this all vetted in writing. Regardless, we know that some information

maybe considered proprietary and permission must always be explicitly asked and granted as personal privacy, trust, and business relationships could be

put at risk. Those of you in the club who remember the threat of legal action on copyright infringement regarding our hobby know we don't wish to upset

Kevin, Space Productions, the Allen estate or 20th Century Fox. This is why we don't have all the information in the first place from Kevin Burns or from

Greg Jein, who knew the hero, stunt & other major props from the show inside & out. So, with that caveat, l will at least declare an intention to work on this

over time, and I welcome ideas and helpful information from anyone on the list towards that end. Remember, any accurate replica will have to have an

ashtray inside... !

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[warpig2011]

This kind of goes with the thread...

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[sjb0459]

I'm in complete agreement.  This would be a very important aspect of the website, I just love reading the history side of our friend.
Steve