Re: V2 Collar and Radar Section

[sjb0459]

Really concise and clear info Craig.  Many thanks for sharing.
Steve

[David Schulpius]

Craig, thanks for the details. I know we've been through this a couple times already since you released your V2 Torso version. What do you say to the idea of placing this very detailed information you just offered us along with pictures of your v2 torso on the Information page at our B9 Builders website? Perhaps I could also add these details on your vendor page under the section where you sell the V2 Torso? Let me know your thoughts ,
Dave Schulpius

On Sep 30, 2015 2:01 AM, "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]" wrote:
Really concise and clear info Craig. Many thanks for sharing.
Steve

[David Schulpius]

The information page I was talking about is the "Who Made That Torso " Warpig mentioned above. Dave Schulpius On Sep 30, 2015 7:09 AM, "David Schulpius" wrote:

Craig, thanks for the details. I know we've been through this a couple times already since you released your V2 Torso version. What do you say to the idea of placing this very detailed information you just offered us along with pictures of your v2 torso on the Information page at our B9 Builders website? Perhaps I could also add these details on your vendor page under the section where you sell the V2 Torso? Let me know your thoughts ,
Dave Schulpius On Sep 30, 2015 2:01 AM, "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]" wrote:
Really concise and clear info Craig. Many thanks for sharing.
Steve

[Craig Reinbrecht]

David, yes, please do! (something I've been meaning to do for months)

Perhaps put a statement on my vendor page with a link to the information I posted under the torso that reads:

Important note to potential buyers and new members: The v2 Torso is slightly smaller than all previous club torso's and there are a few parts you need to be aware of that must also be v2 in dimensions... For full details please go to: LINK

Thanks!

Craig


At 08:09 AM 9/30/2015, you wrote:

 

Craig, thanks for the details. I know we've been through this a couple times already since you released your V2 Torso version. What do you say to the idea of placing this very detailed information you just offered us along with pictures of your v2 torso on the Information page at our B9 Builders website? Perhaps I could also add these details on your vendor page under the section where you sell the V2 Torso?

Let me know your thoughts ,
Dave Schulpius
On Sep 30, 2015 2:01 AM, "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]" wrote:
 

Really concise and clear info Craig.   Many thanks for sharing.

Steve

[David Schulpius]

Ok, I'll get this taken care of. However it may take a couple weeks. I'm a little overwhelmed right now with other stuff that I'm afraid is taking piority.
Dave Schulpius

On Sep 30, 2015 8:46 AM, "Craig Reinbrecht craig@bex.net [B9Builders]" wrote:

David, yes, please do! (something I've been meaning to do for months)

Perhaps put a statement on my vendor page with a link to the information I posted under the torso that reads:

Important note to potential buyers and new members: The v2 Torso is slightly smaller than all previous club torso's and there are a few parts you need to be aware of that must also be v2 in dimensions... For full details please go to: LINK

Thanks!

Craig


At 08:09 AM 9/30/2015, you wrote:


Craig, thanks for the details. I know we've been through this a couple times already since you released your V2 Torso version. What do you say to the idea of placing this very detailed information you just offered us along with pictures of your v2 torso on the Information page at our B9 Builders website? Perhaps I could also add these details on your vendor page under the section where you sell the V2 Torso?

Let me know your thoughts ,
Dave Schulpius
On Sep 30, 2015 2:01 AM, "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]" wrote:


Really concise and clear info Craig. Many thanks for sharing.

Steve

[Gregorio Padin]

Good afternoon.
Seeing there is a need for these collars (and I need one), I would like to give it a shot in making them in my free time. Now with that said, is there a blue print or drawing that has the Version 2 size so I can start making the jig and continue moving from there?
Once I get into a standard in doing these I shall let this group know how well prepared I am to offer these. So if anyone knows where to point me for the Version 2 dimensions I will appreciate it very much
Have a nice day!
  From: "Greg b9greg@rap.midco.net [B9Builders]"
To: "B9Builders@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:27 AM
Subject: [B9Builders] V2 Collar and Radar Section

  It seems that there is still a major misunderstanding on the sizes of
these two parts. This problem is directly driven by the size of the V2
torso.

The V2 Torso is smaller in height and width - which then requires that
the Collar and the Radar Section also be smaller in both height and width.

My collar that I was making will not work with the V2 torso and that
goes right along with the Radar Section - which is why I am now selling
the V2 Radar Section.

Finally, I have been asked again why did I stop making collars - That
is really simple in two parts.

1. The jigs for molding and trimming the ribs would have to be remade -
the old ones would be the wrong size.

2. After 15 years - someone else needs to do it.

I hope these help in understanding.

Later,

Greg

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[James Rauch]

Attachments :Hi guys,       I was just killing some time today and I was wondering, the version 1 collar was I believe 19.25 inches but I was unable to find the outer measurement of the V.2 collar. Does anyone know what that measurement is?  Thank youJim  From: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:B9Builders@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:28 PM
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] V2 Collar and Radar Section   
Hi acropolisuniversity,

First off, what is your name? We are a friendly bunch here and it would be nice if you signed your messages so we can know who you are.

The v2 torso is slightly smaller than the old club standard, and very few could tell the difference seeing them side by side.

Basically, when Mike Joyce signed the license agreement to build and sell full sized replica B9's, he was given unprecedented access to original molds and other source material we could have only dreamed about in the years prior. One thing he was able to get was a mold of the epoxy resin plug that was cast right from the original stone molds. One thing Mike discovered very quickly was that the true torso was slightly smaller than all previous torsos available to that point. It's hard to know exactly why, but all the previous club torso's came from molds of molds of molds and can probably be traced back to common origins.

Mike decided not to offer the torso's to the club, partly because he knew this would open up a big can of worms with some old club parts not fitting anymore. When he ceased production of his Replica's a few years ago, he gave me the opportunity to offer the new "v2" torso to the club. All I can say is Mike is much smarter than me! ....so I went ahead and did offer them to the club, and did open up this can of worms. But I felt these torso's should be offered to the club and we should move towards better accuracy whenever new and better information is available.

Coincidentally, the R2 Builders club is going through the same thing right now... there is now an R2 v2 standard and they are feeling the pain!

Now to the differences and parts to be aware of...  and please understand that except for the parts I mention below... EVERY OTHER CLUB PART WILL FIT THE V2 TORSO.

COLLAR - Most Critical
* The upper "neck ring" on the torso is about 1/2" smaller in diameter than the old club standard torsos. v2 = 16-1/8", old club standard = 16-5/8". This is where the collar mates with the torso, and if the collar does not fit that dimension, you will see it where the two parts meet.
* Here is a rare picture of a v2 torso with a old club standard collar on top (just taken to see the difference)
[img]cid:image001.jpg@01D0FBA3.5807C690[/img]

* You can barely see it in the picture, but the large collar does overhang the torso neck ring. This is why you really need a collar that is made for the v2 torso dimension.
* Norman Sockwell is planning to sell a Laser cut v2 collar. Fred Barton's collar may fit... check with Fred. There is also an opportunity for someone to make collars and become a club vendor. This can be done with a very small investment, and there is the potential for someone to fund there own robot project by making and supplying a needed part.

DONUT - Next critical
* The trim ring on the top of the donut needs to be exactly the same size as the trim ring on the bottom of the torso, or this will look bad. Again the v2 trim ring is about 1/2" smaller in diameter than the old club standard donuts.
* This is not much of an issue because most people buy the torso and donut as a set and I offer the v2 donut.

RADAR SECTION - Not as critical
* Yes, not as critical, but you probably would want a v2 sized radar. Because where the collar mates with the radrar is not a sharp edge, there is some ley-way here.
* Greg Logue currently sells a laser cut acrylic radar, and Fred's fiberglass radar is also v2 sized.

NEON BACKPLATE - Least critical
* Because the overall dimensions of the v2 are slightly smaller, the old club standard Neon backplates may not fit as well as it could, but it could still be made to work.
* I am working with David Huber on a new v2 Neon backplate which should be available soon.

Now to answer your question... The v2 torso will definitely not look funny with the treadsections and bubbles of old because the dimensions of those parts has been well established and is very accurate. If anything, it should look better, but I doubt very many people could even tell the difference looking at the two side by side. In fact at Robocon 2013, my robot (old club standard torso) was setup close to Mike Joyce's Replica B9 with its v2 sized torso. You really couldn't tell the difference. Where the size differences come into play is where certain parts meet. If they are mis-sized with each other, that is where you will notice something looking funny.

I hope this helps clear up some misconceptions.

Thanks,

Craig




At 07:28 PM 9/28/2015, you wrote:

 


Indeed. I'd like to know just how much smaller the V2 is in comparison to the others that are no longer available. Wondering if tread sections & bubbles that are currently sold would look odd with the new torso.