Re: oil lines
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Dean Jensen
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oil lines
To all I still believe that what will keep a "new" line from breaking is not to twist it. If it does not line up, which it probably will not, heat one or both ends, so that the silver solder will melt and turn the end so that it is in line with the hole for the bolt, The lines are bent in a "S" shape or similar, you can make the "S" bigger or smaller, but do not twist it to make it fit, do not force it, even a little bit to get it to line up with the hole, bend the "S" before you put the bolt in, do not let the bolt pull the line to the connection. Dean
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Malcolm Castle
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OIL LINES
Hi TCers
21 years ago while driving the TC to northern Michigan I had an oil line
fracture from vibration. As i found out the bolt that holds the filter
bracket broke and the weight of the filter and vibration was the cause. the
bad part was that i lost the engine. at that time i made the decision to go
to some kind of flex line. I found a speciality shop that
made up oil lines for street rods which was high pressure rubber hose
with stainless steel braded covering. After discussing my problem with
them they suggested their red colored alloy fittings ,wich brought me to
question on how to attach the lines from the oil pump to the filter
and the block well the only way that I could see was to cut the end fittings
off the pipes and tap male threaded ends into them. After a year without any
problems I then did the conversionto the two TCs
Well that was a long time ago there has been no problem for approx.
200,000 miles and they look good. Hope this info. helps
regards
Malcolm
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21 years ago while driving the TC to northern Michigan I had an oil line
fracture from vibration. As i found out the bolt that holds the filter
bracket broke and the weight of the filter and vibration was the cause. the
bad part was that i lost the engine. at that time i made the decision to go
to some kind of flex line. I found a speciality shop that
made up oil lines for street rods which was high pressure rubber hose
with stainless steel braded covering. After discussing my problem with
them they suggested their red colored alloy fittings ,wich brought me to
question on how to attach the lines from the oil pump to the filter
and the block well the only way that I could see was to cut the end fittings
off the pipes and tap male threaded ends into them. After a year without any
problems I then did the conversionto the two TCs
Well that was a long time ago there has been no problem for approx.
200,000 miles and they look good. Hope this info. helps
regards
Malcolm
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Bob and Carolyn Grunau
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Re: [mg-tabc] OIL LINES
Several people have mentioned the possibility of vibration causing oil line> 21 years ago while driving the TC to northern Michigan I had an oil line
> fracture from vibration. As i found out the bolt that holds the filter
> bracket broke and the weight of the filter and vibration was the cause. >
failures. Please note that the filter MUST be TIGHT to the block or the
filter ( or adapter ) will vibrate and fracture the oil lines. The Mickey
Mouse original clamp straps with bent hooks on the ends are marginal at
best. They can come loose and leave the filter to vibrate.
I remove the filter bracket and encircle the bracket and filter canister
with a stainless steel strap, approx. 1/16" thick x 1 1/4" wide. Drill
holes in the strap mid length so the filter bracket bolts pass through the
strap and trap it between the block and bracket. Then bend the ends of the
strap to replicate the original type filter mounting bolt. I use a 5/16"
bolt and nyloc nut ( instead of the original 1/4" BSF bolt ). Make sure
there is clearance between the strap ends where the 5/16' bolt clamps it
together so that you tighten against the filter. If using an aluminum
filter adapter to take a modern spin-on filter there is no danger of
crushing the filter, no matter how tight the bolt.
Also check that there is a small clearance between the block and the "U"
shaped oil line between filter and block. Pass a business card or book of
matches between the line and block. If the line is in contact with the
block the oil line can fret through due to vibration.
Regards, Bob
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PADDY WILLMER
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oil lines
I don`t know why any of you bother with the original XPAG oil pump and filter and pipes breaking. Fit a later TF , late TD or Wolseley 4/44 pump and quit worrying! It`s easy to do. Withdraw the bypass valve behind the old pump, in the block, and put bolts in the block where the strap fixed, and plug the gallery inlet from the old filter. Bob is then your uncle. Paddy.
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CFritz7001@aol.com
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Re: [mg-tabc] oil lines
Paddy,
I suspect that many if not most of us in the USA haven't thought about
converting our TCs to the later TD-style horizontal oil filter simply because
those units re not that available ofver here. For me, a second factor is tha
I did not realize that the conversion was possible (I should have known
better--- all things are possible, given the resources, money, and
determination). Third factor (now that I know it CAN be swapped) is my
reluctance to get involved with what I suspect are filters which are both
expensive, and available only from a few sources (none of which are just
around the corner from me).
Right now, I'm using an aluminum adapter which mounts in the old TC
location and uses very inexpensive, very readily-available cannisters, which
I can fill with oil before installing, since they sit almost vertical. I've
been very pleased with the unit so far, and my only concern is with the
possibility of oil line fractures.
BTW, the original sealed cannisters were a real rip-off!! I did a
post-mortem on a used one years ago, and found that its "filtering" medium
was more of a strainer than a filter, as we know them today. On top of that,
they were outrageously expensive compared with modern filters, which are MUCH
MORE effective, and a lot easier to change without putting additional strain
on the oil pipes in the process.
Padddy, I STILL might consider changing my pump for a later "pipe-less"
model, but where are they available, how much do they cost, how good and how
available are the filters????.
Regards,
Carl Frits
I suspect that many if not most of us in the USA haven't thought about
converting our TCs to the later TD-style horizontal oil filter simply because
those units re not that available ofver here. For me, a second factor is tha
I did not realize that the conversion was possible (I should have known
better--- all things are possible, given the resources, money, and
determination). Third factor (now that I know it CAN be swapped) is my
reluctance to get involved with what I suspect are filters which are both
expensive, and available only from a few sources (none of which are just
around the corner from me).
Right now, I'm using an aluminum adapter which mounts in the old TC
location and uses very inexpensive, very readily-available cannisters, which
I can fill with oil before installing, since they sit almost vertical. I've
been very pleased with the unit so far, and my only concern is with the
possibility of oil line fractures.
BTW, the original sealed cannisters were a real rip-off!! I did a
post-mortem on a used one years ago, and found that its "filtering" medium
was more of a strainer than a filter, as we know them today. On top of that,
they were outrageously expensive compared with modern filters, which are MUCH
MORE effective, and a lot easier to change without putting additional strain
on the oil pipes in the process.
Padddy, I STILL might consider changing my pump for a later "pipe-less"
model, but where are they available, how much do they cost, how good and how
available are the filters????.
Regards,
Carl Frits
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Bob and Carolyn Grunau
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Re: [mg-tabc] oil lines
Hi Carl, Paddy and Others,
First, I have several late TD/TF oil pumps surplus to my needs. Price? I
don't know but less than the major suppliers ( if they have them ).
Second, I will shortly have the spin-on filter adapter to convert the late
TD/TF oil pump filter to a modern spin-on filter. Again, final price not
known as the units are currently being manufactured but about $40.00 US$
for the adapter. Expected completion is in the next two weeks.
So if someone wants a late TD/TF oil pump and spin-on oil filter conversion
for his/her TC/early TD, please email me.
Regards, Bob Grunau
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First, I have several late TD/TF oil pumps surplus to my needs. Price? I
don't know but less than the major suppliers ( if they have them ).
Second, I will shortly have the spin-on filter adapter to convert the late
TD/TF oil pump filter to a modern spin-on filter. Again, final price not
known as the units are currently being manufactured but about $40.00 US$
for the adapter. Expected completion is in the next two weeks.
So if someone wants a late TD/TF oil pump and spin-on oil filter conversion
for his/her TC/early TD, please email me.
Regards, Bob Grunau
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about> From: CFritz7001@aol.com
> To: paddy@apwillmer.freeserve.co.uk
> Cc: mg-tabc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] oil lines
> Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:18 PM
>
> Paddy,
> I suspect that many if not most of us in the USA haven't thought
because> converting our TCs to the later TD-style horizontal oil filter simply
tha> those units re not that available ofver here. For me, a second factor is
which> I did not realize that the conversion was possible (I should have known
> better--- all things are possible, given the resources, money, and
> determination). Third factor (now that I know it CAN be swapped) is my
> reluctance to get involved with what I suspect are filters which are both
> expensive, and available only from a few sources (none of which are just
> around the corner from me).
> Right now, I'm using an aluminum adapter which mounts in the old TC
> location and uses very inexpensive, very readily-available cannisters,
I've> I can fill with oil before installing, since they sit almost vertical.
medium> been very pleased with the unit so far, and my only concern is with the
> possibility of oil line fractures.
> BTW, the original sealed cannisters were a real rip-off!! I did a
> post-mortem on a used one years ago, and found that its "filtering"
that,> was more of a strainer than a filter, as we know them today. On top of
MUCH> they were outrageously expensive compared with modern filters, which are
strain> MORE effective, and a lot easier to change without putting additional
"pipe-less"> on the oil pipes in the process.
> Padddy, I STILL might consider changing my pump for a later
how> model, but where are they available, how much do they cost, how good and
> available are the filters????.
> Regards,
> Carl Frits
>
>
>
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PMS GB Ltd
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[mg-tabc] oil lines
Message text written by "PADDY WILLMER"
obvious!
Regards
Clive
Hi Paddy - After all the originality discussions one answer should be>I don`t know why any of you bother with the original XPAG oil pump <
obvious!
Regards
Clive
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AJChalmers@aol.com
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Re: Oil Lines
In a message dated 7/29/02 6:46:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jwp_mgtc@chartermi.net writes:
Marino. He's not on the internet:
16199 Hidden Cove Drive
Riverside, CA 92503
(909) 352 4419
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jwp_mgtc@chartermi.net writes:
Replace these dangerous lines with flexible ones made and sold by Phil> I blew an oil line from the filter to the block coming home from a
> car show on Sat and have ordered a new one from Moss
Marino. He's not on the internet:
16199 Hidden Cove Drive
Riverside, CA 92503
(909) 352 4419
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Allan Chalmers
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Oil Lines
Phil Marino will do your oil lines if you supply the ends. I'm not sure of the current pricing. I don't think he has any ends for sale but I believe he will send you a set of lines with you returning the ends on receipt. Give him a call - 909 352 4419
He has a number of other excellent products, including poly bushes and machined parts.
Allan Chalmers
TC, TA, 356 Porsche
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Allan Chalmers
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Oil Lines
Phil Marino will do your oil lines if you supply the ends. I'm not sure of the current pricing. I don't think he has any ends for sale but I believe he will send you a set of lines with you returning the ends on receipt. Give him a call - 909 352 4419
He has a number of other excellent products, including poly bushes and machined parts.
Allan Chalmers
TC, TA, 356 Porsche
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