Steering Box Grease

[Chip Old]

The recent thread on the use of Model T Ford or Volkswagen steering gear grease in the Bishop Cam gearbox reminded me of an obscure bit of technical data I had squirreled away somewhere. I finally found it. To most people "grease" means common chassis grease, which is meant to stay in place and not flow much, if at all. This makes it unsuitable for use in a steering box because it can't flow around and into the parts that need to be lubricated. Grease is classified by the National Lubricating Grease Institute (NLGI) according to its fluidity, similar to how motor oil and gear oil are given SAE viscosity ratings: NLGI Consistency At Number Room Temperature ------ ---------------- 000 very fluid 00 fluid 0 semi-fluid 1 very soft 2 soft 3 medium hard 4 hard 5 very hard 6 extremely hard Chassis grease normally has a NLGI-3 rating. The Model T and Volkswagen steering gear greases are probably NLGI-0, or maybe even 00 or 000. You may or may not find that information on the container. NLGI-0 grease, often called "zero grease", is a good choice for the Bishop Cam box. It's much thicker than SAE 140 gear oil, so is less likely to leak out, but it is fluid enough to flow into everything in the box that needs lubrication. You're not likely to find zero grease at your local auto supply store. Zero grease is widely used in industrial and agricultural equipment, so try suppliers that specialize in those markets. The NLGI is a US organization. I don't know if the NLGI rating system is used outside the US. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC Cub Hill, Maryland, US TC6710 XPAG7430 fold@bcpl.net NEMGTR #2271

[Paroor]

Dear Chip Old, Now you explained about the about the consistency of grease. Can you please explain the new colour code and other specification. Few months back a friend of mine gave three or four different type modern grease. One is silicon free, cream colour. The other is blue in colour. I did not want to mix up this old TC grease. Thank you in advance. Madhu Napoleon said there is nine moths of winter and three months no summer in Germany !!! I think it is true !!! -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Chip Old Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. August 2005 14:43 The recent thread on the use of Model T Ford or Volkswagen steering gear grease in the Bishop Cam gearbox reminded me of an obscure bit of technical data I had squirreled away somewhere. I finally found it. To most people "grease" means common chassis grease, which is meant to stay in place and not flow much, if at all. This makes it unsuitable for use in a steering box because it can't flow around and into the parts that need to be lubricated. Grease is classified by the National Lubricating Grease Institute (NLGI) according to its fluidity, similar to how motor oil and gear oil are given SAE viscosity ratings: NLGI Consistency At Number Room Temperature ------ ---------------- 000 very fluid 00 fluid 0 semi-fluid 1 very soft 2 soft 3 medium hard 4 hard 5 very hard 6 extremely hard Chassis grease normally has a NLGI-3 rating. The Model T and Volkswagen steering gear greases are probably NLGI-0, or maybe even 00 or 000. You may or may not find that information on the container. NLGI-0 grease, often called "zero grease", is a good choice for the Bishop Cam box. It's much thicker than SAE 140 gear oil, so is less likely to leak out, but it is fluid enough to flow into everything in the box that needs lubrication. You're not likely to find zero grease at your local auto supply store. Zero grease is widely used in industrial and agricultural equipment, so try suppliers that specialize in those markets. The NLGI is a US organization. I don't know if the NLGI rating system is used outside the US. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC Cub Hill, Maryland, US TC6710 XPAG7430 fold@bcpl.net NEMGTR #2271

[Clive Sherriff]

Madhu, Oh God (or Gods) ! Don't say we now need an originality debate about the colour of grease Were there Factory grease colour charts ??? I seem to remember an Abingdon shop that sold greasy chips........I Clive =============================

----- Original Message ----- From: "Paroor" paroor@t-online.de> To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>; "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Steering Box Grease > Dear Chip Old, > Now you explained about the about the consistency of grease. > Can you please explain the new colour code and other specification. Few > months back a friend of mine gave three or four different type modern > grease. One is silicon free, cream colour. The other is blue in colour. I > did not want to mix up this old TC grease. > Thank you in advance. > > Madhu > > Napoleon said there is nine moths of winter and three months no summer in > Germany !!! I think it is true !!! > > >

[Paroor]

Hi Clive, Just like modern synthetic oil used in modern cars, new synthetic grease is also in the market. And they do have different colour according to the specification. I did not want to talk about originality. We can not use these grease in our TC any way, unless and otherwise we remove all old grease and clean the parts. But it is interesting to know the new developments. The new lead free fuel is so aggressive against all the old rubber pipes. The rubber particle got into the carburettor jets and give me problem in my motorcycle. This can also happen to old cars. One had to replace with silicon pipes. Did you buy fish and MG shaped greasy chips in Abingdon ??? How does it taste ???? Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Clive Sherriff Gesendet: Montag, 15. August 2005 13:52 Madhu, Oh God (or Gods) ! Don't say we now need an originality debate about the colour of grease Were there Factory grease colour charts ??? I seem to remember an Abingdon shop that sold greasy chips........I Clive

[Rothgene Roth]

I hope there's no SILICON in the cream color grease, but SILICONE probably would make it a little more slippery. Gene Roth

----- Original Message ----- From: Paroorparoor@t-online.de> To: Chip Oldfold@bcpl.net> ; MG-TABCmg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Steering Box Grease Dear Chip Old, Now you explained about the about the consistency of grease. Can you please explain the new colour code and other specification. Few months back a friend of mine gave three or four different type modern grease. One is silicon free, cream colour. The other is blue in colour. I did not want to mix up this old TC grease. Thank you in advance. Madhu Napoleon said there is nine moths of winter and three months no summer in Germany !!! I think it is true !!! -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Chip Old Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. August 2005 14:43 The recent thread on the use of Model T Ford or Volkswagen steering gear grease in the Bishop Cam gearbox reminded me of an obscure bit of technical data I had squirreled away somewhere. I finally found it. To most people "grease" means common chassis grease, which is meant to stay in place and not flow much, if at all. This makes it unsuitable for use in a steering box because it can't flow around and into the parts that need to be lubricated. Grease is classified by the National Lubricating Grease Institute (NLGI) according to its fluidity, similar to how motor oil and gear oil are given SAE viscosity ratings: NLGI Consistency At Number Room Temperature ------ ---------------- 000 very fluid 00 fluid 0 semi-fluid 1 very soft 2 soft 3 medium hard 4 hard 5 very hard 6 extremely hard Chassis grease normally has a NLGI-3 rating. The Model T and Volkswagen steering gear greases are probably NLGI-0, or maybe even 00 or 000. You may or may not find that information on the container. NLGI-0 grease, often called "zero grease", is a good choice for the Bishop Cam box. It's much thicker than SAE 140 gear oil, so is less likely to leak out, but it is fluid enough to flow into everything in the box that needs lubrication. You're not likely to find zero grease at your local auto supply store. Zero grease is widely used in industrial and agricultural equipment, so try suppliers that specialize in those markets. The NLGI is a US organization. I don't know if the NLGI rating system is used outside the US. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC Cub Hill, Maryland, US TC6710 XPAG7430 fold@bcpl.netfold@bcpl.net> NEMGTR #2271 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chip Old]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:33 +0200, Paroor wrote:

> Now you explained about the about the consistency of > grease. Can you please explain the new colour code and other > specification. Few months back a friend of mine gave three or four > different type modern grease. One is silicon free, cream colour. The > other is blue in colour. I did not want to mix up this old TC grease. > Thank you in advance.

Madhu, I'm not aware of any color coding for grease that is agreed on industry-wide. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC Cub Hill, Maryland, US TC6710 XPAG7430 fold@bcpl.net NEMGTR #2271

[ROSS TAYLOR]

All I used in my BC box was a mixture of grease and 140 grade oil. worked well and cheap and easy to mix up. Ross in Tea Gardens

>On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:33 +0200, Paroor wrote: > > > Now you explained about the about the consistency of > > grease. Can you please explain the new colour code and other > > specification. Few months back a friend of mine gave three or four > > different type modern grease. One is silicon free, cream colour. The > > other is blue in colour. I did not want to mix up this old TC grease. > > Thank you in advance. > >Madhu, > >I'm not aware of any color coding for grease that is agreed on >industry-wide. > >-- >Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC >Cub Hill, Maryland, US TC6710 XPAG7430 >fold@bcpl.net NEMGTR #2271 > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[1939mgtb]

Red grease goes with the MG motif....... Best, Ray "Spes mea in Deo est"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Sherriff" clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com> To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>; "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Paroor" paroor@t-online.de> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Steering Box Grease > Madhu, > > Oh God (or Gods) ! > > Don't say we now need an originality debate about > the colour of grease > > Were there Factory grease colour charts ??? > > I seem to remember an Abingdon shop that sold > greasy chips........I > > Clive > > ============================= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paroor" paroor@t-online.de> > To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>; "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:33 AM > Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Steering Box Grease > > >> Dear Chip Old, >> Now you explained about the about the consistency of > grease. >> Can you please explain the new colour code and other specification. Few >> months back a friend of mine gave three or four different type modern >> grease. One is silicon free, cream colour. The other is blue in colour. I >> did not want to mix up this old TC grease. >> Thank you in advance. >> >> Madhu >> >> Napoleon said there is nine moths of winter and three months no summer in >> Germany !!! I think it is true !!! >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Paroor]

Hi Ray, Are trying to match the colour of the grease to match body paint colour of TB ? Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: 1939mgtb [mailto:1939mgtb@comcast.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. August 2005 02:15 An: Chip Old; MG-TABC; Paroor; Clive Sherriff Betreff: Re: [mg-tabc] Steering Box Grease Red grease goes with the MG motif....... Best, Ray "Spes mea in Deo est"

[1939mgtb]

Sure! And for the green cars, green grease, etc....! Think of the impact on fashion! Best, Ray "Spes mea in Deo est"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Paroor" paroor@t-online.de> To: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net>; "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>; "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Clive Sherriff" clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Steering Box Grease > Hi Ray, > Are trying to match the colour of the grease to match body paint > colour of TB ? > > Madhu > > -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: 1939mgtb [mailto:1939mgtb@comcast.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. August 2005 02:15 > An: Chip Old; MG-TABC; Paroor; Clive Sherriff > Betreff: Re: [mg-tabc] Steering Box Grease > > > Red grease goes with the MG motif....... > Best, > Ray > "Spes mea in Deo est" > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >