Is Magnifluxing enough?

[John Pavone]

I just brought my steering components to the local machine shop for Magniflux testing and was told that the parts should really be x-rayed instead. They had no idea who could do this and a quick search on the web didn't get any hits. Should I take their advice and if so, who can do this or is this overkill? Thanks. JP TC2797

[Jorolibb@aol.com]

John, Not knowing where you are located doesn't help me help determine who to recommend. US Inspection has several locations centered around the mid west states with Dayton Ohio being their corporate headquarters. I work in the Cincinnati Ohio area and there are several companies that perform this service. Try a google search for ''ndt inspection'' (non destructive testing) and you should be able to come up with several choices in most countries. If you're in an industrial based location that does any type of aircraft, marine or heavy industrial manufacturing or repairing they usually have this type of service around. Any of these companies should be able to perform either mag particle, UT (ultrasonic) or Xray inspection. John Libbert Milford, OH TC 2138 -----Original Message----- From: John Pavone john.pavone@ge.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:31:13 -0000 Subject: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? I just brought my steering components to the local machine shop for Magniflux testing and was told that the parts should really be x-rayed instead. They had no idea who could do this and a quick search on the web didn't get any hits. Should I take their advice and if so, who can do this or is this overkill? Thanks. JP TC2797 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Pavone, John (Corporate)]

Hi John, I found an outfit somewhat nearby, Hartford CT, which can do the x-ray testing. The cost isn't cheap, about $68 per item, but then you can't put a price tag on your life! Thanks for the tips, as they helped in the web search! John -----Original Message----- From: jorolibb@aol.com [mailto:jorolibb@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:54 PM To: Pavone, John (Corporate); mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? John, Not knowing where you are located doesn't help me help determine who to recommend. US Inspection has several locations centered around the mid west states with Dayton Ohio being their corporate headquarters. I work in the Cincinnati Ohio area and there are several companies that perform this service. Try a google search for ''ndt inspection'' (non destructive testing) and you should be able to come up with several choices in most countries. If you're in an industrial based location that does any type of aircraft, marine or heavy industrial manufacturing or repairing they usually have this type of service around. Any of these companies should be able to perform either mag particle, UT (ultrasonic) or Xray inspection. John Libbert Milford, OH TC 2138 -----Original Message----- From: John Pavone john.pavone@ge.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:31:13 -0000 Subject: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? I just brought my steering components to the local machine shop for Magniflux testing and was told that the parts should really be x-rayed instead. They had no idea who could do this and a quick search on the web didn't get any hits. Should I take their advice and if so, who can do this or is this overkill? Thanks. JP TC2797 Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mg-tabc/ mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[DougPulver@aol.com]

John, The remaining question in my mind is whether or not this is "overkill" as you previously stated. What cost to check these components out? If it is equal to or greater than 50% of the cost of a new one, I think you would be better off purchasing new. If purchasing new, should you then have the new parts inspected? Seems to me magnafluxing is a prudent approach for a reasonable cost. The machine shop I used felt so badly about my spindles showing cracks that they didn't even charge me. Doug Pulver TC 5850 San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: Pavone, John (Corporate) john.pavone@ge.com> To: jorolibb@aol.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:41:45 -0400 Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? Hi John, I found an outfit somewhat nearby, Hartford CT, which can do the x-ray testing. The cost isn't cheap, about $68 per item, but then you can't put a price tag on your life! Thanks for the tips, as they helped in the web search! John -----Original Message----- From: jorolibb@aol.com [mailto:jorolibb@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:54 PM To: Pavone, John (Corporate); mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? John, Not knowing where you are located doesn't help me help determine who to recommend. US Inspection has several locations centered around the mid west states with Dayton Ohio being their corporate headquarters. I work in the Cincinnati Ohio area and there are several companies that perform this service. Try a google search for ''ndt inspection'' (non destructive testing) and you should be able to come up with several choices in most countries. If you're in an industrial based location that does any type of aircraft, marine or heavy industrial manufacturing or repairing they usually have this type of service around. Any of these companies should be able to perform either mag particle, UT (ultrasonic) or Xray inspection. John Libbert Milford, OH TC 2138 -----Original Message----- From: John Pavone john.pavone@ge.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:31:13 -0000 Subject: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? I just brought my steering components to the local machine shop for Magniflux testing and was told that the parts should really be x-rayed instead. They had no idea who could do this and a quick search on the web didn't get any hits. Should I take their advice and if so, who can do this or is this overkill? Thanks. JP TC2797 Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mg-tabc/ mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fnitz]

Mine did the same, no charge for the magnafluxing because they were both cracked. Fred TC1353 -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DougPulver@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:10 PM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? John, The remaining question in my mind is whether or not this is "overkill" as you previously stated. What cost to check these components out? If it is equal to or greater than 50% of the cost of a new one, I think you would be better off purchasing new. If purchasing new, should you then have the new parts inspected? Seems to me magnafluxing is a prudent approach for a reasonable cost. The machine shop I used felt so badly about my spindles showing cracks that they didn't even charge me. Doug Pulver TC 5850 San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: Pavone, John (Corporate) john.pavone@ge.com> To: jorolibb@aol.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:41:45 -0400 Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? Hi John, I found an outfit somewhat nearby, Hartford CT, which can do the x-ray testing. The cost isn't cheap, about $68 per item, but then you can't put a price tag on your life! Thanks for the tips, as they helped in the web search! John -----Original Message----- From: jorolibb@aol.com [mailto:jorolibb@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:54 PM To: Pavone, John (Corporate); mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? John, Not knowing where you are located doesn't help me help determine who to recommend. US Inspection has several locations centered around the mid west states with Dayton Ohio being their corporate headquarters. I work in the Cincinnati Ohio area and there are several companies that perform this service. Try a google search for ''ndt inspection'' (non destructive testing) and you should be able to come up with several choices in most countries. If you're in an industrial based location that does any type of aircraft, marine or heavy industrial manufacturing or repairing they usually have this type of service around. Any of these companies should be able to perform either mag particle, UT (ultrasonic) or Xray inspection. John Libbert Milford, OH TC 2138 -----Original Message----- From: John Pavone john.pavone@ge.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:31:13 -0000 Subject: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? I just brought my steering components to the local machine shop for Magniflux testing and was told that the parts should really be x-rayed instead. They had no idea who could do this and a quick search on the web didn't get any hits. Should I take their advice and if so, who can do this or is this overkill? Thanks. JP TC2797 Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mg-tabc/ mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

[Pavone, John (Corporate)]

The shop indicated that it would take about 4 x-rays per item to cover all the angles of each part. No discount for multiple parts. Therefore, I plan on sending just the steering box drop arm, as this is probably the most prone to failure. A replacement drop arm is about $360, so it's certainly worth testing. I'm having the spindles redone without testing, as they look pretty bad (scoring). The sector shaft looks almost new and I've only heard of one failure with these, so it just gets magnifluxed. The steering arms also look pretty good and I haven't heard of any failures with these, so they just get magnifluxed too. If anyone is interested, I can post the name and address of the shop performing the work. Best Regards, JP TC2797

[Jeff Redman]

So there you are gentlemen... If you have a squiz at the steering drop arm you will no doubt be moved to poetry, inspired by the delicate nature of this artful piece of casting. So frail looking, perhaps too effete to be such a crucial component in so vital a system as the steering of a motor car. And I could name half a dozen blokes who have turned prematurely grey when the bloody thing broke! Don't get me wrong... for I applaud those who have exhibited caution and common sense in having all their steering gear magnafluxed/x-rayed/held-up-to-the light, for I have taken out several panels of a stranger's picket fence, against my will, when my drop-arm became two pieces. Thing is, I merely chime in here hoping those who frown on steering conversions - be it Datto or VW - now understand why some of us have made these non-standard changes. Reddo... surrounded by broken bits -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pavone, John (Corporate) Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 6:28 AM To: O'Day, Mark; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; DougPulver@aol.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Is Magnifluxing enough? The shop indicated that it would take about 4 x-rays per item to cover all the angles of each part. No discount for multiple parts. Therefore, I plan on sending just the steering box drop arm, as this is probably the most prone to failure. A replacement drop arm is about $360, so it's certainly worth testing. I'm having the spindles redone without testing, as they look pretty bad (scoring). The sector shaft looks almost new and I've only heard of one failure with these, so it just gets magnifluxed. The steering arms also look pretty good and I haven't heard of any failures with these, so they just get magnifluxed too. If anyone is interested, I can post the name and address of the shop performing the work. Best Regards, JP TC2797 Yahoo! Groups Links

[Pavone, John (Corporate)]

Jeff, I have nothing against the Datto or VW conversions. As a matter of fact, I had a Gemmer steering box replace the original in my Morgan. I looked into the Datsun steering conversion kit and was told that these have been on back order for quite a while. I guess donor boxes are getting scarce! If you have a source for either the VW or Datsun conversion kits please let me know. So for now, I'll stick with the BC. JP TC2797