MG T Series in Detail

[Alan Webster]

Just opened my copy of the MG Car Club magazine "Safety Fast" that arrived in today s post. Inside is an A5 invitation which appears to have been put in as a "flyer" by Herridge & Sons, the publishers of Paddy Willmer s new book MG T Series in Detail. The "SPECIAL OFFER to MG Car Club Members" to buy a copy signed by the author and post free for 35 in the UK, + 2 Europe or + 5 rest of the world is significantly more than the 24.50 P&P included that one would pay Amazon in the UK for the same thing (probably an unsigned copy to be fair) I just wonder, who's getting the difference here? is it the MG Car Club, shame on them if it is, or is it the publisher, shame on them as well if they can sell it via Amazon for so much less. Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to shaft us here? (answers on a bit of toilet paper to the MG Car Club please, after all it's them that condoned the flier in their magazine!!) Alan Webster Sutton Coldfield UK TA 3239 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Liz Harris]

...I`ll drink to that comment........ Tweed 2259. Alan Webster alan@somex.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Just opened my copy of the MG Car Club magazine "Safety Fast" that arrived in today s post. Inside is an A5 invitation which appears to have been put in as a "flyer" by Herridge & Sons, the publishers of Paddy Willmer s new book MG T Series in Detail. The "SPECIAL OFFER to MG Car Club Members" to buy a copy signed by the author and post free for 35 in the UK, + 2 Europe or + 5 rest of the world is significantly more than the 24.50 P&P included that one would pay Amazon in the UK for the same thing (probably an unsigned copy to be fair) I just wonder, who's getting the difference here? is it the MG Car Club, shame on them if it is, or is it the publisher, shame on them as well if they can sell it via Amazon for so much less. Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to shaft us here? (answers on a bit of toilet paper to the MG Car Club please, after all it's them that condoned the flier in their magazine!!) Alan Webster Sutton Coldfield UK TA 3239 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John James]

Alan, Steady on! I am no expert in these matters, but there is certainly a hefty mark up on books, but for good reasons. The Publisher, Herridge & Sons, have to take the initial risk (what if the book is a complete flop ?) concerning the number to be printed for which they will have to pay money up front. I have no idea of the unit price of each book to be paid to the printers by Herridge & Sons, but I doubt if it is much more than 10 per copy. It could even be less. They will then sell to the Wholesaler, who will also want his mark up and also to the author, who, I understand, will be selling his book independently at Silverstone. They will also sell to Amazon, who, presumably, are big enough to not to have to go through a Wholesaler as they buy in such quantities. At the bottom of the pile comes the poor old T Register, who will buy from the Wholesaler. We may not be able to match Amazon s price, but we may not be far away from it if you buy from us at Silverstone, bearing in mind that you would presumably have to pay Amazon postage on top. In buying from us, you can rest assured that the meagre profit we make will not be eroded by having to pay salaries or expenses (for everything we do is done on a voluntary basis) and every penny will be reinvested in helping to preserve and maintain the T Series of M.G. sports cars. Please don t blame the MG Car Club all they have done is to agree to have the flyer included with the July issue of Safety Fast for a small fee, of course! Regards, JOHN JAMES TC0750 (Voluntary Regalia Secretary of the T Register of the MG Car Club, voluntary Editor, Totally T-Type , the bi-monthly magazine of the T Register, voluntary Safety Fast! scribe for the T Register and voluntary webmaster of www.tregister.org http://www.tregister.org/> the website of the T Register of the MG Car Club). -----Original Message----- From: Alan Webster [mailto:alan@somex.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 25 June 2005 20:24 To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Cc: jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk; drsamuel@whsmithnet.co.uk; HEH1803@aol.com Subject: MG T Series in Detail Just opened my copy of the MG Car Club magazine "Safety Fast" that arrived in today s post. Inside is an A5 invitation which appears to have been put in as a "flyer" by Herridge & Sons, the publishers of Paddy Willmer s new book MG T Series in Detail. The "SPECIAL OFFER to MG Car Club Members" to buy a copy signed by the author and post free for 35 in the UK, + 2 Europe or + 5 rest of the world is significantly more than the 24.50 P&P included that one would pay Amazon in the UK for the same thing (probably an unsigned copy to be fair) I just wonder, who's getting the difference here? is it the MG Car Club, shame on them if it is, or is it the publisher, shame on them as well if they can sell it via Amazon for so much less. Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to shaft us here? (answers on a bit of toilet paper to the MG Car Club please, after all it's them that condoned the flier in their magazine!!) Alan Webster Sutton Coldfield UK TA 3239 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Peter Roberts]

Hmmm. Is that an off-side half-shaft? _Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Harris" lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Alan Webster" alan@somex.freeserve.co.uk>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Cc: jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk>; drsamuel@whsmithnet.co.uk>; HEH1803@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG T Series in Detail ...I`ll drink to that comment........ Tweed 2259. Alan Webster alan@somex.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Just opened my copy of the MG Car Club magazine "Safety Fast" that arrived in today's post. Inside is an A5 invitation which appears to have been put in as a "flyer" by Herridge & Sons, the publishers of Paddy Willmer's new book MG T Series in Detail. The "SPECIAL OFFER to MG Car Club Members" to buy a copy signed by the author and post free for 35 in the UK, + 2 Europe or + 5 rest of the world is significantly more than the 24.50 P&P included that one would pay Amazon in the UK for the same thing (probably an unsigned copy to be fair) I just wonder, who's getting the difference here? is it the MG Car Club, shame on them if it is, or is it the publisher, shame on them as well if they can sell it via Amazon for so much less. Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to shaft us here? (answers on a bit of toilet paper to the MG Car Club please, after all it's them that condoned the flier in their magazine!!) Alan Webster Sutton Coldfield UK TA 3239 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

[Alan Webster]

John, Thanks for your comments but: I stand by everything I said, the publishers, Herridge & sons are the publishers whoever they sell to and the "risk" is also the same whoever they sell to. This is not a dig at the T register who unlike the MG car club make many sensible decisions that seem to reflect the members wishes and I am also all in favour of fund raising activities undertaken by the register for the benefit of the members. Furthermore, as the cheques are to be made payable to Herridge & sons, I doubt the Car Club is making a bean from the sales and therefore they nor the register will benefit in that case. The "offer" in the MG club magazine was to purchase direct from the publisher, not their wholesaler or resellers. My point was / is that an "offer" should represent exactly that, an offer to buy something cheaper as a club member than joe public buying from Amazon. I DO blame the car club as that is not an offer at all and as the flier was included in their magazine and clearly says "special offer to MG car club members" it suggests at the very least, some sort of deal has been struck by or with the club. It is very close to 50% more than ANYONE could buy it from Amazon for. That is not looking after the members interests, it is the very opposite. If this message makes any prospective purchasers aware that a better deal is available then I consider it worthwhile. Hopefully the T register will achieve some sales and thereby swell their coffers a little. Alan Webster Sutton Coldfield UK TA 3239 _____ From: John James [mailto:jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk] Sent: 25 June 2005 22:15 To: 'Alan Webster'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Cc: drsamuel@whsmithnet.co.uk; HEH1803@aol.com Subject: RE: MG T Series in Detail Alan, Steady on! I am no expert in these matters, but there is certainly a hefty mark up on books, but for good reasons. The Publisher, Herridge & Sons, have to take the initial risk (what if the book is a complete flop ?) concerning the number to be printed for which they will have to pay money up front. I have no idea of the unit price of each book to be paid to the printers by Herridge & Sons, but I doubt if it is much more than 10 per copy. It could even be less. They will then sell to the Wholesaler, who will also want his mark up and also to the author, who, I understand, will be selling his book independently at Silverstone. They will also sell to Amazon, who, presumably, are big enough to not to have to go through a Wholesaler as they buy in such quantities. At the bottom of the pile comes the poor old T Register, who will buy from the Wholesaler. We may not be able to match Amazon s price, but we may not be far away from it if you buy from us at Silverstone, bearing in mind that you would presumably have to pay Amazon postage on top. In buying from us, you can rest assured that the meagre profit we make will not be eroded by having to pay salaries or expenses (for everything we do is done on a voluntary basis) and every penny will be reinvested in helping to preserve and maintain the T Series of M.G. sports cars. Please don t blame the MG Car Club all they have done is to agree to have the flyer included with the July issue of Safety Fast for a small fee, of course! Regards, JOHN JAMES TC0750 (Voluntary Regalia Secretary of the T Register of the MG Car Club, voluntary Editor, Totally T-Type , the bi-monthly magazine of the T Register, voluntary Safety Fast! scribe for the T Register and voluntary webmaster of www.tregister.org http://www.tregister.org/> the website of the T Register of the MG Car Club). -----Original Message----- From: Alan Webster [mailto:alan@somex.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 25 June 2005 20:24 To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Cc: jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk; drsamuel@whsmithnet.co.uk; HEH1803@aol.com Subject: MG T Series in Detail Just opened my copy of the MG Car Club magazine "Safety Fast" that arrived in today s post. Inside is an A5 invitation which appears to have been put in as a "flyer" by Herridge & Sons, the publishers of Paddy Willmer s new book MG T Series in Detail. The "SPECIAL OFFER to MG Car Club Members" to buy a copy signed by the author and post free for 35 in the UK, + 2 Europe or + 5 rest of the world is significantly more than the 24.50 P&P included that one would pay Amazon in the UK for the same thing (probably an unsigned copy to be fair) I just wonder, who's getting the difference here? is it the MG Car Club, shame on them if it is, or is it the publisher, shame on them as well if they can sell it via Amazon for so much less. Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to shaft us here? (answers on a bit of toilet paper to the MG Car Club please, after all it's them that condoned the flier in their magazine!!) Alan Webster Sutton Coldfield UK TA 3239 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[murray arundell]

So whats wrong with the MG Car Club making a few bucks by selling signed copies of a book? I am constantly surprised how some people begrudge others making a dollar or two....... If you don't want to pay, don t buy it. Murray Arundell Brisbane Aus -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Webster Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2005 5:24 AM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Cc: jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk; drsamuel@whsmithnet.co.uk; HEH1803@aol.com Subject: [mg-tabc] MG T Series in Detail Just opened my copy of the MG Car Club magazine "Safety Fast" that arrived in today s post. Inside is an A5 invitation which appears to have been put in as a "flyer" by Herridge & Sons, the publishers of Paddy Willmer s new book MG T Series in Detail. The "SPECIAL OFFER to MG Car Club Members" to buy a copy signed by the author and post free for 35 in the UK, + 2 Europe or + 5 rest of the world is significantly more than the 24.50 P&P included that one would pay Amazon in the UK for the same thing (probably an unsigned copy to be fair) I just wonder, who's getting the difference here? is it the MG Car Club, shame on them if it is, or is it the publisher, shame on them as well if they can sell it via Amazon for so much less. Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to shaft us here? (answers on a bit of toilet paper to the MG Car Club please, after all it's them that condoned the flier in their magazine!!) Alan Webster Sutton Coldfield UK TA 3239 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links