Speedometer - identifying original

[mavicator]

Is there a way to tell if this speedo is an original part or a repro? Thanks! http://www.lbcnuts.com/temp/tcspeedo.jpg

[Steve S.]

The back is metal. Is that the only way to tell? If the face is so close to the original that it they can't be told apart then I'll skip replacing it with an (expensive!) original. Thanks so much! - Steve S - TC8975, LA, CA

----- Original Message ----- From: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> To: "mavicator" websim@pacbell.net> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Speedometer - identifying original > Is the back made of Bakelite, or pot metal? OE were Bakelite. > Best, > Ray > > "Much can be achieved with a smile. > However, much more can be achieved with a smile and a gun." > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mavicator" websim@pacbell.net> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:55 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Speedometer - identifying original > > > > Is there a way to tell if this speedo is an original part or a repro? > > Thanks! > > > > http://www.lbcnuts.com/temp/tcspeedo.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Jennifer and Hugh Pite]

Steve, the indicator needle on your speedo has a small disc at the short end. The original did not have this disc. If the back of your gauge is metal with a rectangular raised section then it is not a TC chronometric speedo but a MOSS reproduction. These reproductions use a modern eddy current mechanism to indicate speed while the chronometric ones use a rather complicated clockwork mechanism. Hugh Pite

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve S." websim@pacbell.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Speedometer - identifying original > The back is metal. Is that the only way to tell? If the face is so close > to the original that it they can't be told apart then I'll skip replacing it > with an (expensive!) original. Thanks so much! > > - Steve S > - TC8975, LA, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> > To: "mavicator" websim@pacbell.net> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Speedometer - identifying original > > > > Is the back made of Bakelite, or pot metal? OE were Bakelite. > > Best, > > Ray > > > > "Much can be achieved with a smile. > > However, much more can be achieved with a smile and a gun." > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mavicator" websim@pacbell.net> > > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:55 PM > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Speedometer - identifying original > > > > > > > Is there a way to tell if this speedo is an original part or a repro? > > > Thanks! > > > > > > http://www.lbcnuts.com/temp/tcspeedo.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[mavicator]

This is a repost as the original never showed up. Seems to be a recurring problem. If anyone receives two of this message I appologize. I looked at the back of the speedo and it's marked "Smiths Industries Limited" and under that, "None-O-Jewels". I then noticed the tach is marked the same so they must both be repros of the same type. I know the tach is a repro because the clock is painted on. Here are two photos of the rear of my speedo: http://www.lbcnuts.com/temp/tcspeedo2.jpg http://www.lbcnuts.com/temp/tcspeedo3.jpg Thanks so much! - Steve S - TC8975, LA, CA

[Charles Hill]

It looks similar to the original. How close do you want? I'm attaching a quick photo of an original as restored by Vintage Restorations to show the differences. The needle is different. The odometer and trip odometer locations are swapped. Also the odometers are further out from the center. Note that there is no trim ring between the glass and the dial. The original is also has the British Jaeger logo on it. You guys on the list, don't worry about not getting the photo. You can go out to your car and take your own photo Regards, Charles Hill mavicator wrote:

>Is there a way to tell if this speedo is an original part or a repro? > Thanks! > >http://www.lbcnuts.com/temp/tcspeedo.jpg > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

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[Paroor]

Dear Mr.xxx, This speedo is a TD one (?) with a TC dial. This two screws on the face discloses that. Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von mavicator Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juni 2005 21:56 Is there a way to tell if this speedo is an original part or a repro? Thanks! http://www.lbcnuts.com/temp/tcspeedo.jpg

[mavicator]

Thank you Mr. M! For that interesting and informative response I shall endevour to not forget to sign my posts. I looked up the TD gauges and it does appear the holes and odometers are a match. The needle does not match either one but is very similar if not identical to older Jaguar gauges. Or perhaps it's a generic replacement part? The only anomoly left is the painted clock. A TD gauge would have had a clock so why go with an aftermarket face with a painted one? I'm guessing that both gauge faces are repros. I believe these gauges were replaced about 10 years ago, perhaps more. Is it possible that Moss was making TC replacement gauges from TD units before they began making full replacement TC ones? That would certainly explain the faces. Thanks for all the info! - Steve S aka Mr.xxx - TC8975, LA, CA

--- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "Paroor" wrote: > Dear Mr.xxx, > This speedo is a TD one (?) with a TC dial. This two screws on > the face discloses that. > Madhu

[Paroor]

Hi Steve, The replacement dials are available here with or with out Jaguar identification on it for about 30. The colour is not 100% correct. But it can be noted only if you check it very close. Madhu TC 0448 -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von mavicator Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juni 2005 08:44 An: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [mg-tabc] Re: Speedometer - identifying original Thank you Mr. M! For that interesting and informative response I shall endevour to not forget to sign my posts. I looked up the TD gauges and it does appear the holes and odometers are a match. The needle does not match either one but is very similar if not identical to older Jaguar gauges. Or perhaps it's a generic replacement part? The only anomoly left is the painted clock. A TD gauge would have had a clock so why go with an aftermarket face with a painted one? I'm guessing that both gauge faces are repros. I believe these gauges were replaced about 10 years ago, perhaps more. Is it possible that Moss was making TC replacement gauges from TD units before they began making full replacement TC ones? That would certainly explain the faces. Thanks for all the info! - Steve S aka Mr.xxx - TC8975, LA, CA

[Jennifer and Hugh Pite]

Steve, the MOSS replacement gauges are essentially Triumph TR2/3 gauges with a repro flat face attached. These Smiths gauges have no place to mount a clock hence the painted, fixed time "clock". It is very unlikely that anyone is making a TC chronometric speedo or tach. The back of later TD gauges to not look even remotely like the ones in your car. Besides that, it seems unlikely that anyone would use TD Jaeger gauges to make a repro TC gauge since the former have been in short supply for several decades. Best Regards, Hugh Pite

----- Original Message ----- From: "mavicator" websim@pacbell.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Speedometer - identifying original > Thank you Mr. M! For that interesting and informative response I > shall endevour to not forget to sign my posts. > > I looked up the TD gauges and it does appear the holes and odometers > are a match. The needle does not match either one but is very similar > if not identical to older Jaguar gauges. Or perhaps it's a generic > replacement part? The only anomoly left is the painted clock. A TD > gauge would have had a clock so why go with an aftermarket face with a > painted one? I'm guessing that both gauge faces are repros. > > I believe these gauges were replaced about 10 years ago, perhaps more. > Is it possible that Moss was making TC replacement gauges from TD > units before they began making full replacement TC ones? That would > certainly explain the faces. > > Thanks for all the info! > > - Steve S aka Mr.xxx > - TC8975, LA, CA > > > --- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "Paroor" wrote: > > Dear Mr.xxx, > > This speedo is a TD one (?) with a TC dial. This two > screws on > > the face discloses that. > > Madhu > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Steve S.]

Thanks, that makes sense. - Steve

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer and Hugh Pite" jenntoo@shaw.ca> To: "mavicator" websim@pacbell.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Speedometer - identifying original > Steve, the MOSS replacement gauges are essentially Triumph TR2/3 gauges with > a repro flat face attached. These Smiths gauges have no place to mount a > clock hence the painted, fixed time "clock". It is very unlikely that > anyone is making a TC chronometric speedo or tach. > The back of later TD gauges to not look even remotely like the ones in > your car. Besides that, it seems unlikely that anyone would use TD Jaeger > gauges to make a repro TC gauge since the former have been in short supply > for several decades. > Best Regards, Hugh Pite > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mavicator" websim@pacbell.net> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:43 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Speedometer - identifying original > > > > Thank you Mr. M! For that interesting and informative response I > > shall endevour to not forget to sign my posts. > > > > I looked up the TD gauges and it does appear the holes and odometers > > are a match. The needle does not match either one but is very similar > > if not identical to older Jaguar gauges. Or perhaps it's a generic > > replacement part? The only anomoly left is the painted clock. A TD > > gauge would have had a clock so why go with an aftermarket face with a > > painted one? I'm guessing that both gauge faces are repros. > > > > I believe these gauges were replaced about 10 years ago, perhaps more. > > Is it possible that Moss was making TC replacement gauges from TD > > units before they began making full replacement TC ones? That would > > certainly explain the faces. > > > > Thanks for all the info! > > > > - Steve S aka Mr.xxx > > - TC8975, LA, CA > > > > > > --- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "Paroor" wrote: > > > Dear Mr.xxx, > > > This speedo is a TD one (?) with a TC dial. This two > > screws on > > > the face discloses that. > > > Madhu