I agree with Roger- The big bearing of my Pinion (original bronze cage) was in great apparent conditions when I begin the dismantlebut collapsed and disintegrated at the first attempt of separation from the pinion, in very little pieces. I think that bad oil chosen fro P;Os, have corroded the bronze- I consider me very lucky that this happened during the revision- and not with the car on the road- Lesson Learned ALL NEW BEARINGS must be used on a 70 years old car rear axleThe reason of the R,A dismantle was the obvious flooding of oil on the rear brakes- that stopped in the garages this car for more than 10 yearsNOW all right with the -R.A.seal kit- new shafts-new hubs.and ALL new BEARINGscontrolled few weeks ago -after a year of severe use - all right. no flooding brakes-very little oil infiltration on the opposite face of the brake covers...... (suggestion well accepted) I hope that on the MG TC that go to the M-C-rally, same works was done from P-O. and experienced engineers haveonly controlled "if all are right" on this ACHILLE Heel of our MG Il Sabato 30 Dicembre 2017 15:20, "Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto: I see that they have worked on the engine, clutch & gearbox, but have done nothing to the back axle...big mistake, they could have quite a can of worms in there!!! Recently I received a diff. for rebuild which had obviously never seen the light of day for many years: the oil was black, very thick and VERY smelly! It would not have lasted long with normal road cruising, let alone on an arduous winter rally. So letg us hope the Monte Carlo TC is in better shape axle-wise. I'm sure we all wish the Blue Diamond lads every success, but would not be surprised to hear that they had to retire due to diff. or half-shaft problems... Season's Greetings Roger On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:32 AM, David Wardell dwardell@talktalk.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] You can read more about the TC in the Monte Carlo Classique on the T Register s website which contains links to where you can see John Lomas and Dan Hunter whilst travelling through the UK, and links to the live tracker they will have in the car for the whole event.They are extremely welcoming of T Type owners giving them support in their venture and good places to meet them are at their departure from Bicester Heritage on 30 January and at the Banbury departure on 1 February, as well as at Paisley Abbey in Glasgow for the main start of the event. http://www.mgcc.co.uk/t- register/news/ DavidOn 31 Dec 2017, at 09:55, Andrea VILLA searunner99@yahoo.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Just to reinforce Roger s comments. When we did the event in 2000, the other TC retired with half-shaft/back axle failure. Maybe worth a check up!David
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Duncan/Andrea:
Vintage gear lubes did incorporates sulphur and phosphates additives that were destructive to yellow metals in tranny & diff.bearings. However modern GL-1, , 4,& 5 year lubes have eliminated usage of these additives & are safe to use withYellow syncro. rings & bearing cages if these parts are still in usable condition. Call customer service at your favorite gear lube source (Castrol, Redline, Valvoline, et al to confirm.
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Andrea-The original factory installed brass caged R&M double row angular contact (ball) bearing is well known for falling apart and causing diff failure in the TC. Brass cages turned out to be a bad idea in the post War. Fortunately it is the only brass caged bearing in the differential, and can be accessed by removal of the pinion carrier if suspect. This can be done with the differential still mounted on the chassis. Of interest is the other original pinion bearing. It was a cylindrical roller bearing with bronze cage, and it was not known for disintegrating. Good bronze vs brass? The other 4 angular contact (ball) bearings inside the differential had steel cages. While any bearings will eventually wear out, only that one particular R&M (brass caged) pinion bearing is known to fall out. Once it is replaced with a good quality steel or bronze caged bearing, the original pinion setup should go a long time.Duncan- From: "Andrea VILLA searunner99@yahoo.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com>; David Wardell dwardell@talktalk.net> [b]Cc:[/b] MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, December 31, 2017 2:00 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Re: 2018 Monte Carlo Challenge by MG TC [1 Attachment] I agree with Roger- The big bearing of my Pinion (original bronze cage) was in great apparent conditions when I begin the dismantlebut collapsed and disintegrated at the first attempt of separation from the pinion, in very little pieces. I think that bad oil chosen fro P;Os, have corroded the bronze- I consider me very lucky that this happened during the revision- and not with the car on the road- Lesson Learned ALL NEW BEARINGS must be used on a 70 years old car rear axleThe reason of the R,A dismantle was the obvious flooding of oil on the rear brakes- that stopped in the garages this car for more than 10 yearsNOW all right with the -R.A.seal kit- new shafts-new hubs.and ALL new BEARINGscontrolled few weeks ago -after a year of severe use - all right. no flooding brakes-very little oil infiltration on the opposite face of the brake covers...... (suggestion well accepted) I hope that on the MG TC that go to the M-C-rally, same works was done from P-O. and experienced engineers haveonly controlled "if all are right" on this ACHILLE Heel of our MG Il Sabato 30 Dicembre 2017 15:20, "Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto: I see that they have worked on the engine, clutch & gearbox, but have done nothing to the back axle...big mistake, they could have quite a can of worms in there!!! Recently I received a diff. for rebuild which had obviously never seen the light of day for many years: the oil was black, very thick and VERY smelly! It would not have lasted long with normal road cruising, let alone on an arduous winter rally. So letg us hope the Monte Carlo TC is in better shape axle-wise. I'm sure we all wish the Blue Diamond lads every success, but would not be surprised to hear that they had to retire due to diff. or half-shaft problems... Season's Greetings Roger On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:32 AM, David Wardell dwardell@talktalk.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] You can read more about the TC in the Monte Carlo Classique on the T Register s website which contains links to where you can see John Lomas and Dan Hunter whilst travelling through the UK, and links to the live tracker they will have in the car for the whole event.They are extremely welcoming of T Type owners giving them support in their venture and good places to meet them are at their departure from Bicester Heritage on 30 January and at the Banbury departure on 1 February, as well as at Paisley Abbey in Glasgow for the main start of the event. http://www.mgcc.co.uk/t- register/news/ DavidOn Jan 1, 2018, at 1:23 AM, Duncan morelists@yahoo.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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