FW: help price

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey, all you guyz: Been tryna stay outta this political discussion, but David's remarks put me over the top, living as I do on the Niagara Frontier Canadian border, & longtime Canadian property owner. Guess what happens, people, when you socialize the hell outta yer places: taxed to DEATH!. They don't seem to get it, merrie England or Canada, that there's no free lunch. Where's Thatcher when we need her? Don TC 7993

>From: David Lodge wargs@Mac.com> >To: Colin Williams colinw@mweb.co.za>, i.thomson@talk21.com, >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] FW: help price >Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:22:28 -0700 > >Colin, >And speaking of the Third World, take Canada, for example, ("there's an >offer!"). When I came here in 1971 the $US was worth $1.10 Cdn. Then that >ghastly Pierre Trudeau's policies kicked in and the $Cdn went into >free-fall >where it now languishes at 66 cents US. Without intending to get off >topic, >I suggest that currencies are judged on government policy, or lack thereof. >Regards, David Lodge. > > > > > You guys should think how we feel in South Africa, 10 rand to the dollar >and > > 15 rand to the pound > > Bleeds us MG nuts dry. > > Colin > > Cape Town > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Lodge [mailto:wargs@Mac.com] > > Sent: 05 July 2002 04:25 > > To: i.thomson@talk21.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] FW: help price > > > > > > Ian, > > Very true; but I have always wondered why that should be, as US >restorations > > are, in my experience, far superior to those done in the UK. Is that >another > > example of the British public being robbed blind at every turn? > > Yours etc., David Lodge. > > > > > > > >> > >> It strikes me that our cars are worth considerably less in the US than > > where > >> they came from. A TC would have to be a real basket case to go for >only > > $8 - > >> $12 (adjusted for exchange rate) over here. This can be seen in the > > steady > >> stream of British cars which are regularly reimported for restoration. > > Far > >> from having no base value an unrestored car can in fact command a >premium > > over > >> here, especially if it has that genuine old car patina. I would agree > > though > >> that you cannot make money on a restoration. This is even more true >over > > here > >> as I would consider that a worthwhile restoration costs considerably >more > > than > >> market value, perhaps double. Of course I am talking about getting it > > done by > >> someone other than yourself, where you have to take labour costs into > > account. > >> Including notional labour costs in your own restoration can put up the > > price > >> even more (depending on how much you value your time at)as we amatuers > > take > >> longer. But then again we only do it for the satisfaction of saying "I > > did > >> that"; do! > >> n't we? > >> > >> Ian Thomson > >> > >> ----------- > >> > >> > >>> Robert, > >>> Sounds like it probably needs another restoration; paint, interior, > >>> mechanicals, chrome, wiring, etc. Without seeing it, I would bet it's > >>> probably worth $8-12k. Does it have the original engine? ETC... Many >old > >>> cars have no real base value unrestored. MGTD's are a good example, >the > > cost > >>> to properly restore a TD is about equal to their market value. How >much > > are > >>> correctly restored TC's actually selling for. Not asking prices, but >real > >>> sale figures. Drivers versus show cars? It's highly unlikely you could > > buy a > >>> TC cheap enough to make much money on it. But if you want a driving >TC, > > pay > >>> $10-12k, and plan on putting another $15k into it. Or, just buy a nice > > one > >>> for $20k and spend the summer driving it. > >>> I prefer the "project" aspect, and never expect to turn a profit. >Enjoy > > it. > >>> > >>> Ed > >>> TC 0275 > >>> TD 11951 > >>> > >>> Hello friends, > >>> Can someone from USA help Robert? > Thanks for your help > >>> Peter Forstner - TC6325 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------- > >> talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at > >> http://www.talk21.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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[David Lodge]

Quite so, Digital Don! Regards, David Lodge

> Hey, all you guyz: > > Been tryna stay outta this political discussion, but David's remarks put me > over the top, living as I do on the Niagara Frontier Canadian border, & > longtime Canadian property owner. > > Guess what happens, people, when you socialize the hell outta yer places: > taxed to DEATH!. They don't seem to get it, merrie England or Canada, that > there's no free lunch. Where's Thatcher when we need her? > > Don > TC 7993 > > >> From: David Lodge wargs@Mac.com> >> To: Colin Williams colinw@mweb.co.za>, i.thomson@talk21.com, >> mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] FW: help price >> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:22:28 -0700 >> >> Colin, >> And speaking of the Third World, take Canada, for example, ("there's an >> offer!"). When I came here in 1971 the $US was worth $1.10 Cdn. Then that >> ghastly Pierre Trudeau's policies kicked in and the $Cdn went into >> free-fall >> where it now languishes at 66 cents US. Without intending to get off >> topic, >> I suggest that currencies are judged on government policy, or lack thereof. >> Regards, David Lodge. >> >> >> >>> You guys should think how we feel in South Africa, 10 rand to the dollar >> and >>> 15 rand to the pound >>> Bleeds us MG nuts dry. >>> Colin >>> Cape Town >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Lodge [mailto:wargs@Mac.com] >>> Sent: 05 July 2002 04:25 >>> To: i.thomson@talk21.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] FW: help price >>> >>> >>> Ian, >>> Very true; but I have always wondered why that should be, as US >> restorations >>> are, in my experience, far superior to those done in the UK. Is that >> another >>> example of the British public being robbed blind at every turn? >>> Yours etc., David Lodge. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> It strikes me that our cars are worth considerably less in the US than >>> where >>>> they came from. A TC would have to be a real basket case to go for >> only >>> $8 - >>>> $12 (adjusted for exchange rate) over here. This can be seen in the >>> steady >>>> stream of British cars which are regularly reimported for restoration. >>> Far >>>> from having no base value an unrestored car can in fact command a >> premium >>> over >>>> here, especially if it has that genuine old car patina. I would agree >>> though >>>> that you cannot make money on a restoration. This is even more true >> over >>> here >>>> as I would consider that a worthwhile restoration costs considerably >> more >>> than >>>> market value, perhaps double. Of course I am talking about getting it >>> done by >>>> someone other than yourself, where you have to take labour costs into >>> account. >>>> Including notional labour costs in your own restoration can put up the >>> price >>>> even more (depending on how much you value your time at)as we amatuers >>> take >>>> longer. But then again we only do it for the satisfaction of saying "I >>> did >>>> that"; do! >>>> n't we? >>>> >>>> Ian Thomson >>>> >>>> ----------- >>>> >>>> >>>>> Robert, >>>>> Sounds like it probably needs another restoration; paint, interior, >>>>> mechanicals, chrome, wiring, etc. Without seeing it, I would bet it's >>>>> probably worth $8-12k. Does it have the original engine? ETC... Many >> old >>>>> cars have no real base value unrestored. MGTD's are a good example, >> the >>> cost >>>>> to properly restore a TD is about equal to their market value. How >> much >>> are >>>>> correctly restored TC's actually selling for. Not asking prices, but >> real >>>>> sale figures. Drivers versus show cars? It's highly unlikely you could >>> buy a >>>>> TC cheap enough to make much money on it. But if you want a driving >> TC, >>> pay >>>>> $10-12k, and plan on putting another $15k into it. Or, just buy a nice >>> one >>>>> for $20k and spend the summer driving it. >>>>> I prefer the "project" aspect, and never expect to turn a profit. >> Enjoy >>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>>> TC 0275 >>>>> TD 11951 >>>>> >>>>> Hello friends, >>>>> Can someone from USA help Robert? > Thanks for your help >>>>> Peter Forstner - TC6325 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------- >>>> talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at >>>> http://www.talk21.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >

[CFritz7001@aol.com]

In a message dated 7/6/2002 10:47:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anngene@bellsouth.net writes:

> since it's going to stay with me as long as I live I'll never have > to worry about getting anything out of it

Gene, My sentiments exactly !!!!! Regards, Carl Fritz TC # 6756 (Betsy) VA # 2009 S (Abigail) Gainesville, Florida

[Graham Knight]

Donald, Way off topic! I have a very different view about the wretched Thatcher and could express them at length - but I won't. Graham At 17:48 06/07/2002 +0000, Donald Wilkinson wrote:

>Hey, all you guyz: > >Been tryna stay outta this political discussion, but David's remarks put me >over the top, living as I do on the Niagara Frontier Canadian border, & >longtime Canadian property owner. > >Guess what happens, people, when you socialize the hell outta yer places: >taxed to DEATH!. They don't seem to get it, merrie England or Canada, that >there's no free lunch. Where's Thatcher when we need her? > >Don >TC 7993 > > > >From: David Lodge wargs@Mac.com> > >To: Colin Williams colinw@mweb.co.za>, i.thomson@talk21.com, > >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] FW: help price > >Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:22:28 -0700 > > > >Colin, > >And speaking of the Third World, take Canada, for example, ("there's an > >offer!"). When I came here in 1971 the $US was worth $1.10 Cdn. Then that > >ghastly Pierre Trudeau's policies kicked in and the $Cdn went into > >free-fall > >where it now languishes at 66 cents US. Without intending to get off > >topic, > >I suggest that currencies are judged on government policy, or lack thereof. > >Regards, David Lodge. > > > > > > > > > You guys should think how we feel in South Africa, 10 rand to the dollar > >and > > > 15 rand to the pound > > > Bleeds us MG nuts dry. > > > Colin > > > Cape Town > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Lodge [mailto:wargs@Mac.com] > > > Sent: 05 July 2002 04:25 > > > To: i.thomson@talk21.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] FW: help price > > > > > > > > > Ian, > > > Very true; but I have always wondered why that should be, as US > >restorations > > > are, in my experience, far superior to those done in the UK. Is that > >another > > > example of the British public being robbed blind at every turn? > > > Yours etc., David Lodge. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> It strikes me that our cars are worth considerably less in the US than > > > where > > >> they came from. A TC would have to be a real basket case to go for > >only > > > $8 - > > >> $12 (adjusted for exchange rate) over here. This can be seen in the > > > steady > > >> stream of British cars which are regularly reimported for restoration. > > > Far > > >> from having no base value an unrestored car can in fact command a > >premium > > > over > > >> here, especially if it has that genuine old car patina. I would agree > > > though > > >> that you cannot make money on a restoration. This is even more true > >over > > > here > > >> as I would consider that a worthwhile restoration costs considerably > >more > > > than > > >> market value, perhaps double. Of course I am talking about getting it > > > done by > > >> someone other than yourself, where you have to take labour costs into > > > account. > > >> Including notional labour costs in your own restoration can put up the > > > price > > >> even more (depending on how much you value your time at)as we amatuers > > > take > > >> longer. But then again we only do it for the satisfaction of saying "I > > > did > > >> that"; do! > > >> n't we? > > >> > > >> Ian Thomson > > >> > > >> ----------- > > >> > > >> > > >>> Robert, > > >>> Sounds like it probably needs another restoration; paint, interior, > > >>> mechanicals, chrome, wiring, etc. Without seeing it, I would bet it's > > >>> probably worth $8-12k. Does it have the original engine? ETC... Many > >old > > >>> cars have no real base value unrestored. MGTD's are a good example, > >the > > > cost > > >>> to properly restore a TD is about equal to their market value. How > >much > > > are > > >>> correctly restored TC's actually selling for. Not asking prices, but > >real > > >>> sale figures. Drivers versus show cars? It's highly unlikely you could > > > buy a > > >>> TC cheap enough to make much money on it. But if you want a driving > >TC, > > > pay > > >>> $10-12k, and plan on putting another $15k into it. Or, just buy a nice > > > one > > >>> for $20k and spend the summer driving it. > > >>> I prefer the "project" aspect, and never expect to turn a profit. > >Enjoy > > > it. > > >>> > > >>> Ed > > >>> TC 0275 > > >>> TD 11951 > > >>> > > >>> Hello friends, > > >>> Can someone from USA help Robert? > Thanks for your help > > >>> Peter Forstner - TC6325 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------------- > > >> talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at > > >> http://www.talk21.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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