Get a Mac

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey Sam: Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll like it". Don TC 7993

>From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie >having >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in relation >to >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > >Hara wrote: > >(yes it has a clip mark, Sam) > >Sam wrote: > >That brings up an important point. You know, if all the members agree NOT >to ever include attachments in their postings, it would serve as an >"instant" warning to everyone of the appearance of a tained e-mail. They'd >KNOW it didn't belong, and delete it immediately. There's no real need I >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can always >send an attachment separately directly to the peresonal e-mail address of >whoever they need it to go to > >Hara wrote: > >Previous Virus Scan. I could not find out why it did not alert me. > >Sam wrote: > >re-check and be sure it's activated..e-mail activates separately in the >newer Norton, it's not a default item. > >Hara wrote: > > One silly question: Would a mail WITHOUT attachment be 100% virus-free? > >Sam wrote: > >I think Chip would agree, it's about as close as possible, at this time, to >being the ONLY safe thing. I've said before I don't open ANY attachments. >Knowing the person sending it is a trusted source is no protection. He has >no way of knowing there's an attachment there. That's how viruses work. >Person sending it has to tell you before he's going to send it that it's an >attachment he's including, what it is, and what the source was. Ponderous, >but necessary. It's best to put such items in the body of the letter, >where >they can be looked at in the preview window, instead of using attachments >at >all. > >Chip wrote: > > > > > > I'm having trouble understanding why some Norton AV's aren't >responding > > > > to it, as mine goes crazy. I'm guesssing some of the Norton's out >there > > > > aren't of the type configured to scan e-mail OUTSIDE the portal, >before > > > > it enters the computer. > >Sam wrote: > >There are times when Windows can screw up in it's configuration, and >disable >a vital path to one program or another. One of my earlier versions of >Norton became disabled on several occasions by such events (as did other >programs). The latest pro version is pretty reliable, BUT, you have to >TELL >it you want it to monitor incoming e-mail when you install it. The Norton >window that opens when you activate Norton shows you at the top of the list >there whether e-mail protection is "on" or "off" You can turn it "off" and >the rest of Norton keeps working. I keep having problems with AT&T >Broadband, because they refuse support if you've got Norton turned on, and >tell you you have to turn it off, claiming that whatever e-mail problem you >have is Norton's fault. (which is pure bushwa). It's just their way of >ducking responsibility. > > > >Chip wrote: > > > > Possibly, although most recent anti-virus programs scan incoming >e-mail >by > > > default. In order for that not to happen, you'd have to intentionally > > > turn e-mail scanning off. More likely is that they have failed to keep > > > their anti-virus software up to date. That's the most common > > > virus-related problem I have with my customers (I'm an ISP in real >life). > >Sam wrote: >I agree. Particularly if you have an older version of anti-virus >protection. >But less than daily is dangerous. >That's how I found out. I got hit by a "new" virus between updates last >year, before I installed the automatic update version. when we installed >this latest Norton, I assumed (bad word) the e-mail scanning was a part of >the installation. Found out later I had to tell it to do that after it >installed. I have the type that scans at the portal, before the e-mail can >enter the computer...and yes, it does slow down your Outlook Express, but >it's worth the minor inconvenience. My programmer-kid caught that, and >gave >me a lecture. He points out that Windows is the weak link...says like a >condom, it breaks sometimes. > > > >Chip wrote: > > > If I used a PC, because of the rapid-fire release of new viruses I'd >run > > > my anti-virus software's database at least once a week. On a Mac it >isn't > > > as critical because new Mac viruses appear very infrequently. > >Sam wrote; > >I so often envy you Mac-owners. Nowdays, Norton's later versions check >daily automatically, but even that glitches occasionally, and they fail >to...I check daily to see what the last date it updated was, and if it's >been several days, I manually run an update just to be sure. Sometimes, of >course, it's because no new virus definitions have been sent, but it pays >to >be sure. I keep fighting this urge to just go buy a mac, and use it as a >separate computer for e-mail only. > >Best to all, > >Sam Suklis > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[seabrook@en.com]

Hay Don, I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we never get a virus. Craig Seabrook TC/0911 Donald Wilkinson wrote:

> > Hey Sam: > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll like it". > > Don > TC 7993 > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > >having > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in relation > >to > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can

[Ray]

Never get any programs, either.......well, maybe mail order! Best, Ray

----- Original Message ----- From: seabrook@en.com> To: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> Cc: ssp15@attbi.com>; fold@bcpl.net>; rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac > Hay Don, > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we > never get a virus. > > Craig Seabrook > TC/0911 > > > Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll like it". > > > > Don > > TC 7993 > > > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > > >having > > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in relation > > >to > > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[David & Joyce Edgar]

I also have a Mac, and love it. The only problem with everyone getting a Mac is that it would make it more attractive to virus builders, as a larger number of users would make creating a Mac virus more appealing to them. In the minority and love it, David Edgar, TC 5108 El Cajon, California At 10:42 AM -0500 4/21/02, seabrook@en.com wrote:

>Hay Don, > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we >never get a virus. > >Craig Seabrook >TC/0911 > > >Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, >you'll like it". > > > > Don > > TC 7993

[Charles Hill]

A less radical solution would be to dump Internet Explorer and use Netscape or Opera. Then there is Linux. I still wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but it getting better and more user-friendly all the time. No matter what you use, be careful. Mac and Linux users don't be too complacent. There are viri out there for them, too. Not as much a threat as to Microsoft users, but still there. Regards, Charles Hill

[Chip Old]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Charles Hill wrote to mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com:

> A less radical solution would be to dump Internet Explorer and use > Netscape or Opera.

That will prevent file attachments from opening automatically in a buggy (unpatched) version of Internet Explorer, Outlook, or Outlook Express. It won't make a bit of differencew if the recipient of infected e-mail is foolish enough to open the file attachment. That's how most virus infections occur.

> No matter what you use, be careful. Mac and Linux users don't be too > complacent. There are viri out there for them, too. Not as much a > threat as to Microsoft users, but still there.

Very true. There are very few viruses that affect "Classic" Macintosh OS computers (Mac OS 9.x and earlier), partly because Macintosh has a relatively small part of the personal computer market, but also because it is much more difficult to write viruses for Mac. On the other hand it is fairly easy to write viruses that affect UNIX (including LINUX) computers. UNIX viruses are seen often only because UNIX computers represent only a very small percentage of the desktop computer market. However, Mac users should be aware that the new Mac OS X operating system is FreeBSD UNIX with a fancy graphical user interface. Because it's easy to write UNIX viruses, I expect an increase in Mac viruses targeted at OS X. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[Donald Wilkinson]

Thass right, better computer by far, but no one knows it, hence no creeps bother to write Mac specific viri. Don TC 7993

>From: seabrook@en.com >To: Donald Wilkinson digitaldon@hotmail.com> >CC: ssp15@attbi.com, fold@bcpl.net, rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp, >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:42:35 -0500 > >Hay Don, > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we >never get a virus. > >Craig Seabrook >TC/0911 > > >Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll like >it". > > > > Don > > TC 7993 > > > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > > >having > > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in >relation > > >to > > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Donald Wilkinson]

What would you know???????????? Don TC 7993

>From: Ray Spook01@comcast.net> >To: seabrook@en.com, Donald Wilkinson digitaldon@hotmail.com> >CC: ssp15@attbi.com, fold@bcpl.net, rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp, >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:58:02 -0500 > >Never get any programs, either.......well, maybe mail order! >Best, >Ray >----- Original Message ----- >From: seabrook@en.com> >To: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> >Cc: ssp15@attbi.com>; fold@bcpl.net>; rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp>; >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:42 AM >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac > > > > Hay Don, > > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we > > never get a virus. > > > > Craig Seabrook > > TC/0911 > > > > > > Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll >like >it". > > > > > > Don > > > TC 7993 > > > > > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > > > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" >rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > > > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > > > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > > > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > > > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > > > >having > > > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in >relation > > > >to > > > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > > >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Donald Wilkinson]

Yer right. I better shut up & keep it a secret. Don TC 7993 PS: I got an "abnormal" T, also. Must make me all round weird. D

>From: David & Joyce Edgar djedgar@pacbell.net> >To: T-ABC list mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:37:08 -0700 > >I also have a Mac, and love it. The only problem with everyone >getting a Mac is that it would make it more attractive to virus >builders, as a larger number of users would make creating a Mac virus >more appealing to them. > >In the minority and love it, >David Edgar, TC 5108 >El Cajon, California > >At 10:42 AM -0500 4/21/02, seabrook@en.com wrote: > >Hay Don, > > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we > >never get a virus. > > > >Craig Seabrook > >TC/0911 > > > > > >Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, > >you'll like it". > > > > > > Don > > > TC 7993 > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Donald Wilkinson]

Yer right, Chuck. Those poor beknighted users of Wintel boxes are pretty much stuck w/Explorer. Netscape lots easier on Mac box. Dunno about Linux; my kid swears by it, however. Don TC 7993

>From: Charles Hill candahill@worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: candahill@worldnet.att.net >To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:37:03 -0500 > >A less radical solution would be to dump Internet Explorer and use >Netscape or Opera. > >Then there is Linux. I still wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but it >getting better and more user-friendly all the time. > >No matter what you use, be careful. Mac and Linux users don't be too >complacent. There are viri out there for them, too. Not as much a >threat as to Microsoft users, but still there. > >Regards, >Charles Hill > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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