Step down headlight rims

[Neil Nelson]

Thanks to all who responded to my request for the step down rims. As it turns out the owner of the car had a pair in the box of spares that came with the car. (Now he tells us....). Took my TC out for a spin today and the brakes are not much better than they used to be. It still "surges" to a stop with light pressure on the pedal and pulls hard to the left on a hard stop. I assume that the surge is out of round shoes or drums. Any ideas on what to do to cure this? I need to try something to make the car more pleasant to drive in the interim time before I spring for the new Alfin drums. Neil 46 TC 0526 47 TC 50 TD 71 MGBGT 74 MGB 55 TF (Which is a rough total basket case and for sale.)

[Robert Grunau]

Hi Neil, I would expect the steel TC drums are out of round. A shoe not fitting correctly will not cause a "surge". Jim Shades suggestion of a loose lining is a possibility. Also check a wheel cylinder is not hanging up. Jack up the front of the car and spin the wheels with light brake pedal pressure or adjust the linings so the shoes make contact. If you can feel the drum tighten up, then loosen, likely an out of round drum. I have a number of used TC drums for sale if you only need one or two. Also have new Alfin drums for sale. Regards, Bob Grunau -----Original Message----- From: Neil Nelson [mailto:nwnel@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:37 AM To: Mg-Tabc@Yahoogroups. Com Subject: [mg-tabc] Step down headlight rims Thanks to all who responded to my request for the step down rims. As it turns out the owner of the car had a pair in the box of spares that came with the car. (Now he tells us....). Took my TC out for a spin today and the brakes are not much better than they used to be. It still "surges" to a stop with light pressure on the pedal and pulls hard to the left on a hard stop. I assume that the surge is out of round shoes or drums. Any ideas on what to do to cure this? I need to try something to make the car more pleasant to drive in the interim time before I spring for the new Alfin drums. Neil --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2/8/02

[Frank O_ The Mountain]

In a message dated 2/17/02 22:10:45 Pacific Standard Time, nwnel@bellsouth.net writes: > I would rebuild all of my wheel cylinders as a first step.......sounds like one of them is rusted solid. Terry

[Dave Norris]

Neil, If the drums are out of round you could get them skimmed by someone with a brake lathe. I'm sure what the limits are for skimming drums, i.e. maximum inside diameter. Anyone have this information? Cheers, Dave TC9964 Sunny Aberdeen (well it was sunny earlier....)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Grunau" cgrunau@pathcom.com> To: "Neil Nelson" nwnel@bellsouth.net>; "Mg-Tabc@Yahoogroups. Com" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Step down headlight rims > Hi Neil, > I would expect the steel TC drums are out of round. A shoe not fitting > correctly will not cause a "surge". Jim Shades suggestion of a loose lining > is a possibility. Also check a wheel cylinder is not hanging up. Jack up the > front of the car and spin the wheels with light brake pedal pressure or > adjust the linings so the shoes make contact. If you can feel the drum > tighten up, then loosen, likely an out of round drum. > I have a number of used TC drums for sale if you only need one or two. > Also have new Alfin drums for sale. > Regards, Bob Grunau > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Nelson [mailto:nwnel@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:37 AM > To: Mg-Tabc@Yahoogroups. Com > Subject: [mg-tabc] Step down headlight rims > > Thanks to all who responded to my request for the step down rims. As it > turns out the owner of the car had a pair in the box of spares that came > with the car. (Now he tells us....). Took my TC out for a spin today and > the brakes are not much better than they used to be. It still "surges" to a > stop with light pressure on the pedal and pulls hard to the left on a hard > stop. I assume that the surge is out of round shoes or drums. Any ideas on > what to do to cure this? I need to try something to make the car more > pleasant to drive in the interim time before I spring for the new Alfin > drums. > > Neil > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2/8/02 > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Ray]

How much can you cut the steel drums? They aren't very thick.. Best Regards, Ray "Remember- It's the collision with the planet that counts!"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Norris" davenorris@breathemail.net> To: cgrunau@pathcom.com>; "Neil Nelson" nwnel@bellsouth.net>; "Mg-Tabc@Yahoogroups. Com" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Step down headlight rims > Neil, > If the drums are out of round you could get them skimmed by someone with a > brake lathe. I'm sure what the limits are for skimming drums, i.e. maximum > inside diameter. Anyone have this information? > Cheers, > Dave > TC9964 > Sunny Aberdeen (well it was sunny earlier....) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Grunau" cgrunau@pathcom.com> > To: "Neil Nelson" nwnel@bellsouth.net>; "Mg-Tabc@Yahoogroups. Com" > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:49 PM > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Step down headlight rims > > > > Hi Neil, > > I would expect the steel TC drums are out of round. A shoe not fitting > > correctly will not cause a "surge". Jim Shades suggestion of a loose > lining > > is a possibility. Also check a wheel cylinder is not hanging up. Jack up > the > > front of the car and spin the wheels with light brake pedal pressure or > > adjust the linings so the shoes make contact. If you can feel the drum > > tighten up, then loosen, likely an out of round drum. > > I have a number of used TC drums for sale if you only need one or two. > > Also have new Alfin drums for sale. > > Regards, Bob Grunau > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neil Nelson [mailto:nwnel@bellsouth.net] > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:37 AM > > To: Mg-Tabc@Yahoogroups. Com > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Step down headlight rims > > > > Thanks to all who responded to my request for the step down rims. As it > > turns out the owner of the car had a pair in the box of spares that came > > with the car. (Now he tells us....). Took my TC out for a spin today and > > the brakes are not much better than they used to be. It still "surges" to > a > > stop with light pressure on the pedal and pulls hard to the left on a hard > > stop. I assume that the surge is out of round shoes or drums. Any ideas > on > > what to do to cure this? I need to try something to make the car more > > pleasant to drive in the interim time before I spring for the new Alfin > > drums. > > > > Neil > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2/8/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Chip Old]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Dave Norris wrote:

> If the drums are out of round you could get them skimmed by someone > with a brake lathe. I'm sure what the limits are for skimming drums, > i.e. maximum inside diameter. Anyone have this information?

Problem is, the drums are already so thin they can't take much of a cut. And being steel rather than the more commonly used cast iron, it won't be long before they warp again. Warped steel drums might as well be thrown away, or sold to someone building a trailor queen. At one time there were cast iron replacement drums available that worked much better, but didn't look original. I don't know if they are still available. If you want the best possible braking performance with original appearance (or at least period aftermarket appearance), the best solution, although expensive, is a set of Alfin drums as supplied by Bob Gruneau and others. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[i.thomson@talk21.com]

While on this subject could I raise what is probably an old chestnut which I am sure you list veterans have already kicked around - that of the bands which some cars have had on the brake drums at one time. As I have only been lurking here for a few months and would be interested to know what the consensus is about this. When I bought my TC in 1966 (they were cheap enough for me to afford one then) it was fitted with these bands around the drums; presumably fitted as an aftermarket fix for the out of round problem. I expect they added an out of balance problem of their own though. I doubt if anybody fits them now; I certainly haven't seen any on a car, but I still have them hanging on the garage wall as a souvenir. Ian Thomson ----------

> On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Dave Norris wrote: > > If the drums are out of round you could get them skimmed by someone > with a brake lathe. I'm sure what the limits are for skimming drums, > i.e. maximum inside diameter. Anyone have this information? > >Problem is, the drums are already so thin they can't take much of a cut. >And being steel rather than the more commonly used cast iron, it won't be >long before they warp again. Warped steel drums might as well be thrown >away, or sold to someone building a trailor queen. > >At one time there were cast iron replacement drums available that worked >much better, but didn't look original. I don't know if they are still >available. If you want the best possible braking performance with >original appearance (or at least period aftermarket appearance), the best >solution, although expensive, is a set of Alfin drums as supplied by Bob >Gruneau and others. > >-- >Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 >Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E >fold@bcpl.net > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/'>[url=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>

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[Ray]

They did this on Model T Fords as well. The drums would go out of round...the bands prevented or ameliorated this problem. Best Regards, Ray "Remember- It's the collision with the planet that counts!"

----- Original Message ----- From: i.thomson@talk21.com> To: fold@bcpl.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Step down headlight rims > While on this subject could I raise what is probably an old chestnut which I am sure you list veterans have already kicked around - that of the bands which some cars have had on the brake drums at one time. As I have only been lurking here for a few months and would be interested to know what the consensus is about this. When I bought my TC in 1966 (they were cheap enough for me to afford one then) it was fitted with these bands around the drums; presumably fitted as an aftermarket fix for the out of round problem. I expect they added an out of balance problem of their own though. I doubt if anybody fits them now; I certainly haven't seen any on a car, but I still have them hanging on the garage wall as a souvenir. > > Ian Thomson > > ---------- > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Dave Norris wrote: > > > > If the drums are out of round you could get them skimmed by someone > > with a brake lathe. I'm sure what the limits are for skimming drums, > > i.e. maximum inside diameter. Anyone have this information? > > > >Problem is, the drums are already so thin they can't take much of a cut. > >And being steel rather than the more commonly used cast iron, it won't be > >long before they warp again. Warped steel drums might as well be thrown > >away, or sold to someone building a trailor queen. > > > >At one time there were cast iron replacement drums available that worked > >much better, but didn't look original. I don't know if they are still > >available. If you want the best possible braking performance with > >original appearance (or at least period aftermarket appearance), the best > >solution, although expensive, is a set of Alfin drums as supplied by Bob > >Gruneau and others. > > > >-- > >Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > >Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E > >fold@bcpl.net > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://docs.yahoo.com/info /terms/'>[url=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > > > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >