Re: DEFINITION T TYPES

AMafli@aol.com · Post by **AMafli@aol.com** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:58 am

Greetings: Some years ago I took [drove] my TC to an ABFM here on the West Coast. The winner of the T series classification was a certain 'TF.' To me it was a strange TF. The engine, gearbox and the differential were Volvo 2000. With the bonnet closed the car looked like a TF. It was reported that this 'TF' could do 95 on the freeway. As you know voting at ABFMs is by peoples choice. So these voters said that this car was the best of the T series present. Many of the other T series owners present, including myself, were not amused. Cheers. Art Mafli TC # 3467, TF # HDC46/9870, 1962 MkII RHD MGA, 1971 Porsche 911

DougPulver@aol.com · Post by **DougPulver@aol.com** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:35 am

Art, I also own a TF with a Volvo engine (B1800) and transmission. I must say that I totally agree with your non-amusement. (I bought the car that way, didn't perform the operation myself.) While I enjoy my car I would be very embarrassed to have it win "best T-Type" at a meet (although there will never be a danger of that since since Bill Harkins of this list always shows up with one of his cars any place I go). You point out one of the problems with a "Peoples' Choice" show. That would never happen in a legitimate judged show. BTW, while possible, 95 MPH in a T-type is pretty scary. Cheers, Doug Pulver TC 5850 (and TF "1800") In a message dated 1/27/2002 7:00:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, AMafli@aol.com writes:

Some years ago I took [drove] my TC to an ABFM here on the West Coast. The winner of the T series classification was a certain 'TF.' To me it was a strange TF. The engine, gearbox and the differential were Volvo 2000. With the bonnet closed the car looked like a TF. It was reported that this 'TF' could do 95 on the freeway. As you know voting at ABFMs is by peoples choice. So these voters said that this car was the best of the T series present. Many of the other T series owners present, including myself, were not amused

Chip Old · Post by **Chip Old** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:07 am

On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 DougPulver@aol.com wrote:

> I also own a TF with a Volvo engine (B1800) and transmission. I must > say that I totally agree with your non-amusement. (I bought the car > that way, didn't perform the operation myself.) While I enjoy my car I > would be very embarrassed to have it win "best T-Type" at a meet > (although there will never be a danger of that since since Bill > Harkins of this list always shows up with one of his cars any place I > go).

The B1800 (and similar) Volvo conversion was pretty popular at one time. There are (or were) a lot of TDs and TFs so equipped.

> You point out one of the problems with a "Peoples' Choice" show. That > would never happen in a legitimate judged show.

In what way is it a problem? A people's choice show gives the atendees the chance to select the car they like the most. It isn't a concours, and isn't intended to be. It has nothing to do with which car is most original, nothing to do with which car is best restored. It has nothing to do with anything except which car the attendees like best. That's all that matters in that type of show, and I see nothing wrong with that.

> BTW, while possible, 95 MPH in a T-type is pretty scary.

Only if the T-Type is in need of work that should be done anyway, no matter *how* fast or slow you intend to drive it. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 12:12 pm

As you know voting at ABFMs is by peoples choice. So these voters said that this car was the best of the T series present. Many of the other T series owners present, including myself, were not amused. I'll bet the owner of the MG/Volvo was tremendously amused. Badger

i.thomson@talk21.com · Post by **i.thomson@talk21.com** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:04 am

95 in a TC is verging on the dangerous....unless the brakes, suspension, and especially the steering is very modified (and not just with a Datsun box). The agricultural design of these items limits safety to around the 70-80 mark tops. Ian Thomson. -----------

> BTW, while possible, 95 MPH in a T-type is pretty scary. > >Only if the T-Type is in need of work that should be done anyway, no >matter *how* fast or slow you intend to drive it. > >-- >Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 >Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E >fold@bcpl.net > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/'>[url=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>

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C Sherriff · Post by **C Sherriff** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:53 am

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>95 in a TC is verging on the dangerous....unless the brakes, suspension,

and especially the steering is very modified (and not just with a Datsun box). The agricultural design of these items limits safety to around the 70-80 mark tops. Ian Thomson.

Chip Old · Post by **Chip Old** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:12 am

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 i.thomson@talk21.com wrote:

> 95 in a TC is verging on the dangerous....unless the brakes, > suspension, and especially the steering is very modified (and not just > with a Datsun box). The agricultural design of these items limits > safety to around the 70-80 mark tops.

I disagree. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

Tombutlercpa@cs.com · Post by **Tombutlercpa@cs.com** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:16 pm

I've heard that the T-types' front fenders begin to cup air at speed which will tend to lift the front wheels up and cause some loss of control. I've seen a TD set up for classic racing with louvered front fenders for just this reason.

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