Lucas

[Margaret Pavlinovich]

> Badger, > Your not by any chance suggesting that Cecil Kimber ( In

giuse)

> was responsible for the develemont of Beagle 2 ????? > Mind you IF you where a Martian, how who you like a Beagle 2 for a

Christmas

> present with or without oil leaks???? > > Can you hear me laughing from Perth Western Australia > Today Saturday max temp 35c.......no sign of snow!!! > > Morris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mrbadger" mrbadger@xtra.co.nz> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:40 AM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Lucas > > > > Does anyone know whether the unheard from, British built, Beagle 2 has > Lucas electricals? > > Is it possible to determine whether Beagle 2 made it to Mars by scanning > the Martian surface for oil leaks? > > Badger > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mg-tabc/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >

[R. Zwart]

You are barking up the wrong tree BOB ----- Santa Ana CA(now you know where I's from) mrbadger wrote:

>Does anyone know whether the unheard from, British built, Beagle 2 has Lucas electricals? >Is it possible to determine whether Beagle 2 made it to Mars by scanning the Martian surface for oil leaks? >Badger > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mg-tabc/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

[Sally Carroll]

Hey guys get off that particular band wagon. . . Lucas is/was Bad! Lucas had the capability to make much better products. . but MG wouldn't pay the required price. GM has/had the same credo "Don't tell me how to make it better, tell me how to make it cheaper" Only Rolls Royce, to my knowledge required the BEST QUALITY of every part in order to make a vehicle dependable and lasting, regardless of cost. And most owners of those had a full time mechanic/chauffeur to attend to them. They actually had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed employment and responsibility for those very nice luxury cars. Can you imagine Mr. Ferrari requiring any prospective owner to attend a school before being allowed to spend his money on a Dino? These days we have knockoffs of cheap goods. . cheaper still. And yes it's a painful fact of life that the current rotors in particular are not good reproductions. .. I too have had numerous problems with them. And with the carbon posts in Dizzy caps as well. Sally Carroll ---------- My scanner says No virus has been found in this outgoing message. I try to update frequently. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[vze4xyru]

No offense intended, but just to be fair to Mr Ferrari, the factory in the past has required a buyer of a model of the more powerful cars to be taught by factory drivers how to drive the cars correctly. This has not been the case for lesser models, among which the Dino was included. Pity the mechanics not in a Ferrari agency who have to deal with a Ferrari in trouble! We are lucky to have our cars from simpler times. Dick Little TA1326

----- Original Message ----- From: Sally Carroll To: barcc@eastlink.ca Cc: Group T ABC's Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Lucas Hey guys get off that particular band wagon. . . Lucas is/was Bad! Lucas had the capability to make much better products. . but MG wouldn't pay the required price. GM has/had the same credo "Don't tell me how to make it better, tell me how to make it cheaper" Only Rolls Royce, to my knowledge required the BEST QUALITY of every part in order to make a vehicle dependable and lasting, regardless of cost. And most owners of those had a full time mechanic/chauffeur to attend to them. They actually had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed employment and responsibility for those very nice luxury cars. Can you imagine Mr. Ferrari requiring any prospective owner to attend a school before being allowed to spend his money on a Dino? These days we have knockoffs of cheap goods. . cheaper still. And yes it's a painful fact of life that the current rotors in particular are not good reproductions. .. I too have had numerous problems with them. And with the carbon posts in Dizzy caps as well. Sally Carroll ---------- My scanner says No virus has been found in this outgoing message. I try to update frequently. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[1939mgtb]

*"They actually had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed employment and responsibility for those very nice luxury cars." myth And how about those late '70's RR? I had one. We called it the "stationary cloud" because it broke down so ofter. I lost a hubcap once.....$1200 bucks!! Frankly, Mercedes Benz built a better car.... Best, Ray "Save yourself for Kinky and save our friggin' state!" http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/index.html Kinky Friedman for Governor of Texas!!

----- Original Message ----- From: Sally Carroll To: barcc@eastlink.ca Cc: Group T ABC's Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Lucas Hey guys get off that particular band wagon. . . Lucas is/was Bad! Lucas had the capability to make much better products. . but MG wouldn't pay the required price. GM has/had the same credo "Don't tell me how to make it better, tell me how to make it cheaper" Only Rolls Royce, to my knowledge required the BEST QUALITY of every part in order to make a vehicle dependable and lasting, regardless of cost. And most owners of those had a full time mechanic/chauffeur to attend to them. They actually had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed employment and responsibility for those very nice luxury cars. Can you imagine Mr. Ferrari requiring any prospective owner to attend a school before being allowed to spend his money on a Dino? These days we have knockoffs of cheap goods. . cheaper still. And yes it's a painful fact of life that the current rotors in particular are not good reproductions. .. I too have had numerous problems with them. And with the carbon posts in Dizzy caps as well. Sally Carroll ---------- My scanner says No virus has been found in this outgoing message. I try to update frequently. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick Waters]

This thread seems to be about quality. I would say that there is sufficient evidence out there to show that new German cars (BMW and Mercedes) do not have great reliability. Never owned a Rolls, but the low production volume mitigated against the factory ever getting everything right. If quality means assembly fit and finish, plus reliability, the Japanese seem tough to beat. However, I happen to love the quirks and foibles of my old MG, and find my Acura to be completely characterless. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: Sally Carroll jim.n.sally.carroll@worldnet.att.net> To: barcc@eastlink.ca Cc: Group T ABC's mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:40:02 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Lucas Hey guys get off that particular band wagon. . . Lucas is/was Bad! Lucas had the capability to make much better products. . but MG wouldn't pay the required price. GM has/had the same credo "Don't tell me how to make it better, tell me how to make it cheaper" Only Rolls Royce, to my knowledge required the BEST QUALITY of every part in order to make a vehicle dependable and lasting, regardless of cost. And most owners of those had a full time mechanic/chauffeur to attend to them. They actually had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed employment and responsibility for those very nice luxury cars. Can you imagine Mr. Ferrari requiring any prospective owner to attend a school before being allowed to spend his money on a Dino? These days we have knockoffs of cheap goods. . cheaper still. And yes it's a painful fact of life that the current rotors in particular are not good reproductions. .. I too have had numerous problems with them. And with the carbon posts in Dizzy caps as well. Sally Carroll ---------- My scanner says No virus has been found in this outgoing message. I try to update frequently. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chip Hellie]

Rick, Seems like we've been through this before... BMW bashing. Don't know what your evidence for BMW's reliability is, but coming from someone who uses 2 BMW's as daily drivers, they are without question the most trouble free car I have ever known. Both my cars have over 140,000 on them and other than tires and brake pads there has been zip spent on them. Never even plug changes. A TC would be on it's 2nd engine overhaul, my Fathers Roll's Royce's were always having problems, more than my TC's! I like the TC because you can fix about anything with just a few simple tools. Your Jap cars you have to buy a new component, no adjusting it. I have a friend with an Acura and they are always having some little problem. Last week the fuel door and trunk wouldn't unlock. Nice! Out of gas and nothing short of a crowbar to get fuel in! TC has no problems there. I think I like the TC for being so simple and can excuse it's short comings. Afterall, I'd rather look at it than drive it. It looks better than it really is. If anyone is still reading this, I suppose my last sentence should receive some replies. Chip --- Rick Waters rwmgtc@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> This thread seems to be about quality. I would say > that there is sufficient evidence out there to show > that new German cars (BMW and Mercedes) do not have > great reliability. Never owned a Rolls, but the low > production volume mitigated against the factory ever > getting everything right. > > If quality means assembly fit and finish, plus > reliability, the Japanese seem tough to beat. > > However, I happen to love the quirks and foibles of > my old MG, and find my Acura to be completely > characterless. > > -Rick Waters > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sally Carroll > jim.n.sally.carroll@worldnet.att.net> > To: barcc@eastlink.ca > Cc: Group T ABC's mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:40:02 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Lucas > > > Hey guys get off that particular band wagon. . . > Lucas is/was Bad! > Lucas had the capability to make much better > products. . but MG wouldn't pay the required price. > GM has/had the same credo "Don't tell me how to make > it better, tell me how to make it cheaper" > > Only Rolls Royce, to my knowledge required the BEST > QUALITY of every part in order to make a vehicle > dependable and lasting, regardless of cost. > And most owners of those had a full time > mechanic/chauffeur to attend to them. They actually > had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed > employment and responsibility for those very nice > luxury cars. Can you imagine Mr. Ferrari requiring > any prospective owner to attend a school before > being allowed to spend his money on a Dino? > > These days we have knockoffs of cheap goods. . > cheaper still. > And yes it's a painful fact of life that the current > rotors in particular are not good reproductions. .. > I too have had numerous problems with them. And with > the carbon posts in Dizzy caps as well. > > Sally Carroll > > ---------- > > My scanner says No virus has been found in this > outgoing message. > I try to update frequently. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - > Release Date: 6/13/2006 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >

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[Rothgene Roth]

Chip, At 64,000 miles my 1995 740i dropped a bolt out of the oil pump into the drive chain, result over $6,000.00 repair bill, out of warranty about 6 mo's. the factory said tough. By the way BMW extended the mileage warranty to 100,000, I wonder why? Just thought you might be interested in this. My next car? not a BMW. Gene Roth

----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Helliechiphelli@yahoo.com> To: Rick Watersrwmgtc@yahoo.ca> ; Sally Carrolljim.n.sally.carroll@worldnet.att.net> ; barcc@eastlink.cabarcc@eastlink.ca> Cc: Group T ABC'smg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Lucas Rick, Seems like we've been through this before... BMW bashing. Don't know what your evidence for BMW's reliability is, but coming from someone who uses 2 BMW's as daily drivers, they are without question the most trouble free car I have ever known. Both my cars have over 140,000 on them and other than tires and brake pads there has been zip spent on them. Never even plug changes. A TC would be on it's 2nd engine overhaul, my Fathers Roll's Royce's were always having problems, more than my TC's! I like the TC because you can fix about anything with just a few simple tools. Your Jap cars you have to buy a new component, no adjusting it. I have a friend with an Acura and they are always having some little problem. Last week the fuel door and trunk wouldn't unlock. Nice! Out of gas and nothing short of a crowbar to get fuel in! TC has no problems there. I think I like the TC for being so simple and can excuse it's short comings. Afterall, I'd rather look at it than drive it. It looks better than it really is. If anyone is still reading this, I suppose my last sentence should receive some replies. Chip --- Rick Waters rwmgtc@yahoo.carwmgtc@yahoo.ca>> wrote: > This thread seems to be about quality. I would say > that there is sufficient evidence out there to show > that new German cars (BMW and Mercedes) do not have > great reliability. Never owned a Rolls, but the low > production volume mitigated against the factory ever > getting everything right. > > If quality means assembly fit and finish, plus > reliability, the Japanese seem tough to beat. > > However, I happen to love the quirks and foibles of > my old MG, and find my Acura to be completely > characterless. > > -Rick Waters > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sally Carroll > jim.n.sally.carroll@worldnet.att.netjim.n.sally.carroll@worldnetatt.net>> > To: barcc@eastlink.cabarcc@eastlink.ca> > Cc: Group T ABC's mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:40:02 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Lucas > > > Hey guys get off that particular band wagon. . . > Lucas is/was Bad! > Lucas had the capability to make much better > products. . but MG wouldn't pay the required price. > GM has/had the same credo "Don't tell me how to make > it better, tell me how to make it cheaper" > > Only Rolls Royce, to my knowledge required the BEST > QUALITY of every part in order to make a vehicle > dependable and lasting, regardless of cost. > And most owners of those had a full time > mechanic/chauffeur to attend to them. They actually > had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed > employment and responsibility for those very nice > luxury cars. Can you imagine Mr. Ferrari requiring > any prospective owner to attend a school before > being allowed to spend his money on a Dino? > > These days we have knockoffs of cheap goods. . > cheaper still. > And yes it's a painful fact of life that the current > rotors in particular are not good reproductions. .. > I too have had numerous problems with them. And with > the carbon posts in Dizzy caps as well. > > Sally Carroll > > ---------- > > My scanner says No virus has been found in this > outgoing message. > I try to update frequently. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - > Release Date: 6/13/2006 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Lodge]

Bravo Sally. Well said! All the best, David Lodge --- Sally Carroll jim.n.sally.carroll@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Hey guys get off that particular band wagon. . . > Lucas is/was Bad! > Lucas had the capability to make much better > products. . but MG wouldn't pay the required price. > GM has/had the same credo "Don't tell me how to make > it better, tell me how to make it cheaper" > > Only Rolls Royce, to my knowledge required the BEST > QUALITY of every part in order to make a vehicle > dependable and lasting, regardless of cost. > And most owners of those had a full time > mechanic/chauffeur to attend to them. They actually > had to be trained at the Rolls factory to be allowed > employment and responsibility for those very nice > luxury cars. Can you imagine Mr. Ferrari requiring > any prospective owner to attend a school before > being allowed to spend his money on a Dino? > > These days we have knockoffs of cheap goods. . > cheaper still. > And yes it's a painful fact of life that the current > rotors in particular are not good reproductions. .. > I too have had numerous problems with them. And > with the carbon posts in Dizzy caps as well. > > Sally Carroll > > > > ---------- > > My scanner says No virus has been found in this > outgoing message. > I try to update frequently. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - > Release Date: 6/13/2006 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >

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[davjak@aol.com]

Gee I wish my Lexus was less reliable. Just replaced the first clutch at 240K miles. I feel guilty trading it in but know its time is near. Anyone have the new 3 series BMW E90? How is it? I would buy another Lexus but they won't give me the manual trans. with the big engine. Sorry for the thread hijacking. Just could not resist. Dave TC with working original generator&starter both with Lucas stamped on them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]