Spark Plugs

[Chip Hellie]

Old Chip, OK buddie, You asked for it... Lets see. I was a pretty good Flattrack racer back long ago, and I was the points leader one season. I was using Champion Platnum fine wire tip plugs, the best Champion made at that time. I fowled two plugs at two different events. Engine flat quit. The first time, I figured it was one of those things. Cold engine, fat mixture, long wait at start line etc. Crapped out before I let the clutch out! The second time it happened I asked My fellow racers what they were using. All were running NJKs, ND's etc. When I told them I was running Champions they ALL said I was nuts. They all had experianced trouble with them. I lost the points lead that season because of those two DNF's. I used NGK and never had anymore problems. Case#2 I used to do tune ups for people with british cars. MGB came in, I put in plugs, points, condensor,rotor,cap and wires. I use to pull the dist out, made it easier to put parts in, check advance function etc. I made the mistake of pulling carbs too, and replacing worn shafts. When I finished, car wouldn't start. I spend hours checking and rechecking everything I had done. Timing, firing order, carbs etc. Just could get an pop once in a while. I started putting the old electrical parts back. When I put the old crappy plugs back in (not champions) the car started up and purred! The entire box of plugs were defective. They wouldn't fire across the tip, They were soaked and fowled. I took them back, I told this incredable story to the parts guy, he said it wasn't the first time hes had returns on Champions. Case#3. My Nephew works for Team Rahal, As in Bobby Rahal. I attened a Gold cup Kart race in which Graham Rahal, Bobbys kid won. The next day, he was leading(by a country mile) the last race, when guess what? The engine started to miss and on the last lap crapped out. I said to my Nephew,"you must be running Champions". He said they were. and why did I ask? Last case, My Girlfriend worked at a Big A parts store here. She even knows they are crap. All the parts counter guys would try to steer people away from them. They had a higher than normal complaint problem from Champions than any other brand. Ask your local counter guy. If he's older than 16 that is. If he's been around a long time, bet he agrees with me. Maybe They have improved recently,but for me, twice bitten, twice shy. Young Chip --- Chip Old fold@bcpl.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:49 -0700, Chip Hellie wrote: > > > Anyone who thinks about using Champion plugs is > asking for problems. I > > and many others swear they are junk. Serious > racers stay away from them. > > I have been let down by them more than once. Yuck. > Use anybody elses. > > And others of us swear by Champions. If you're > going to make blanket > pronouncements like that, at least provide some > details. > > -- > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 > XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO > CT3479E > fold@bcpl.net > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Chip Old]

What can I say except "shrug". My experience with Champion plugs has been very good, in a wide variety of cars used a wide variety of ways. As for asking the local parts counter guys, you must be kidding. I don't know how they grow them in your neck of the woods, but the average parts counter guy around here doesn't know squat about the stuff he sells. He pushes what management tells him to push, which generally means the brand with the highest markup. On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:28 -0700, Young (allegedly) Chip wrote to Old Chip::

> Old Chip, > OK buddie, You asked for it... > > Lets see. I was a pretty good Flattrack racer back > long ago, and I was the points leader one season. I > was using Champion Platnum fine wire tip plugs, the > best Champion made at that time. I fowled two plugs at > two different events. Engine flat quit. The first > time, I figured it was one of those things. Cold > engine, fat mixture, long wait at start line etc. > Crapped out before I let the clutch out! The second > time it happened I asked My fellow racers what they > were using. All were running NJKs, ND's etc. When I > told them I was running Champions they ALL said I was > nuts. They all had experianced trouble with them. I > lost the points lead that season because of those two > DNF's. I used NGK and never had anymore problems. > > Case#2 > I used to do tune ups for people with british cars. > MGB came in, I put in plugs, points, > condensor,rotor,cap and wires. I use to pull the dist > out, made it easier to put parts in, check advance > function etc. I made the mistake of pulling carbs too, > and replacing worn shafts. When I finished, car > wouldn't start. I spend hours checking and rechecking > everything I had done. Timing, firing order, carbs > etc. Just could get an pop once in a while. I started > putting the old electrical parts back. When I put the > old crappy plugs back in (not champions) the car > started up and purred! The entire box of plugs were > defective. They wouldn't fire across the tip, They > were soaked and fowled. I took them back, I told this > incredable story to the parts guy, he said it wasn't > the first time hes had returns on Champions. > Case#3. > My Nephew works for Team Rahal, As in Bobby Rahal. I > attened a Gold cup Kart race in which Graham Rahal, > Bobbys kid won. The next day, he was leading(by a > country mile) the last race, when guess what? The > engine started to miss and on the last lap crapped > out. I said to my Nephew,"you must be running > Champions". He said they were. and why did I ask? > > Last case, > My Girlfriend worked at a Big A parts store here. She > even knows they are crap. All the parts counter guys > would try to steer people away from them. They had a > higher than normal complaint problem from Champions > than any other brand. > > Ask your local counter guy. If he's older than 16 that > is. If he's been around a long time, bet he agrees > with me. Maybe They have improved recently,but for me, > twice bitten, twice shy. > > Young Chip > > > --- Chip Old fold@bcpl.net> wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:49 -0700, Chip Hellie wrote: > > > > > Anyone who thinks about using Champion plugs is > > asking for problems. I > > > and many others swear they are junk. Serious > > racers stay away from them. > > > I have been let down by them more than once. Yuck. > > Use anybody elses. > > > > And others of us swear by Champions. If you're > > going to make blanket > > pronouncements like that, at least provide some > > details. > > > > -- > > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 > > XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO > > CT3479E > > fold@bcpl.net > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

-- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 Baltimore County Public Library 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204 USA

[pauldcamp]

Alan I use NGK BP6HS have done for several years with good results.I will be at Silverstone for the three days as my car is in the display of T types commemorating 40 years of the MG T Register paul TC3348

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Turner" alan@g4uut.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Mg-Tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > Hi Everyone, > I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a lapse of 17 years !!! > > The exhaust system has been replaced with a "standard" s/s one as that > fitted would have been socially acceptable these days(stainless front pipe, > TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). However this has caused the > mixture to be too rich, and of course we have unleaded petrol and the car is > missing. > > The first thing I intend trying is a new set of spark plugs, the present > ones are NGK B6ES, > has any body reason to suggest that I try a different type considering the > fuel. > > There is a filling station about 4 miles away which still retails 4 star > leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using unleaded with an additive at > first and get the head converted over the winter. > > Regards > > Alan Turner > TC 9752 > > I will be at Silverstone, hopefully. > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Ray]

So the time the NGK center electrode dropped out of the plug into the wife's Jag engine, reducing it to scrap in about two nanoseconds was....a fluke? They DID send me another plug when I complained...nice. Champion plugs had little or no technical development for some time due to the fact that the cheap-ass family members who inherited the company were too busy using the money for booze and broads. This has changed, and the new Champions are regaining the perch lost a few years ago. NGK, ND, Bosch, and a couple of others make decent plugs, too. This thread is sort of like the "what position do you like for sex" thing. Don't bother the counter morons; if the computer doesn't know, neither do they. Best, Ray "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize." -SW

----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Old To: MG-TABC Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: AW: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs What can I say except "shrug". My experience with Champion plugs has been very good, in a wide variety of cars used a wide variety of ways. As for asking the local parts counter guys, you must be kidding. I don't know how they grow them in your neck of the woods, but the average parts counter guy around here doesn't know squat about the stuff he sells. He pushes what management tells him to push, which generally means the brand with the highest markup. On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:28 -0700, Young (allegedly) Chip wrote to Old Chip:: > Old Chip, > OK buddie, You asked for it... > > Lets see. I was a pretty good Flattrack racer back > long ago, and I was the points leader one season. I > was using Champion Platnum fine wire tip plugs, the > best Champion made at that time. I fowled two plugs at > two different events. Engine flat quit. The first > time, I figured it was one of those things. Cold > engine, fat mixture, long wait at start line etc. > Crapped out before I let the clutch out! The second > time it happened I asked My fellow racers what they > were using. All were running NJKs, ND's etc. When I > told them I was running Champions they ALL said I was > nuts. They all had experianced trouble with them. I > lost the points lead that season because of those two > DNF's. I used NGK and never had anymore problems. > > Case#2 > I used to do tune ups for people with british cars. > MGB came in, I put in plugs, points, > condensor,rotor,cap and wires. I use to pull the dist > out, made it easier to put parts in, check advance > function etc. I made the mistake of pulling carbs too, > and replacing worn shafts. When I finished, car > wouldn't start. I spend hours checking and rechecking > everything I had done. Timing, firing order, carbs > etc. Just could get an pop once in a while. I started > putting the old electrical parts back. When I put the > old crappy plugs back in (not champions) the car > started up and purred! The entire box of plugs were > defective. They wouldn't fire across the tip, They > were soaked and fowled. I took them back, I told this > incredable story to the parts guy, he said it wasn't > the first time hes had returns on Champions. > Case#3. > My Nephew works for Team Rahal, As in Bobby Rahal. I > attened a Gold cup Kart race in which Graham Rahal, > Bobbys kid won. The next day, he was leading(by a > country mile) the last race, when guess what? The > engine started to miss and on the last lap crapped > out. I said to my Nephew,"you must be running > Champions". He said they were. and why did I ask? > > Last case, > My Girlfriend worked at a Big A parts store here. She > even knows they are crap. All the parts counter guys > would try to steer people away from them. They had a > higher than normal complaint problem from Champions > than any other brand. > > Ask your local counter guy. If he's older than 16 that > is. If he's been around a long time, bet he agrees > with me. Maybe They have improved recently,but for me, > twice bitten, twice shy. > > Young Chip > > > --- Chip Old fold@bcpl.net> wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:49 -0700, Chip Hellie wrote: > > > > > Anyone who thinks about using Champion plugs is > > asking for problems. I > > > and many others swear they are junk. Serious > > racers stay away from them. > > > I have been let down by them more than once. Yuck. > > Use anybody elses. > > > > And others of us swear by Champions. If you're > > going to make blanket > > pronouncements like that, at least provide some > > details. > > > > -- > > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 > > XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO > > CT3479E > > fold@bcpl.net > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Chip Old (Francis E. Old) E-Mail: fold@bcpl.net Manager, BCPL Network Services Phone: 410-887-6180 Manager, BCPL.NET Internet Services FAX: 410-887-2091 Baltimore County Public Library 320 York Road Towson, MD 21204 USA Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Marty Walters]

About six years ago I purchased my 48 TC 5979 in several boxes. It is now assembled sans paint and all the chatter about plugs brings me to ask about an unused? set of NOS? plugs which came with the car. They are K-L-G brand TFS30. Marty Walters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[DAVID RICHMOND]

Does anyone in the group know of a website that gives applications and cross reference data for pre and early post war vehicles ? only I have unearthed a stock of of old Lodge and KLG plugs and would like to find out what they fit, Dave Richmond (TC 361} [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim or Jan Sullivan]

Hi Dave, Did you find the web site for the KLG plugs? I have an old Robert Bosch Spark Plug book with several pages of cross reference in it if you need it I could try to send. It says the proper KLG for the TC is F80 but I think that maybe the F75 and F70 might also work. Bosch W 175 T1. Lodge HF2H. and Champion L-10S original, became L 7 then L 85. Jim Sullivan TC7517 EXU

[Bob Grunau]

Champion L10S became L7 became L85 and now all three replaced by Champion 811/L82C according to my 2003 Champion catalogue. Bob Grunau -----Original Message----- From: Jim or Jan Sullivan [mailto:jorjsullivan@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:41 AM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; DAVID RICHMOND Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] spark plugs Hi Dave, Did you find the web site for the KLG plugs? I have an old Robert Bosch Spark Plug book with several pages of cross reference in it if you need it I could try to send. It says the proper KLG for the TC is F80 but I think that maybe the F75 and F70 might also work. Bosch W 175 T1. Lodge HF2H. and Champion L-10S original, became L 7 then L 85. Jim Sullivan TC7517 EXU Yahoo! Groups Links

[49 MG TC]

Hello again group; I have another question; What spark plugs are supposed to work in a TC? If it matters I am at 7300 feet above seal level. Are the plugs or a comparable plug available at the parts store or is this a Moss thing? While on the subject are points available locally or would that also be a Moss thing? Thanks for your help. Bud Silvers TC 8192 - Low n slo in the Black Forest of Colorado.....

[MIKEFRAN@aol.com]

Bud This is another subject that everybody has an opinion about. I ran Champions for years but lately have had better luck with NGK B6HS which are readily available at Napa or Autozone. I have never seen altitude affect spark plug performance but for what its worth I live in Littleton just a 1000 feet lower than you. Mike Francks TC8332 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]