Spark Plugs

[Alan Turner]

Hi Everyone, I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a lapse of 17 years !!! The exhaust system has been replaced with a "standard" s/s one as that fitted would have been socially acceptable these days(stainless front pipe, TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). However this has caused the mixture to be too rich, and of course we have unleaded petrol and the car is missing. The first thing I intend trying is a new set of spark plugs, the present ones are NGK B6ES, has any body reason to suggest that I try a different type considering the fuel. There is a filling station about 4 miles away which still retails 4 star leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using unleaded with an additive at first and get the head converted over the winter. Regards Alan Turner TC 9752 I will be at Silverstone, hopefully.

[KEN PORTER]

Alan: I have been using Champion L86c plugs for years with no problems. Ken TC 4147 Alan Turner wrote:

>Hi Everyone, >I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a lapse of 17 years !!! > >The exhaust system has been replaced with a "standard" s/s one as that >fitted would have been socially acceptable these days(stainless front pipe, >TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). However this has caused the >mixture to be too rich, and of course we have unleaded petrol and the car is >missing. > >The first thing I intend trying is a new set of spark plugs, the present >ones are NGK B6ES, >has any body reason to suggest that I try a different type considering the >fuel. > >There is a filling station about 4 miles away which still retails 4 star >leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using unleaded with an additive at >first and get the head converted over the winter. > >Regards > >Alan Turner >TC 9752 > >I will be at Silverstone, hopefully. > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

[Peter Roberts]

You may also consider using a leaner needle in the carbs. I downloaded a program some time ago that provides a very sophisticated method for adjusting lean/rich across a range of rpm in SU carbs. I will try to find it and send to you. _Peter TC0604

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Porter" kwcp@optonline.net> To: "Alan Turner" alan@g4uut.freeserve.co.uk> Cc: "Mg-Tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > Alan: > I have been using Champion L86c plugs for years with no problems. > Ken TC 4147 > > Alan Turner wrote: > > >Hi Everyone, > >I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a lapse of 17 years !!! > > > >The exhaust system has been replaced with a "standard" s/s one as that > >fitted would have been socially acceptable these days(stainless front pipe, > >TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). However this has caused the > >mixture to be too rich, and of course we have unleaded petrol and the car is > >missing. > > > >The first thing I intend trying is a new set of spark plugs, the present > >ones are NGK B6ES, > >has any body reason to suggest that I try a different type considering the > >fuel. > > > >There is a filling station about 4 miles away which still retails 4 star > >leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using unleaded with an additive at > >first and get the head converted over the winter. > > > >Regards > > > >Alan Turner > >TC 9752 > > > >I will be at Silverstone, hopefully. > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Peter Roberts]

Done! _Peter TC0604

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Fritz" carlmgtc@hotmail.com> To: "Peter Roberts" mgtc@attbi.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > Peter, > May I suggest that you post the program for SU carbs to the TABC > website?? I'm sure that many of us will be very interested in seeing it! > Regards, > Carl Fritz > TC # 6756 (Betsy) > VA # 2009 (Abigail) > Gainesville, Florida > e-mail: carlmgtc@hotmail.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[paroor@t-online.de]

Can one use champion L 82C plugs ? The person in the Mg shop recommended it ? best regards madhu TC 0448 -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Peter Roberts [mailto:mgtc@attbi.com] Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juni 2003 23:33 An: Alan Turner; Ken Porter Cc: Mg-Tabc Betreff: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs You may also consider using a leaner needle in the carbs. I downloaded a program some time ago that provides a very sophisticated method for adjusting lean/rich across a range of rpm in SU carbs. I will try to find it and send to you. _Peter TC0604

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Porter" kwcp@optonline.net> To: "Alan Turner" alan@g4uut.freeserve.co.uk> Cc: "Mg-Tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > Alan: > I have been using Champion L86c plugs for years with no problems. > Ken TC 4147 > > Alan Turner wrote: > > >Hi Everyone, > >I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a lapse of 17 years !!! > > > >The exhaust system has been replaced with a "standard" s/s one as that > >fitted would have been socially acceptable these days(stainless front pipe, > >TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). However this has caused the > >mixture to be too rich, and of course we have unleaded petrol and the car is > >missing. > > > >The first thing I intend trying is a new set of spark plugs, the present > >ones are NGK B6ES, > >has any body reason to suggest that I try a different type considering the > >fuel. > > > >There is a filling station about 4 miles away which still retails 4 star > >leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using unleaded with an additive at > >first and get the head converted over the winter. > > > >Regards > > > >Alan Turner > >TC 9752 > > > >I will be at Silverstone, hopefully. > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Chip Hellie]

Hi Anyone who thinks about using Champion plugs is asking for problems. I and many others swear they are junk. Serious racers stay away from them. I have been let down by them more than once. Yuck. Use anybody elses. Chip --- paroor@t-online.de wrote:

> Can one use champion L 82C plugs ? The person in > the Mg shop recommended it > ? > > best regards > madhu TC 0448 > > -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Peter Roberts [mailto:mgtc@attbi.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juni 2003 23:33 > An: Alan Turner; Ken Porter > Cc: Mg-Tabc > Betreff: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > > > You may also consider using a leaner needle in the > carbs. > > I downloaded a program some time ago that provides a > very sophisticated > method for adjusting lean/rich across a range of rpm > in SU carbs. I will > try to find it and send to you. > > > _Peter > TC0604 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Porter" kwcp@optonline.net> > To: "Alan Turner" alan@g4uut.freeserve.co.uk> > Cc: "Mg-Tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > > > > Alan: > > I have been using Champion L86c plugs for years > with no problems. > > Ken TC 4147 > > > > Alan Turner wrote: > > > > >Hi Everyone, > > >I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a > lapse of 17 years !!! > > > > > >The exhaust system has been replaced with a > "standard" s/s one as that > > >fitted would have been socially acceptable these > days(stainless front > pipe, > > >TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). > However this has caused > the > > >mixture to be too rich, and of course we have > unleaded petrol and the car > is > > >missing. > > > > > >The first thing I intend trying is a new set of > spark plugs, the present > > >ones are NGK B6ES, > > >has any body reason to suggest that I try a > different type considering > the > > >fuel. > > > > > >There is a filling station about 4 miles away > which still retails 4 star > > >leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using > unleaded with an additive > at > > >first and get the head converted over the winter. > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >Alan Turner > > >TC 9752 > > > > > >I will be at Silverstone, hopefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Peter Cole]

Hi everyone, While we're on the spark plug thread, I still have for sale a quantity of original Champion L-11-S plugs as specified by the factory for the TC when fitted with the Shorrocks supercharger. I believe these are at least 50 years old and are in pristine condition. They are still individually packaged in a cardboard box with a waxed paper instructionsheet/wrapper. I also have a couple of multi-packs of twelve plugs. They clearly pre-date the bubble pack by several decades. The are not fakes! (Oops that was an earlier thread) There is no reason to believe they couldn't be used, but they would also look great in your spare plug holder, or as museum exhibits. If anyone is interested in obtaining a set please contact me off-list. Peter Cole. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Martin Aubert]

Peter, I would be very interested in having a look at the software you mentioned re SU tuning. I would appreciate if you can let me know where can I find it. Best regards Martin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Hellie" chiphelli@yahoo.com> To: paroor@t-online.de>; "Peter Roberts" mgtc@attbi.com>; "Alan Turner" alan@g4uut.freeserve.co.uk>; "Ken Porter" kwcp@optonline.net> Cc: "Mg-Tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: Re: AW: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > Hi > Anyone who thinks about using Champion plugs is asking > for problems. I and many others swear they are junk. > Serious racers stay away from them. I have been let > down by them more than once. Yuck. Use anybody elses. > Chip > > > --- paroor@t-online.de wrote: > > Can one use champion L 82C plugs ? The person in > > the Mg shop recommended it > > ? > > > > best regards > > madhu TC 0448 > > > > -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Peter Roberts [mailto:mgtc@attbi.com] > > Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juni 2003 23:33 > > An: Alan Turner; Ken Porter > > Cc: Mg-Tabc > > Betreff: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > > > > > > You may also consider using a leaner needle in the > > carbs. > > > > I downloaded a program some time ago that provides a > > very sophisticated > > method for adjusting lean/rich across a range of rpm > > in SU carbs. I will > > try to find it and send to you. > > > > > > _Peter > > TC0604 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ken Porter" kwcp@optonline.net> > > To: "Alan Turner" alan@g4uut.freeserve.co.uk> > > Cc: "Mg-Tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Spark Plugs > > > > > > > Alan: > > > I have been using Champion L86c plugs for years > > with no problems. > > > Ken TC 4147 > > > > > > Alan Turner wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Everyone, > > > >I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a > > lapse of 17 years !!! > > > > > > > >The exhaust system has been replaced with a > > "standard" s/s one as that > > > >fitted would have been socially acceptable these > > days(stainless front > > pipe, > > > >TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). > > However this has caused > > the > > > >mixture to be too rich, and of course we have > > unleaded petrol and the car > > is > > > >missing. > > > > > > > >The first thing I intend trying is a new set of > > spark plugs, the present > > > >ones are NGK B6ES, > > > >has any body reason to suggest that I try a > > different type considering > > the > > > >fuel. > > > > > > > >There is a filling station about 4 miles away > > which still retails 4 star > > > >leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using > > unleaded with an additive > > at > > > >first and get the head converted over the winter. > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > >Alan Turner > > > >TC 9752 > > > > > > > >I will be at Silverstone, hopefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Chip Old]

On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:49 -0700, Chip Hellie wrote:

> Anyone who thinks about using Champion plugs is asking for problems. I > and many others swear they are junk. Serious racers stay away from them. > I have been let down by them more than once. Yuck. Use anybody elses.

And others of us swear by Champions. If you're going to make blanket pronouncements like that, at least provide some details. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[John Seim]

The NGK Plugs (B6HS) are a correct heat range, and should work fine. I have ran the Bosch Platinum 4214 for the past 10 years, and have found them very reliable. Champion plugs in the past might have had some problems, due to not glazing the electrode insulator. They are fine now. You would need to know the modern part number. Champion has undergone at least 3 part number changes sine the workshop manuals were published. John Seim Irvine, CA Alan Turner wrote:

> Hi Everyone, > I am hoping to get my TC on the road after a lapse of 17 years !!! > > The exhaust system has been replaced with a "standard" s/s one as that > fitted would have been socially acceptable these days(stainless front pipe, > TR3 straight through and 2+ inch dia rear pipe). However this has caused the > mixture to be too rich, and of course we have unleaded petrol and the car is > missing. > > The first thing I intend trying is a new set of spark plugs, the present > ones are NGK B6ES, > has any body reason to suggest that I try a different type considering the > fuel. > > There is a filling station about 4 miles away which still retails 4 star > leaded @ 99.9 pence/litre, but I intend using unleaded with an additive at > first and get the head converted over the winter. > > Regards > > Alan Turner > TC 9752 > > I will be at Silverstone, hopefully. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/