Brakes?

[GRaw505@aol.com]

Has anyone got any suggestions? My wife's 1947 TC has developed a frightening habit of veering sharply to the left whenever the brakes are applied. I've serviced the wheel pistons and all four are coming out at the same time; I've replaced the return springs incase the old ones weren't pulling the shoes back enough; I've bled the system; I've filed down the leading edges of the shoes; the King pins are fine and have no discernable movement; all the steering links are fine with little or no play. Have I missed something staring me in the face? In desperation Geoff Rawlings

[David and Joyce Edgar]

Has any brake fluid, grease, or oil gotten in the linings? Use some brake cleaner fluid on them. You could also soak them in some flamable liquid and then light them up. The heat won't hurt them and will draw the contamination to the surface and burn off. Also make sure the drums are not scored or grooved. David Edgar, TC 5108 El Cajon, California

>Has anyone got any suggestions? My wife's 1947 TC has developed a >frightening habit of veering sharply to the left whenever the brakes are >applied. I've serviced the wheel pistons and all four are coming out at the >same time; I've replaced the return springs incase the old ones weren't >pulling the shoes back enough; I've bled the system; I've filed down the >leading edges of the shoes; the King pins are fine and have no discernable >movement; all the steering links are fine with little or no play. Have I >missed something staring me in the face? >In desperation >Geoff Rawlings >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Dave Norris]

Geoff, You might want to check whether the front left brake drum is out of round, a problem I had a couple of years ago. It will cause the drum to snatch when the brakes are applied. You should be able to tell quite easily by the raising the wheel off the ground and spinning the wheel with the brakes adjusted to just brush the drum. The drums can be skimmed, within limits, on a brake lathe. Cheers, Dave Aberdeen TC9964

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] GRaw505@aol.com [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, June 18, 2001 6:21 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] Brakes? Has anyone got any suggestions? My wife's 1947 TC has developed a frightening habit of veering sharply to the left whenever the brakes are applied. I've serviced the wheel pistons and all four are coming out at the same time; I've replaced the return springs incase the old ones weren't pulling the shoes back enough; I've bled the system; I've filed down the leading edges of the shoes; the King pins are fine and have no discernable movement; all the steering links are fine with little or no play. Have I missed something staring me in the face? In desperation Geoff Rawlings Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[KEN PORTER]

Geoff: I had this problem and it drove me nuts until I realized that one of the brake shoes was bent. I replaced the shoe and it's been fine ever since. If thats not it replace the brake hose. It may have deteriorated on the inside. With an easy brake application it will pass fluid but under a normal application a small piece of loose rubber may be acting like a valve and will block thw flow of fluid. Ken TC4147 GRaw505@aol.com wrote:

Has anyone got any suggestions? My wife's 1947 TC has developed a frightening habit of veering sharply to the left whenever the brakes are applied. I've serviced the wheel pistons and all four are coming out at the same time; I've replaced the return springs incase the old ones weren't pulling the shoes back enough; I've bled the system; I've filed down the leading edges of the shoes; the King pins are fine and have no discernable movement; all the steering links are fine with little or no play. Have I missed something staring me in the face? In desperation Geoff Rawlings Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[CVMGA@aol.com]

In a message dated 6/18/01 5:02:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GRaw505@aol.com writes:

My wife's 1947 TC has developed a frightening habit of veering sharply to the left whenever the brakes are applied.

Geoff, You didn't mention which side you've serviced, but look closely at the right side. Either the rubber flex hose has swollen shut, or you've got a frozen wheel cylinder on the right side. Sluggish or weak right side brakes will cause the car to veer left! Those are the breaks! Bruce Woodson

[mrbadger]

GRaw505@aol.com writes: My wife's 1947 TC has developed a frightening habit of veering sharply to the left whenever the brakes are applied. You think YOU have a problem. My wife's car has an even MORE frightening habit! It veers sharply towards virtually any retail ladies dress shop displaying the single word 'SALE' within its front window. Suggestions?

[Robert Grunau]

Geoff,

Another suggestion, I had a similar problem with a friends TC. The car dived right when the brakes were applied. He tried everything, changing wheels cylinders, brake hoses, brake drums etc and no improvement. So he took the whole brake back plate assemblies off and brought them to me. Turned out he had the left brake shoes on incorrectly and the steps on bottom of the shoes were offset the wrong way on the bottom pivot. So only the edges of the shoes were making contact on the left brake drum. Obvious when pointed out to him but he spent weeks trying to sort it out.

Bob

Geoff: I had this problem and it drove me nuts until I realized that one of the brake shoes was bent. I replaced the shoe and it's been fine ever since. If thats not it replace the brake hose. It may have deteriorated on the inside. With an easy brake application it will pass fluid but under a normal application a small piece of loose rubber may be acting like a valve and will block thw flow of fluid. Ken TC4147

GRaw505@aol.com wrote:

Has anyone got any suggestions? My wife's 1947 TC has developed a frightening habit of veering sharply to the left whenever the brakes are applied. I've serviced the wheel pistons and all four are coming out at the same time; I've replaced the return springs incase the old ones weren't pulling the shoes back enough; I've bled the system; I've filed down the leading edges of the shoes; the King pins are fine and have no discernable movement; all the steering links are fine with little or no play. Have I missed something staring me in the face? In desperation Geoff Rawlings Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Paul Huck]

Congress has the same prpblem as the 47TC: veers sharply to the left when brakes are applied!

----- Original Message ----- From: mrbadger mrbadger@home.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Brakes? > GRaw505@aol.com > writes: > My wife's 1947 TC has developed a frightening habit of veering sharply > to the left whenever the brakes are applied. > > You think YOU have a problem. > > My wife's car has an even MORE frightening habit! It veers sharply > towards virtually any retail ladies dress shop displaying the single > word 'SALE' within its front window. > Suggestions? > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[GRaw505@aol.com]

Thanks all! Lots of good tips. I've already checked the 'ovality' of the drums and they're fine. The shoes are true and installed correctly. There is proper brake fluid in the pipes, not the synthetic stuff which doesn't always lubricate the seal tips properly. I'm guessing that perhaps the brake hoses are at fault. I'm planning to install braided hoses anyway so - fingers crossed! Again, Muchas Gracias Geoff p.s. there is a recent photograph on the members page under Rawlings

[mrbadger]

Good one Paul. Another d_mn liberal TC. How did I miss that? Paul Huck wrote:

> > Congress has the same prpblem as the 47TC: veers sharply to the left when > brakes are applied!