Steering wheel bolts

[Robert Kampas]

Does anyone know of a source for the bolts used to hold an original Brooklands steering wheel to its hub? There should be four hex head bolts - I have only three. Short of having a new one made is there a supplier that sells just the bolts? By the way any clue as to what thread these might be? I'm fairly sure that they are not the famous "French Algerian Mad English Ancient Metric" mentioned recently by one of our members. Cheers, Bob Kampas TC 2544

[Chip Old]

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Robert Kampas wrote to mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com:

> Does anyone know of a source for the bolts used to hold an original > Brooklands steering wheel to its hub? There should be four hex head > bolts - I have only three. Short of having a new one made is there a > supplier that sells just the bolts? > > By the way any clue as to what thread these might be? I'm fairly sure > that they are not the famous "French Algerian Mad English Ancient > Metric" mentioned recently by one of our members.

The "Nuffield's Mad Metric" threads wrere used only in the engine and gearbox. Throughout the rest of the car you'll find BSF (British Standard Fine), BSW (British Standard Whitworth), BA (British Association), BSP (British Standard Pipe), and BSPT (British Standard Pipe Tapered). 1/4 inch BSF comes to mind for the Brooklands hub, but I'm not sure. If nobody answers earlier, I'll check the threads in my Brooklands wheel at home this evening and write back. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, MD, USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[Dave Osborn]

Robert; Try Kimble Engineering in Dartmouth, They reproduce the steering wheels. Unit 5 Old Mill Creek Dartmouth, Devon Eng. TQ6 0HN Tel:01144180383 5757 Fax:01144180383 4567 Dave Osborn TC 10217 TD 6551 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Kampas [mailto:kampas@seanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:21 AM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Steering wheel bolts Does anyone know of a source for the bolts used to hold an original Brooklands steering wheel to its hub? There should be four hex head bolts - I have only three. Short of having a new one made is there a supplier that sells just the bolts? By the way any clue as to what thread these might be? I'm fairly sure that they are not the famous "French Algerian Mad English Ancient Metric" mentioned recently by one of our members. Cheers, Bob Kampas TC 2544 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Robert Johnson]

RK: You indicate that you have 3 of 4 hex head bolts to hold the Brooklands wheel to the hub. This puzzles me as my old Brooklands wheel doesn't use hex head bolts. Rather, the cover plate which clamps the steering wheel to the hub uses 4 machine screws (6 x 1.0, approx 1" long) with each going into a hex nut on the back of the hub. These machine screws have a single slot head which is tapered and fits into the cover plate such that the top of the screw is flush with the cover plate when fully tightened, ie: the cover plate holes are slightly beveled and countersunk. Are there 2 types (or more?) of "original" Brooklands configurations? Bob Johnson Crescent City, CA '46 TC 1450

[Skip Kelsey]

Bob: The current wheels from Kimble Engineering use four bolts. Approx. inch and 1/8 long. Skip Kelsey............. At 03:09 PM 5/30/01, Robert Johnson wrote:

>RK: > >You indicate that you have 3 of 4 hex head bolts to hold the Brooklands >wheel to the hub. This puzzles me as my old Brooklands wheel doesn't use hex >head bolts. > >Rather, the cover plate which clamps the steering wheel to the hub uses 4 >machine screws (6 x 1.0, approx 1" long) with each going into a hex nut on >the back of the hub. > >These machine screws have a single slot head which is tapered and fits into >the cover plate such that the top of the screw is flush with the cover plate >when fully tightened, ie: the cover plate holes are slightly beveled and >countersunk. > >Are there 2 types (or more?) of "original" Brooklands configurations? > >Bob Johnson >Crescent City, CA >'46 TC 1450 > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Steve Rankin]

I'm missing one of those screws. Anyone have a source or extra? Steve Rankin TC 6646

----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Kelsey" kelsey@shadetreemotors.com> To: "Robert Johnson" webmaster@consultantbob.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Robert Kampas" kampas@seanet.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Steering wheel bolts > Bob: > > The current wheels from Kimble Engineering use four bolts. Approx. inch and > 1/8 long. > > Skip Kelsey............. > > At 03:09 PM 5/30/01, Robert Johnson wrote: > >RK: > > > >You indicate that you have 3 of 4 hex head bolts to hold the Brooklands > >wheel to the hub. This puzzles me as my old Brooklands wheel doesn't use hex > >head bolts. > > > >Rather, the cover plate which clamps the steering wheel to the hub uses 4 > >machine screws (6 x 1.0, approx 1" long) with each going into a hex nut on > >the back of the hub. > > > >These machine screws have a single slot head which is tapered and fits into > >the cover plate such that the top of the screw is flush with the cover plate > >when fully tightened, ie: the cover plate holes are slightly beveled and > >countersunk. > > > >Are there 2 types (or more?) of "original" Brooklands configurations? > > > >Bob Johnson > >Crescent City, CA > >'46 TC 1450 > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Chip Old]

There are three variations that I'm aware of. All have a two-piece hub with the spring spokes clamped between the two halves and a cover plate with the MG logo. The difference is in the details: 1) As Bob described (below) but the slotted countersunk bolts are 1/4 BSF, not 6 X 1 MM. The cover plate is the full diameter of the hub, and is held by the countersunk bolts. 2) Similar to #1, but with 1/4 BSF hex head bolts. 3) Similar to #1 with countersunk 1/4 BSF bolts, but the cover plate is smaller in diameter than the aluminum hub, fits into a recess in the hub, and is held on by three tiny machine screws (4 BA I think).

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Robert Johnson wrote: > You indicate that you have 3 of 4 hex head bolts to hold the > Brooklands wheel to the hub. This puzzles me as my old Brooklands > wheel doesn't use hex head bolts. > > Rather, the cover plate which clamps the steering wheel to the hub > uses 4 machine screws (6 x 1.0, approx 1" long) with each going into a > hex nut on the back of the hub. > > These machine screws have a single slot head which is tapered and fits > into the cover plate such that the top of the screw is flush with the > cover plate when fully tightened, ie: the cover plate holes are > slightly beveled and countersunk. > > Are there 2 types (or more?) of "original" Brooklands configurations? -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, MD, USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[Robert Kampas]

To all who have replied, The hex head bolts I have indeed seem to be 1/4 BSF x 1 1/8" long. The MG cover plate is the full diameter of the hub but does not have any countersinks for the bolts. The hub itself does not have any hex nut on the back. By the way of additional information the hub was coated with something that looked like a black bakelite coating but I have now polished it as bare aluminum coated with clear Polane. The rim is a multicolored green bakelite and is now in great shape. Thanks again to all, Bob K -----Original Message----- From: fold@mail.bcpl.net [mailto:fold@mail.bcpl.net]On Behalf Of Chip Old Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:24 PM To: MG-TABC Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Steering wheel bolts There are three variations that I'm aware of. All have a two-piece hub with the spring spokes clamped between the two halves and a cover plate with the MG logo. The difference is in the details: 1) As Bob described (below) but the slotted countersunk bolts are 1/4 BSF, not 6 X 1 MM. The cover plate is the full diameter of the hub, and is held by the countersunk bolts. 2) Similar to #1, but with 1/4 BSF hex head bolts. 3) Similar to #1 with countersunk 1/4 BSF bolts, but the cover plate is smaller in diameter than the aluminum hub, fits into a recess in the hub, and is held on by three tiny machine screws (4 BA I think).

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Robert Johnson wrote: > You indicate that you have 3 of 4 hex head bolts to hold the > Brooklands wheel to the hub. This puzzles me as my old Brooklands > wheel doesn't use hex head bolts. > > Rather, the cover plate which clamps the steering wheel to the hub > uses 4 machine screws (6 x 1.0, approx 1" long) with each going into a > hex nut on the back of the hub. > > These machine screws have a single slot head which is tapered and fits > into the cover plate such that the top of the screw is flush with the > cover plate when fully tightened, ie: the cover plate holes are > slightly beveled and countersunk. > > Are there 2 types (or more?) of "original" Brooklands configurations? -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, MD, USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Frank O_ The Mountain]

You guys might want to rethink the use of the original hex headed bolts. I wore the imprint of those four bolts in my chest for about 8 months after the TA T-boned a 4 door chevy. We now return to our regularly scheduled thread on seat belts.... Terry

[joecurto@aol.com]

Terry just think of how lucky you actually were. I always figured that I would be impaled by the steering column in a crash like that. Curto