XPAG Cam

[Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd]

Jim, I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much more power and as smooth as silk. The first one has been in my black TC for nearly a year and I have just put one in the engine of my second TC presently being restored I think this can be got directly from Crane in USA although I got both of mine from Brown and Gammons in UK (Phone 44 1462 460049) under their part number AAA 3096. Price of the shaft was was UK Pounds 134.00. It is best get their cam followers and slightly shorter pushrod set as well as a tube of their "camlube" grease. Viv James

[C Sherriff]

Message text written by "Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd"

>I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much

more power and as smooth as silk. Can you give us a spec and description of the Crane cam please Viv? Regars Clive

[Skip Kelsey]

Viv: I installed the Crane cam that you speak of sixteen years ago in my own XPAG engine. It has performed very well. Since then I have installed it in about fifteen different T series engines. It is my best seller. I offer it at $213.00US. Cheers; Skip........................... At 06:42 AM 4/6/01, Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd wrote:

>Jim, > >I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much >more power and as smooth as silk. The first one has been in my >black TC for nearly a year and I have just put one in the engine of >my second TC presently being restored > >I think this can be got directly from Crane in USA although I got >both of mine from Brown and Gammons in UK (Phone 44 1462 >460049) under their part number AAA 3096. Price of the shaft was >was UK Pounds 134.00. It is best get their cam followers and >slightly shorter pushrod set as well as a tube of their "camlube" >grease. > >Viv James > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Skip Kelsey]

Clive: The Crane cam is part no. 340-0002,Grind no. 553-0S. Valve setting is .018 Int. and Ex. Lift: Int & Ex @cam is 238.@valve is 357. They list rocker arm ratio as 1.5. Cam Timing @ .014 In opens 11 deg.BTDC closes 51 deg. ABDC. Ex.opens 51 deg. BTDC closes 11 deg. ATDC. Cam timing @.050 Int. opens 15 deg. ATDC Closes 25 deg. ABDC Max lift 110 deg. ATDC. Ex. opens 25 deg. BBDC closes 15 deg. BTDC max lift 110 deg. BTDC. duration 190 deg. Skip.......................... At 08:13 AM 4/6/01, C Sherriff wrote:

>Message text written by "Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd" > >I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much >more power and as smooth as silk. > >Can you give us a spec and description of the Crane cam please Viv? > >Regars > >Clive > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[JTPAKI@aol.com]

Skip Are there any markings on the Crane cam that I could use to identify if the one I have is a Crane? Joe Potter In a message dated 4/6/01 8:36:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kelsey@shadetreemotors.com writes:

The Crane cam is part no. 340-0002,Grind no. 553-0S. Valve setting is .018 Int. and Ex. Lift: Int & Ex @cam is 238.@valve is 357. They list rocker arm ratio as 1.5. Cam Timing @ .014 In opens 11 deg.BTDC closes 51 deg. ABDC. Ex.opens 51 deg. BTDC closes 11 deg. ATDC. Cam timing @.050 Int. opens 15 deg. ATDC Closes 25 deg. ABDC Max lift 110 deg. ATDC. Ex. opens 25 deg. BBDC closes 15 deg. BTDC max lift 110 deg. BTDC. duration 190 deg. Skip..........................

[Roger Furneaux]

Hi folks - at the recent T-Register Rebuild seminar here in rain-land, Gerry Brown (no less!) gave an excellent presentation on XPAG tuning, and there was much discussion on cams. Unfortunately, three hours could be spent talking about them alone, never mind all the other stuff! On his cam tech. sheet he says that the AAA3096 as supplied by B. & G. "originates as a Crane profile", and the spec. he gives is not the same as Skip's. In the B. & G. ads. they say "Our own improved standard camshaft" without giving a p/n (and it is 195 inc. tax and the short pushrods to match, so perhaps these are not the same cam anyway). A local company which specialises in M.G.s of all sorts is interested in bringing some genuine Crane cams across the pond for their own use, so if a batch was ordered to get the price down, I for would would take one. watch this space! ocTagonally Roger Skip Kelsey wrote:

>The Crane cam is part no. 340-0002,Grind no. 553-0S. >Valve setting is .018 Int. and Ex. Lift: Int & Ex @cam is 238.@valve is >357. They list rocker arm ratio as 1.5. Cam Timing @ .014 In opens 11 >deg.BTDC closes 51 deg. ABDC. >Ex.opens 51 deg. BTDC closes 11 deg. ATDC. >Cam timing @.050 Int. opens 15 deg. ATDC Closes 25 deg. ABDC Max lift 110 >deg. ATDC. >Ex. opens 25 deg. BBDC closes 15 deg. BTDC max lift 110 deg. BTDC. duration >190 deg. >At 08:13 AM 4/6/01, C Sherriff wrote: >>Message text written by "Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd" >> >I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much >>more power and as smooth as silk. >> >>Can you give us a spec and description of the Crane cam please Viv?

[Skip Kelsey]

Roger: I am glad that you shared this info on cams. I purchased an AAA3096 Cam for B & G in march 1988. When I received it, I noticed the similarity with the Crane cam. The lift being .357 degrees, and the inlet and Exhaust clearance being .018 and .020. There were no other specs listed, other than saying that if required for accuracy, check timing and adjust by offset key to inlet valve open at 105 degrees after TDC. I called and talked to Jerry brown at that time, and when I mentioned that it seemed similar to the Crane cam, he stated " Oh, you noticed that". In the absences of other info, I assumed that they were the same. I would ask that if you have the specs for the AAA3096 cam, could you share them, so that one can compare them. Thanks for all the info. Cheers: Skip Kelsey......................... At 06:33 AM 4/7/01, Roger Furneaux wrote:

>Hi folks - at the recent T-Register Rebuild seminar here in rain-land, Gerry >Brown (no less!) gave an excellent presentation on XPAG tuning, and there >was much discussion on cams. Unfortunately, three hours could be spent >talking about them alone, never mind all the other stuff! > >On his cam tech. sheet he says that the AAA3096 as supplied by B. & G. >"originates as a Crane profile", and the spec. he gives is not the same as >Skip's. In the B. & G. ads. they say "Our own improved standard camshaft" >without giving a p/n (and it is 195 inc. tax and the short pushrods to >match, so perhaps these are not the same cam anyway). > >A local company which specialises in M.G.s of all sorts is interested in >bringing some genuine Crane cams across the pond for their own use, so if a >batch was ordered to get the price down, I for would would take one. watch >this space! > >ocTagonally > >Roger > >Skip Kelsey wrote: > > >The Crane cam is part no. 340-0002,Grind no. 553-0S. > >Valve setting is .018 Int. and Ex. Lift: Int & Ex @cam is 238.@valve is > >357. They list rocker arm ratio as 1.5. Cam Timing @ .014 In opens 11 > >deg.BTDC closes 51 deg. ABDC. > >Ex.opens 51 deg. BTDC closes 11 deg. ATDC. > >Cam timing @.050 Int. opens 15 deg. ATDC Closes 25 deg. ABDC Max lift 110 > >deg. ATDC. > >Ex. opens 25 deg. BBDC closes 15 deg. BTDC max lift 110 deg. BTDC. duration > >190 deg. > > >At 08:13 AM 4/6/01, C Sherriff wrote: > >>Message text written by "Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd" > >> >I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much > >>more power and as smooth as silk. > >> > >>Can you give us a spec and description of the Crane cam please Viv? > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Skip Kelsey]

Roger: One last parting observence! I eyeballed the lobes on both cams, and noticed that the "ramps" of the Crane cam are a little fatter than the B & G cam. This could be the difference. Possibly less overlap. Cheers; Skip........................ At 06:33 AM 4/7/01, Roger Furneaux wrote:

>Hi folks - at the recent T-Register Rebuild seminar here in rain-land, Gerry >Brown (no less!) gave an excellent presentation on XPAG tuning, and there >was much discussion on cams. Unfortunately, three hours could be spent >talking about them alone, never mind all the other stuff! > >On his cam tech. sheet he says that the AAA3096 as supplied by B. & G. >"originates as a Crane profile", and the spec. he gives is not the same as >Skip's. In the B. & G. ads. they say "Our own improved standard camshaft" >without giving a p/n (and it is 195 inc. tax and the short pushrods to >match, so perhaps these are not the same cam anyway). > >A local company which specialises in M.G.s of all sorts is interested in >bringing some genuine Crane cams across the pond for their own use, so if a >batch was ordered to get the price down, I for would would take one. watch >this space! > >ocTagonally > >Roger > >Skip Kelsey wrote: > > >The Crane cam is part no. 340-0002,Grind no. 553-0S. > >Valve setting is .018 Int. and Ex. Lift: Int & Ex @cam is 238.@valve is > >357. They list rocker arm ratio as 1.5. Cam Timing @ .014 In opens 11 > >deg.BTDC closes 51 deg. ABDC. > >Ex.opens 51 deg. BTDC closes 11 deg. ATDC. > >Cam timing @.050 Int. opens 15 deg. ATDC Closes 25 deg. ABDC Max lift 110 > >deg. ATDC. > >Ex. opens 25 deg. BBDC closes 15 deg. BTDC max lift 110 deg. BTDC. duration > >190 deg. > > >At 08:13 AM 4/6/01, C Sherriff wrote: > >>Message text written by "Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd" > >> >I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much > >>more power and as smooth as silk. > >> > >>Can you give us a spec and description of the Crane cam please Viv? > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Michael Card]

Roger and all [b]1. Crane cams in UK[/b] You can already buy Crane cams in the UK. Moss UK offers two Crane cams [a] Crane p/n 340-0002 [b] Crane p/n 340-0010. Crane p/n 340-0002 [mentioned by Skip Kelsey] is listed by Crane as intended as a replacement for the factory 168553 cam [=AAA3096], but requires shorter pushrods. I have fitted one in a 1300cc XPAG which I have just rebuilt to go into TC-9477, with an Eaton blower. Woody Wood's excellent XPAG book recommends the 168553 for any street XPAG, regardless of state of tune. Crane p/n 340-0010 has longer timing and more overlap. Fellow list member Steve Taylor has one of these in his black TC. Valve timing details of both of these Crane cams were posted on the list by Ray McCrary on 27 November 1999. These details used to be available on the Crane website, but were no longer available last time I looked [last year]. 2. Cam profiles[/b] Factory cam AAA3096 and factory cam 168553 were the same item. I could not make the seminar at which Gerry Brown talked, unfortunately, so do not have the timing data for the B&G cam which you mentioned Roger. However I wonder if the cam from B&G is actually the Crane 340-0002? I say this because I know that Viv bought his cam from B&G, and the data on that cam [which Viv sent me off list last year] seem to match the data for the 340-0002 except for one digit, which may be a typing error. [Viv, you had the intake timing at 0.050" tappet lift as 15/21 instead of 15/25.] Mike Card

[Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd]

Date sent: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:13:27 -0500 From: C Sherriff Clives_page@compuserve.com> Subject: [mg-tabc] XPAG Cam To: "Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd" viv@trax.co.za> Copies to: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Clive, Skip's figures are right. These are really good cams. I put mine in together with a 4.9 cwp. The car is radically improved for the fast country regularity runs the we like to use it for and there is tons more torque on hills that we previously needed 3rd gear for. Message text written by "Viv James TraX Interconnect (Pty.) Ltd"

>I have had great success with a Crane XPAG camshaft. Much

more power and as smooth as silk. Can you give us a spec and description of the Crane cam please Viv?