Radiator Slats

[David & Joyce Edgar]

Joe Douglas did indeed buy his 1949 TC new and his slats are the blue body color and not interior biscuit color. He still has the original paint on it (except where he has polished through to metal) . We have a Motoring Guild meeting this Tuesday and will ask him about it then. He has no email. David Edgar, TC 5108 El Cajon, California

>I notice that Joe Douglass from L A , who is listed in the TC Motoring >Guild, bought his TC new in 1949 and it still has its original blue >paintwork. Some of our list appear to be members also; anyone know him? >Just a thought. > >Tony TC9825 + 59 MGA

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey Jerry! Guess what; it's a geezer thing. Don TC 7993 (which was well & truly modified when I acquired it in 1957).

>From: jerrybirkbeck@aol.com >To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS >Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 07:07:56 EDT > >It never ceases to amaze me the amount of correspondence that is generated >on >matters of originality. From what I have seen and read I would go along >with >the view that the slats matched the colour of the trim in the majority of >cases. However, MG did take account of customer choice and would no doubt >have painted the radiator slats any colour that a customer requested. Of >course an owner could have painted the slats in the colour of his/her >choice >after purchasing the vehicle. > >I guess what is needed is to find an owner of a T type who either bought >and >still has his car from new, or remembers buying a car and specifying >particular changes for his model. At his/her youngest that person would be >around 70 today and how many TA's/B's/C's still are in the ownership of the >original purchaser - very few I would think. > >Perhaps the MG T Type Register may be able to comment or Mike Sherrell. > >Jerry Birkbeck > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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[Mark McCombs]

I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that Clipper Blue was the exception to the "slats match the interior", which would make sense. I cant imagine Clipper blue with flesh colored slats. FWIW- Regards Mark TC8126

----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joyce Edgar" djedgar@pacbell.net> To: "T-ABC list" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > Joe Douglas did indeed buy his 1949 TC new and his slats are the blue > body color and not interior biscuit color. He still has the original > paint on it (except where he has polished through to metal) . We > have a Motoring Guild meeting this Tuesday and will ask him about it > then. He has no email. > > David Edgar, TC 5108 > El Cajon, California > > >I notice that Joe Douglass from L A , who is listed in the TC Motoring > >Guild, bought his TC new in 1949 and it still has its original blue > >paintwork. Some of our list appear to be members also; anyone know him? > >Just a thought. > > > >Tony TC9825 + 59 MGA > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[capaciousmg]

No need to imagine Mark, I can send you digital picture. Joe Potter -----Original Message----- From: Mark McCombs [mailto:rudge@core.com] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:22 AM To: T-ABC list Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that Clipper Blue was the exception to the "slats match the interior", which would make sense. I cant imagine Clipper blue with flesh colored slats. FWIW- Regards Mark TC8126

----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joyce Edgar" djedgar@pacbell.net> To: "T-ABC list" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > Joe Douglas did indeed buy his 1949 TC new and his slats are the blue > body color and not interior biscuit color. He still has the original > paint on it (except where he has polished through to metal) . We > have a Motoring Guild meeting this Tuesday and will ask him about it > then. He has no email. > > David Edgar, TC 5108 > El Cajon, California > > >I notice that Joe Douglass from L A , who is listed in the TC Motoring > >Guild, bought his TC new in 1949 and it still has its original blue > >paintwork. Some of our list appear to be members also; anyone know him? > >Just a thought. > > > >Tony TC9825 + 59 MGA > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Mark McCombs]

A humble "oops" to all those clipper blues with biscuit slats- It does, indeed, look better than my feeble imagination. Mark TC8126 No comment on my current "as found" color combination

----- Original Message ----- From: "capaciousmg" capaciousmg@direcway.com> To: "'T-ABC list'" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > No need to imagine Mark, I can send you digital picture. > > Joe Potter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark McCombs [mailto:rudge@core.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:22 AM > To: T-ABC list > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > > I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that Clipper Blue was the > exception > to the "slats match the interior", which would make sense. I cant > imagine > Clipper blue with flesh colored slats. > FWIW- > Regards Mark TC8126 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David & Joyce Edgar" djedgar@pacbell.net> > To: "T-ABC list" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > > > > Joe Douglas did indeed buy his 1949 TC new and his slats are the blue > > body color and not interior biscuit color. He still has the original > > paint on it (except where he has polished through to metal) . We > > have a Motoring Guild meeting this Tuesday and will ask him about it > > then. He has no email. > > > > David Edgar, TC 5108 > > El Cajon, California > > > > >I notice that Joe Douglass from L A , who is listed in the TC > Motoring > > >Guild, bought his TC new in 1949 and it still has its original blue > > >paintwork. Some of our list appear to be members also; anyone know > him? > > >Just a thought. > > > > > >Tony TC9825 + 59 MGA > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Sam Suklis]

...In the early fifties, when the TD's were on dealer's showroom floors, I once asked the dealer whether the "chrome" radiator slats I'd seen on some cars were something buyers were ordering with their new cars...he replied that no, they weren't, but said buyers could have a choice when purchasing a new TD of whether they wanted radiator slats in body color or interior color. I have no idea if this was the case with TC's, but at least in that case, it appears there was an option with TD's when buying the car new. Sam

----- Original Message ----- From: jerrybirkbeck@aol.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:07 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > It never ceases to amaze me the amount of correspondence that is generated on > matters of originality. From what I have seen and read I would go along with > the view that the slats matched the colour of the trim in the majority of > cases. However, MG did take account of customer choice and would no doubt > have painted the radiator slats any colour that a customer requested. Of > course an owner could have painted the slats in the colour of his/her choice > after purchasing the vehicle. > > I guess what is needed is to find an owner of a T type who either bought and > still has his car from new, or remembers buying a car and specifying > particular changes for his model. At his/her youngest that person would be > around 70 today and how many TA's/B's/C's still are in the ownership of the > original purchaser - very few I would think. > > Perhaps the MG T Type Register may be able to comment or Mike Sherrell. > > Jerry Birkbeck > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Sam Suklis]

....An addendum! It's entirely possible the dealer was having the slats painted-to-order in his own shop, and the option may have been thus a "dealer option"...I just don't know. It's a miracle I even remembered that much. Sam

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; jerrybirkbeck@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > ...In the early fifties, when the TD's were on dealer's showroom floors, I > once asked the dealer whether the "chrome" radiator slats I'd seen on some > cars were something buyers were ordering with their new cars...he replied > that no, they weren't, but said buyers could have a choice when purchasing > a new TD of whether they wanted radiator slats in body color or interior > color. I have no idea if this was the case with TC's, but at least in that > case, it appears there was an option with TD's when buying the car new. > > Sam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jerrybirkbeck@aol.com> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:07 AM > Subject: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > > > > It never ceases to amaze me the amount of correspondence that is generated > on > > matters of originality. From what I have seen and read I would go along > with > > the view that the slats matched the colour of the trim in the majority of > > cases. However, MG did take account of customer choice and would no doubt > > have painted the radiator slats any colour that a customer requested. Of > > course an owner could have painted the slats in the colour of his/her > choice > > after purchasing the vehicle. > > > > I guess what is needed is to find an owner of a T type who either bought > and > > still has his car from new, or remembers buying a car and specifying > > particular changes for his model. At his/her youngest that person would be > > around 70 today and how many TA's/B's/C's still are in the ownership of > the > > original purchaser - very few I would think. > > > > Perhaps the MG T Type Register may be able to comment or Mike Sherrell. > > > > Jerry Birkbeck > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Chip Hellie]

Sam,Jerry,list, My father purchased a TD new in '53. It was ivory with red leather. The grill was also red. He painted the wheels red to match the interior. I will ask him if he ordered the grill to match, but I'm sure thats the way it came if you didn't ask. He's turning 73 on Halloween! He was born on Black Friday back in '29. People have believed that the stock market crash made some jump from windows, however I believe they saw my father instead, then jumped! Chip Hellie --- Sam Suklis ssp15@attbi.com> wrote:

> ...In the early fifties, when the TD's were on > dealer's showroom floors, I > once asked the dealer whether the "chrome" radiator > slats I'd seen on some > cars were something buyers were ordering with their > new cars...he replied > that no, they weren't, but said buyers could have a > choice when purchasing > a new TD of whether they wanted radiator slats in > body color or interior > color. I have no idea if this was the case with > TC's, but at least in that > case, it appears there was an option with TD's when > buying the car new. > > Sam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jerrybirkbeck@aol.com> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:07 AM > Subject: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > > > > It never ceases to amaze me the amount of > correspondence that is generated > on > > matters of originality. From what I have seen and > read I would go along > with > > the view that the slats matched the colour of the > trim in the majority of > > cases. However, MG did take account of customer > choice and would no doubt > > have painted the radiator slats any colour that a > customer requested. Of > > course an owner could have painted the slats in > the colour of his/her > choice > > after purchasing the vehicle. > > > > I guess what is needed is to find an owner of a T > type who either bought > and > > still has his car from new, or remembers buying a > car and specifying > > particular changes for his model. At his/her > youngest that person would be > > around 70 today and how many TA's/B's/C's still > are in the ownership of > the > > original purchaser - very few I would think. > > > > Perhaps the MG T Type Register may be able to > comment or Mike Sherrell. > > > > Jerry Birkbeck > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[Jim and Shirley Mink]

It is a fact that many TCs were repainted by the dealer prior to sale as a result of damage suffered during transport. It is also a fact that dealers sometimes repainted cars to match customer wants. "A red one, well come back tomorrow"! I have been told that it was also possible to go to the factory and have your car painted in any color or combination of colors you were willing to pay for. Given this situation combined with the shortages in the UK during the time our cars were manufactured it is, in my opinion, almost impossible to say what was or was not "original". I will grant that there were probably no purple TCs. Jim, TC 8970 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Sam Suklis]

I think there's a significant revelation of importance in Jim & Shirley's letter (at bottom of page) worth noting: It's safe to say radiator-slat color is not, can't be, and shouldn't ever be an issue of valid contention in relation to anyone's perceptions of what's "original", and what is not. (Originality-squad take note: pursuing this one is a frivalous waste of time, and will get thrown out of court, with possible suspension of your badges. Keep your citation-books in your pockets, and concentrate on whether a tail-light lens is glass or plastic, or something like that) (though I must concede that the occasional practice back in the fifties of painting black-and-white checkerboard designs on radiator-slats should be an exception to the rule, and punishable to the full extent of the Federal court's Bad-Taste statutes) Two to five years incarceration in a ten-by-ten room tiled with black and white checkerboard tiles on all the walls, floors and ceilings, followed by a year of counseling from Martha Stewart would do nicely. This is obviously a "genetic" issue, with many possible outcomes, and therefore acceptable. I think Darwin would agree. (The "checkerboard" theme would fall under the category of genetic tampering, which Darwin wouldn't understand, but Monsanto would defend. Best to all, Sam

----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Shirley Mink To: Sam Suklis ; Mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: Radiator Slats It is a fact that many TCs were repainted by the dealer prior to sale as a result of damage suffered during transport. It is also a fact that dealers sometimes repainted cars to match customer wants. "A red one, well come back tomorrow"! I have been told that it was also possible to go to the factory and have your car painted in any color or combination of colors you were willing to pay for. Given this situation combined with the shortages in the UK during the time our cars were manufactured it is, in my opinion, almost impossible to say what was or was not "original". I will grant that there were probably no purple TCs. Jim, TC 8970 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]