minnesota and plastics

[RobertWichert]

Wow! Are you infallible, Bogan? I'm in California, myself. Good answer though! Thanks! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 3/19/2013 7:37 AM, Bogdan Swider wrote: > Not that anyone is dying of anticipation .here's the answer: Both the KLR and Pope Francis operate on one lung. He had one of his mostly removed when he was a teenager. > > Bogdan, who sometimes feels like he's infallible sitting on his KLR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[bryanonfire]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote:

> > What does Pope Francis have in common with a KLR ? > > Bogdan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

They both only have one lung.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote:

> > Not that anyone is dying of anticipation .here's the answer: Both the KLR and Pope Francis operate on one lung. He had one of his mostly removed when he was a teenager. > > Bogdan, who sometimes feels like he's infallible sitting on his KLR

Did I miss something? I thought the albatross was roosting on a Honda xyz1000 these days. revmaaatin. who has a fallible memory.

[John Biccum]

 

My A16 (2002) had unfaded plastic, not a lot of sunshine in Seattle. But I would never call the plastics pristine since they had way too much off-road rash to qualify. I swapped on some black (2007) plastic to better match the (black) aftermarket tank and Pelican luggage. But the new 07 plastic soon showed the scars of serious offroad use and quickly lost its pristine status.

 

My thoughts are that the bike was purchased to be USED and that use is the incompatible with keep the plastic looking like new.

[b]From:[/b] eddiebmauri@... [DSN_KLR650] [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, March 16, 2016 05:31 [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Minnesota and Plastics

 

 

OK, so the other I am at a gas station (here in San Antonio) in my cage and a (green) KLR pulls up next to me......... the plastics were in show room condition.  I figured it must have been one of the last of the old model KLRs; judging from the looks of the plastics.  I asked, "what year is your KLR", the response was, "an '02'"  - "No, really, what year is it?  (I said) "I have an '03 and my plastics went from dark green, to light green, to pitted bone white, I know better!"  So the guy tells me that he is from Minnesota, and up there you have to garage things in the winter, so his plastics remained green!   How many of you all up north have pristine green plastics?  I'd like to visit Minnesota, but I do not have a passport so I can not go to Canada......... Eddie

 

[Magen, R. A.]

My guess is that THIS is the place . . . as in 'All Things KLR'. I haven't ridden in over a year now . . . an auto accident {NO motorcycle involvement} that I had to be cut out of - and still NO memory of it. No real physical problems, but still have stability & balance issues. I have two bikes - both gotten used at VERY GOOD prices. A 2003 KLR650, and just before the accident a 1977 T140V Triumph Bonneville - almost PRISTINE. The KLR is a bit faded - like it that way, got an aftermarket front fender and painted it Matt OD Green - and has a few scratches. Here's the point and the questions . . . NO rough, off-road riding, the KLR has 'tipped over' a few times from being tall & having 50lbs of fuel above the CG. My wife wants me to sell it, ". . . since you'll never ride it again . . .". First, NO way do I want to 'drop' the Bonnie - I'm looking for a sidecar. Second, I'm trying to figure out a way -outside of 'Training Wheels'- to make the KLR more stable. I bought it with lowered 'dog bones' {1-1/2in which I believe is the 'lowest'} so I can 'flat-foot' with my riding boots. The first -'no cost'- thing I want to try is the RAISE the forks about 1-1/2in. Just loosen 4 bolts and 'Bob's your uncle'. I'm told that will make the bike 'Twitchey', but I DON'T intend to do any riding on 'Twisties'. Some of the research I've done says others have done this and DIDN'T see any difference !! We'll see - IF I can get up confidence enough to RIDE. NEXT - change the CG. The fuel adds 50 pounds - at the TOP of the bike. When I stopped by 'my' British bike guy's shop the other day he was getting some cut-up 1-1/2in square hollow iron tubing delivered. He was building a work bench. Anyway, it gave me an idea . . . I already have 'Engine Guards' which have 'road pegs' attached. IF I attach a piece of this stuff - about as wide as the handlebars, or a bit wider, where the 'pegs are, stuff them full of Re-Bar, have 'caps' bolted on, - THAT should weigh enough to 'cancel out' the tank, or even a bit more and balance or lower the CG. At least that's what my 'engineering mind' says . . . what say you ??? Regards & Thanks, Ron Magen

[Mark]

Hey M.  As for "All things KLR" Yup Many. But Another LARGE group (IF you Facebook) is "Kawasaki KLR 650 Owners" (space the KLR650) Over 7,000 "members" since Oct 2015. Some are from this Email group, Some are ALLLLLL over the World, China South America, Africa,, Australia etc etc. (Most in the USA) Travel Safe! Travel Well! On Monday, March 21, 2016 8:58 AM, "'Magen, R. A. ' quahaug@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  My guess is that THIS is the place . . . as in 'All Things KLR'. I haven't ridden in over a year now . . . an auto accident {NO motorcycle involvement} that I had to be cut out of - and still NO memory of it. No real physical problems, but still have stability & balance issues. I have two bikes - both gotten used at VERY GOOD prices. A 2003 KLR650, and just before the accident a 1977 T140V Triumph Bonneville - almost PRISTINE. The KLR is a bit faded - like it that way, got an aftermarket front fender and painted it Matt OD Green - and has a few scratches. Here's the point and the questions . . . NO rough, off-road riding, the KLR has 'tipped over' a few times from being tall & having 50lbs of fuel above the CG. My wife wants me to sell it, ". . . since you'll never ride it again . . .". First, NO way do I want to 'drop' the Bonnie - I'm looking for a sidecar. Second, I'm trying to figure out a way -outside of 'Training Wheels'- to make the KLR more stable. I bought it with lowered 'dog bones' {1-1/2in which I believe is the 'lowest'} so I can 'flat-foot' with my riding boots. The first -'no cost'- thing I want to try is the RAISE the forks about 1-1/2in. Just loosen 4 bolts and 'Bob's your uncle'. I'm told that will make the bike 'Twitchey', but I DON'T intend to do any riding on 'Twisties'. Some of the research I've done says others have done this and DIDN'T see any difference !! We'll see - IF I can get up confidence enough to RIDE. NEXT - change the CG. The fuel adds 50 pounds - at the TOP of the bike. When I stopped by 'my' British bike guy's shop the other day he was getting some cut-up 1-1/2in square hollow iron tubing delivered. He was building a work bench. Anyway, it gave me an idea . . . I already have 'Engine Guards' which have 'road pegs' attached. IF I attach a piece of this stuff - about as wide as the handlebars, or a bit wider, where the 'pegs are, stuff them full of Re-Bar, have 'caps' bolted on, - THAT should weigh enough to 'cancel out' the tank, or even a bit more and balance or lower the CG. At least that's what my 'engineering mind' says . . . what say you ??? 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[Michael Martin]

Ron, any weight you add to the bike will not cancel out the tank weight,  The tank weight will still be there.  The added weight will add to the effort you'll need to keep from dropping the bike.  This added effort will be small since the added weight is closer to the ground. The only way you could add weight to cancel out the tank weight would require the added weight to be below ground level, which is of course impossible. Mike Martin,Louisville, KY [b]From:[/b] "'Magen, R. A. ' quahaug@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, March 21, 2016 8:57 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Question ?   NEXT - change the CG. The fuel adds 50 pounds - at the TOP of the bike. When I stopped by 'my' British bike guy's shop the other day he was getting some cut-up 1-1/2in square hollow iron tubing delivered. He was building a work bench. Anyway, it gave me an idea . . . I already have 'Engine Guards' which have 'road pegs' attached. IF I attach a piece of this stuff - about as wide as the handlebars, or a bit wider, where the 'pegs are, stuff them full of Re-Bar, have 'caps' bolted on, - THAT should weigh enough to 'cancel out' the tank, or even a bit more and balance or lower the CG. At least that's what my 'engineering mind' says . . . what say you ??? Regards & Thanks, Ron Magen Posted by: "Magen, R. A. 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[Martin Earl]

Hello Ron,Welcome back. I feel your pain after the accident AND the struggle with balance problems. IRT to balancing the bike = making it easier to ride. I have never rode a bike with the fork legs raised in the triple trees, but have known several who got along fine.After doing that mod, treat the KLR as a machine you have never ridden before, because, it is a machine you have never ridden before. After doing such modifications, explore the limits of the bike slowly, ie enter a turn at 30 mph and see how the bike reacts.Enter the same turn with 2-3mph increases to see if your fork position affects bike stability.IMO, much of the fork length is about giving the bike clearance, and not so much about its actual stability. IRT to adding rebar to lower CG--Most people remove things rather than add weight down low. Rear foot pegs, inner fenders, some change the exhaust.Adding weight makes the bike more difficult to pick up when it invariably, will fall down. IRT to your suggest 50# of gas.Gasoline weighs [the density of gasoline can be calculated to be [i][b]6.183 pounds[/b][/i] per gallon] ~6.2#/gal.6gal capacity x 6.2 = 37.2#/tank of gas. You are 13# less than when we started this conversation.A very FAST way to reduce weight by 18.6# is only put 3 gallons of fuel in the tank.We did this in flying machines. Only carry as much gas as you need. Remember, the last 1/2 gallon is trapped fuel on the right half of the tank, so if you put in an actual 3 gal of fuel, only 2.5 is (easily) usable, and you will most likely hit reserve ~90-100 miles, and then (maybe) will have 25 miles of reserve (I trust only 20miles) before you have to lay the bike on its right side and slosh trapped fuel from the double secret reserve (that 1/2 gallon of trapped fuel) into the left half of the tank. Just so you know, you get about 8 miles from that double secret reserve of the first attempt, and ~4 miles extra the second time you do it.Also, if you follow this suggestion, it is a good idea to keep the tank full for winter storage or the exposed metal inside the tank might rust (depending on your local humidity levels.) Another fairly inexpensive mod you can make is have the front wheel laced to a 17" rim. You can do it, or have some one like Buchanan Spokes do it for you. As I recall, it might lower the bike as much as 2" Another (wise-guy) way to add HP/# is lose 20# around the waist.NOTE: it didn't work for me either. Work with your physical therapist on regaining your inherent balance.Standing on one foot with your eyes closed will help, as well as performing 'swimmers-flip-turns' at the swimming pool. Lastly, ride a bike that works for you. It is easier to sell a bike that you got at a good price than sell one you paid to much. wink.as a suggestion-A Yamaha TW200 , has a significantly lower seat height, gives plenty of grins and will take you places you probably will not ride a KLR at this time. Riding a bike that no longer works for you is like installing dry wall screws with a hammer; yeah, it works, but there are easier, less frustrating ways to install drywall.m1. [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipmcdn.avast.com%2Fimages%2F2016%2Ficons%2Ficon-envelope-tick-round-orange-v1.png&t=1571810444&sig=fS6Yg43ggh_tJJ5.ZfJdog--~E[/img] This email is safe. www.avast.com

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 6:57 AM, 'Magen, R. A. ' quahaug@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: My guess is that THIS is the place . . . as in 'All Things KLR'. I haven't ridden in over a year now . . . an auto accident {NO motorcycle involvement} that I had to be cut out of - and still NO memory of it. No real physical problems, but still have stability & balance issues. I have two bikes - both gotten used at VERY GOOD prices. A 2003 KLR650, and just before the accident a 1977 T140V Triumph Bonneville - almost PRISTINE. The KLR is a bit faded - like it that way, got an aftermarket front fender and painted it Matt OD Green - and has a few scratches. Here's the point and the questions . . . NO rough, off-road riding, the KLR has 'tipped over' a few times from being tall & having 50lbs of fuel above the CG. My wife wants me to sell it, ". . . since you'll never ride it again . . .". First, NO way do I want to 'drop' the Bonnie - I'm looking for a sidecar. Second, I'm trying to figure out a way -outside of 'Training Wheels'- to make the KLR more stable. I bought it with lowered 'dog bones' {1-1/2in which I believe is the 'lowest'} so I can 'flat-foot' with my riding boots. The first -'no cost'- thing I want to try is the RAISE the forks about 1-1/2in. Just loosen 4 bolts and 'Bob's your uncle'. I'm told that will make the bike 'Twitchey', but I DON'T intend to do any riding on 'Twisties'. Some of the research I've done says others have done this and DIDN'T see any difference !! We'll see - IF I can get up confidence enough to RIDE. NEXT - change the CG. The fuel adds 50 pounds - at the TOP of the bike. When I stopped by 'my' British bike guy's shop the other day he was getting some cut-up 1-1/2in square hollow iron tubing delivered. He was building a work bench. Anyway, it gave me an idea . . . I already have 'Engine Guards' which have 'road pegs' attached. IF I attach a piece of this stuff - about as wide as the handlebars, or a bit wider, where the 'pegs are, stuff them full of Re-Bar, have 'caps' bolted on, - THAT should weigh enough to 'cancel out' the tank, or even a bit more and balance or lower the CG. At least that's what my 'engineering mind' says . . . what say you ??? Regards & Thanks, Ron Magen ------------------------------------ Posted by: "Magen, R. A. " ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023 ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/ Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/join (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email: DSN_KLR650-digest@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/

[Martin Earl]

I misspoke, and unfortunately, the forum format does not allow you edit. shrug-the double secret reserve fuel is on the right side; you must lay the bike on the LEFT side to move the fuel from the right side to the left side.m1.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Martin Earl wrote: Hello Ron,Welcome back. I feel your pain after the accident AND the struggle with balance problems. IRT to balancing the bike = making it easier to ride. I have never rode a bike with the fork legs raised in the triple trees, but have known several who got along fine.After doing that mod, treat the KLR as a machine you have never ridden before, because, it is a machine you have never ridden before. After doing such modifications, explore the limits of the bike slowly, ie enter a turn at 30 mph and see how the bike reacts.Enter the same turn with 2-3mph increases to see if your fork position affects bike stability.IMO, much of the fork length is about giving the bike clearance, and not so much about its actual stability. IRT to adding rebar to lower CG--Most people remove things rather than add weight down low. Rear foot pegs, inner fenders, some change the exhaust.Adding weight makes the bike more difficult to pick up when it invariably, will fall down. IRT to your suggest 50# of gas.Gasoline weighs [the density of gasoline can be calculated to be [i][b]6.183 pounds[/b][/i] per gallon] ~6.2#/gal.6gal capacity x 6.2 = 37.2#/tank of gas. You are 13# less than when we started this conversation.A very FAST way to reduce weight by 18.6# is only put 3 gallons of fuel in the tank.We did this in flying machines. Only carry as much gas as you need. Remember, the last 1/2 gallon is trapped fuel on the right half of the tank, so if you put in an actual 3 gal of fuel, only 2.5 is (easily) usable, and you will most likely hit reserve ~90-100 miles, and then (maybe) will have 25 miles of reserve (I trust only 20miles) before you have to lay the bike on its right side and slosh trapped fuel from the double secret reserve (that 1/2 gallon of trapped fuel) into the left half of the tank. Just so you know, you get about 8 miles from that double secret reserve of the first attempt, and ~4 miles extra the second time you do it.Also, if you follow this suggestion, it is a good idea to keep the tank full for winter storage or the exposed metal inside the tank might rust (depending on your local humidity levels.) Another fairly inexpensive mod you can make is have the front wheel laced to a 17" rim. You can do it, or have some one like Buchanan Spokes do it for you. As I recall, it might lower the bike as much as 2" Another (wise-guy) way to add HP/# is lose 20# around the waist.NOTE: it didn't work for me either. Work with your physical therapist on regaining your inherent balance.Standing on one foot with your eyes closed will help, as well as performing 'swimmers-flip-turns' at the swimming pool. Lastly, ride a bike that works for you. It is easier to sell a bike that you got at a good price than sell one you paid to much. wink.as a suggestion-A Yamaha TW200 , has a significantly lower seat height, gives plenty of grins and will take you places you probably will not ride a KLR at this time. Riding a bike that no longer works for you is like installing dry wall screws with a hammer; yeah, it works, but there are easier, less frustrating ways to install drywall.m1. [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fipmcdn.avast.com%2Fimages%2F2016%2Ficons%2Ficon-envelope-tick-round-orange-v1.png&t=1571810444&sig=fS6Yg43ggh_tJJ5.ZfJdog--~E[/img] This email is safe. www.avast.com On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 6:57 AM, 'Magen, R. A. ' quahaug@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: My guess is that THIS is the place . . . as in 'All Things KLR'. I haven't ridden in over a year now . . . an auto accident {NO motorcycle involvement} that I had to be cut out of - and still NO memory of it. No real physical problems, but still have stability & balance issues. I have two bikes - both gotten used at VERY GOOD prices. A 2003 KLR650, and just before the accident a 1977 T140V Triumph Bonneville - almost PRISTINE. The KLR is a bit faded - like it that way, got an aftermarket front fender and painted it Matt OD Green - and has a few scratches. Here's the point and the questions . . . NO rough, off-road riding, the KLR has 'tipped over' a few times from being tall & having 50lbs of fuel above the CG. My wife wants me to sell it, ". . . since you'll never ride it again . . .". First, NO way do I want to 'drop' the Bonnie - I'm looking for a sidecar. Second, I'm trying to figure out a way -outside of 'Training Wheels'- to make the KLR more stable. I bought it with lowered 'dog bones' {1-1/2in which I believe is the 'lowest'} so I can 'flat-foot' with my riding boots. The first -'no cost'- thing I want to try is the RAISE the forks about 1-1/2in. Just loosen 4 bolts and 'Bob's your uncle'. I'm told that will make the bike 'Twitchey', but I DON'T intend to do any riding on 'Twisties'. Some of the research I've done says others have done this and DIDN'T see any difference !! We'll see - IF I can get up confidence enough to RIDE. NEXT - change the CG. The fuel adds 50 pounds - at the TOP of the bike. When I stopped by 'my' British bike guy's shop the other day he was getting some cut-up 1-1/2in square hollow iron tubing delivered. He was building a work bench. Anyway, it gave me an idea . . . I already have 'Engine Guards' which have 'road pegs' attached. IF I attach a piece of this stuff - about as wide as the handlebars, or a bit wider, where the 'pegs are, stuff them full of Re-Bar, have 'caps' bolted on, - THAT should weigh enough to 'cancel out' the tank, or even a bit more and balance or lower the CG. At least that's what my 'engineering mind' says . . . what say you ??? 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The subject of balance and instability after an accident  Plus not remembering a thing about it is very familiar with me. Happen to me in '86 with a hit and run that left me in a ditch for dead. Vertigo , thankfully was the only lingering effect. Which took about 5 years to get under control enough to get back on a bicycle with some sort of confidence. LOL! A '92 KLR.  Happened the next year. It was a gradual learning experience on balance and timing. Now, over 200K miles later and to the 4 corners of the US with some Mex and Can involved, I'm back to just riding local the age induced balance factor is trying to rear it's ugly head, again. But, daily practice with this helps and still riding most every day possible on either my KLR or Bandit 1250S. 

Give it time and work slowly, it'll come around.