rear shock

[J. Sherlock]

I don't want to embarrass, irritate, or aggravate anyone. Yet, with three doohickey's now on the market, which one is the best? By the best, I mean the best engineered, tooled, supported, and fitting. As far as I know, I've had no doohickey problems. Yet, if this list is accurate, I could be playing Russian Roulette with my motor. Responders are welcome to e-mail me directly if they do not wish to offend anyone. Thank you & Happy Holiday's. jim_ama585601 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Zachariah Mully]

On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 22:49, J. Sherlock wrote:

> I don't want to embarrass, irritate, or aggravate anyone. Yet, with > three doohickey's now on the market, which one is the best? By the > best, I mean the best engineered, tooled, supported, and fitting. As > far as I know, I've had no doohickey problems. Yet, if this list is

Hmm... Who else is making one besides Jake (the original doohickey) and Eagle Machine (aka Zen lever, also sold through Fayette Motorcycles, Fred, and Happy Trails)? Only because it's the lever I am familiar with, Jake's is a nice hunk of 4130 steel that's been heat treated to MIL-H-6875 spec (which includes tempering of the steel). I have a copy of the certification sitting on my desk if you're interested in it. If you're looking for the very best fit, order an undersize DH from Jake, this'll allow you to hand file it for a tight fit. There appear to be rather large tolerances in the balancer shaft dimensions so hand fitting your DH is the *only* way to get a perfect fit. Place your order now, AFAIK both Jake and Eagle don't have any in stock and are preparing new batches of levers. Z DC

[Mark St.Hilaire, Sr]

> I don't want to embarrass, irritate, or aggravate anyone. Yet, with > three doohickey's now on the market, which one is the best?

I don't want to stir anything up either, but here's my opinion. Jake and Devon busted their butts to develop, and then produce a replacment for the stock lever. It's been through a couple revisions, and is now more than ready for prime time. Jake has my full confidence in his ability to make the part that is needed, and to make it in exactly the correct way. It seems to me that any and all newcomers are taking advantage of all the brainstorming and sweat, and simply riding the coattails of the machinist who's been working on this from the time the problem was identified. Mark KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If you don't get a response, please try: KLR6500@...

[Guest]

To set the record straight - NO ONE is riding on anyone's coat tails! I've been making parts for ELDEN for about 12 years now - not all KLR - but most. The second job I ran on my mill was for him in 1990. (I also make proprietary parts for other sellers of KLR parts. They own the design, and may have someone else make them in the future.) He came to me and asked me to make the "doohickey" when he was not satisfied with what was available. There is enough work in the design and programming that whem a couple of people wanted me to make them in quantity, I said fine. At the time, I had not heard of Devon, or his web page. My thanks to him for doing such a wonderful job for no money. Mike - Eagle Mfg & Eng --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" wrote:

>> I don't want to stir anything up either, but here's my opinion.

Jake and

> Devon busted their butts to develop, and then produce a replacment

for the

> stock lever. It's been through a couple revisions, and is now more

than

> ready for prime time. Jake has my full confidence in his ability to

make the

> part that is needed, and to make it in exactly the correct way. > > It seems to me that any and all newcomers are taking advantage of

all the

> brainstorming and sweat, and simply riding the coattails of the

machinist

> who's been working on this from the time the problem was identified. > > Mark > > > > KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: > http://klr6500.tripod.com/ > > HomePage: > http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html > > My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If > you don't get a response, please try: > KLR6500@h...

[Conall O'Brien]

I don't know about what you said Mark St. Hilaire, Sr, that sounds like sour grapes to me. This list is really getting cut throat IMO. You assume that newcomers are not good? Well you were a newcomer too at one point. Besides the person who was mainly responsible for the Eagle part has been working around KLRs longer than any of us. Conall-biting my tongue

>From: "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" >Reply-To: "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" >To: "1 - KLR650 List" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >CC: >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] KLR 650 Doohickey >Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:47:19 -0500 > > > I don't want to embarrass, irritate, or aggravate anyone. Yet, with > > three doohickey's now on the market, which one is the best? > >I don't want to stir anything up either, but here's my opinion. Jake and >Devon busted their butts to develop, and then produce a replacment for the >stock lever. It's been through a couple revisions, and is now more than >ready for prime time. Jake has my full confidence in his ability to make >the >part that is needed, and to make it in exactly the correct way. > >It seems to me that any and all newcomers are taking advantage of all the >brainstorming and sweat, and simply riding the coattails of the machinist >who's been working on this from the time the problem was identified. > >Mark >

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[Devon Jarvis]

The various doohickeys look similar because they perform identical tasks. It's simply a case of parallel development. It's a free country. I'm sure Elden and Mike put in just about the same amount of work as Jake and I (and all the other folks on the list who supplied parts and advice). They developed and produced a part, they have every right to sell it, at whatever price they choose. Devon A15 "wannabsmooth1 " wrote:

> > To set the record straight - NO ONE is riding on anyone's coat tails! > > I've been making parts for ELDEN for about 12 years now - not all > KLR - but most. The second job I ran on my mill was for him in 1990. > (I also make proprietary parts for other sellers of KLR parts. They > own the design, and may have someone else make them in the future.) > > He came to me and asked me to make the "doohickey" when he was not > satisfied with what was available. There is enough work in the design > and programming that whem a couple of people wanted me to make them > in quantity, I said fine. At the time, I had not heard of Devon, or > his web page. My thanks to him for doing such a wonderful job for no > money. > > Mike - Eagle Mfg & Eng > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" > wrote: > >> I don't want to stir anything up either, but here's my opinion. > Jake and > > Devon busted their butts to develop, and then produce a replacment > for the > > stock lever. It's been through a couple revisions, and is now more > than > > ready for prime time. Jake has my full confidence in his ability to > make the > > part that is needed, and to make it in exactly the correct way. > > > > It seems to me that any and all newcomers are taking advantage of > all the > > brainstorming and sweat, and simply riding the coattails of the > machinist > > who's been working on this from the time the problem was identified. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: > > http://klr6500.tripod.com/ > > > > HomePage: > > http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html > > > > My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If > > you don't get a response, please try: > > KLR6500@h... > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Guest]

Could you clarify that a little? Are us newbies supposed to go hammer out our own freakin' doohickey if we're a real man, or what? --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" wrote:

> It seems to me that any and all newcomers are taking advantage of

all the

> brainstorming and sweat, and simply riding the coattails of the

machinist

> who's been working on this from the time the problem was identified. > > Mark > > > > KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: > http://klr6500.tripod.com/ > > HomePage: > http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html > > My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If > you don't get a response, please try: > KLR6500@h...

[Zachariah Mully]

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 13:33, Devon Jarvis wrote:

> The various doohickeys look similar because they perform identical > tasks. It's simply a case of parallel development. > > It's a free country. I'm sure Elden and Mike put in just about the same > amount of work as Jake and I (and all the other folks on the list who > supplied parts and advice). They developed and produced a part, they > have every right to sell it, at whatever price they choose. > > Devon > A15

I think we should just "open source" the doohickey design. It's not like anyone is going to come up with a significantly different design than both Jake and Mike came up with, and with Jake eventually retiring, it'd be a good way to make sure all the work that's gone into the DH design is availible to everyone in the future. Once I get my new computer set up, I plan on getting all the front end stuff into AutoCAD and I'll do the doohickey as well. Z DC

[Russell Scott]

Jake is a great guy, so is Fred. So whoever you buy your doohickey from is ok, as long as its one of those two. Russell

[Mark St.Hilaire, Sr]

> Jake is a great guy, so is Fred. So whoever you buy your doohickey from

is

> ok, as long as its one of those two.

Thanks for saying that - now YOU can take over as chief hate mail recipient. (Grinning) Mark KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If you don't get a response, please try: KLR6500@...