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[alaska_rider]

Okay, I've got to ask. I'm as anal retentive as the next guy (I'm not proud of it) but really, what are we talking in +/- tolerences for the shims. Are they really that far out? I mean, does it matter? I have not yet done a shim and bucket valve adjustment job but have done the set screw type and know that you are only going to get soooo precise with that type of arrangement. Basically what I am saying is it worth worrying if the shims are .001 off? Hell, even my feeler guages jump up in sizes greater than that. I too want to be perfect but then I always have to remeber that in real life there is only so much precision I am going to achieve in my home garage. I always like to think that I'm taking that extra step that the dealership technician is likely to ignore.

[Devon Jarvis]

I found a shim that was the next size down from what was marked. .001" doesn't sound like much, but it's 50% of the difference in size between shims, so I'd say it's way too much. And, the first time you're adjusting valves and nothing measures out to what you'd expect when you put it back together, it's nice to know why. Shim'n'bucket is simply a far more precise way to adjust valves, I have two bikes with screw'n'locknut and honestly considering the amount of times that the valves have to be adjusted over the ife of a bike, I'll take the shims. Devon alaska_rider wrote:

> Okay, I've got to ask. I'm as anal retentive as the next guy (I'm not > proud of it) but really, what are we talking in +/- tolerences for > the shims. Are they really that far out? I mean, does it matter? I > have not yet done a shim and bucket valve adjustment job but have > done the set screw type and know that you are only going to get soooo > precise with that type of arrangement. Basically what I am saying is > it worth worrying if the shims are .001 off? Hell, even my feeler > guages jump up in sizes greater than that. I too want to be perfect > but then I always have to remeber that in real life there is only so > much precision I am going to achieve in my home garage. I always like > to think that I'm taking that extra step that the dealership > technician is likely to ignore.

[Ryan Newman]

> Did you use a micrometer to actually measure the actual sizes of the > original shims and the new shims, or did you just believe what was > written on them?

No, I didn't measure them. I figured that what was written on them was correct. But from what I hear, they can be a size off of what is written. I checked the clearances about 5 times after I put it back together, so I'm not too worried. Ryan

[oleland1]

My local dealer also did not stock valve shims ,I found the proper shims at the local Yamaha dealer ,not sure which model they were from however.

[Chris]

Fundamentally this bothers me as I suspect that the same dealers with no shims in stock would gladly charge you for a 'valve adjustment' and have the bike to you the next day. How could a shop not stock valve shims?

> My local dealer also did not stock valve shims ,I found the proper > shims at the local Yamaha dealer ,not sure which model they were from > however. >

[Martin Waters]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote:

> Fundamentally this bothers me as I suspect that the same dealers

with

> no shims in stock would gladly charge you for a 'valve adjustment'

and

> have the bike to you the next day. How could a shop not stock valve > shims? > > > > My local dealer also did not stock valve shims ,I found the proper > > shims at the local Yamaha dealer ,not sure which model they were

from

> > however. > >

The 2 dealers I deal with: one stocks them; one exchanges them for the one{s) you don't want for tne size you need.

[West Hovland]

I went to Cycle Sports, my local Honda/Kawasaki dealer. Asked the parts counter for valve shims, they didn't understand what I was asking for. "You know little shims used for a valve adjustment"?... blank stare. He fires up the micro fiche and I show him. "I'll have to order those" he sprightly retorts. "I'll go ask the service dept if they will sell me some" I offer. "Can I purchase a few valve shims from you guys?" I ask of the service manager. "We don't carry any of those in stock" he replies. "You don't carry them, or you just don't want to raid your stash?" I ask. "We don't carry them" he replies cheerfully. "How do you do the valve's without them?" I query. .... blank stare. "Goodbye" West Eugene, OR.

----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.comdsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] RE: Valve shims Fundamentally this bothers me as I suspect that the same dealers with no shims in stock would gladly charge you for a 'valve adjustment' and have the bike to you the next day. How could a shop not stock valve shims? > My local dealer also did not stock valve shims ,I found the proper > shims at the local Yamaha dealer ,not sure which model they were from > however. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Martin Waters]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "WEST HOVLAND" wrote:

> I went to Cycle Sports, my local Honda/Kawasaki dealer. Asked the

parts counter for valve shims, they didn't understand what I was asking for. "You know little shims used for a valve adjustment"?... blank stare. He fires up the micro fiche and I show him. "I'll have to order those" he sprightly retorts. "I'll go ask the service dept if they will sell me some" I offer.

> > "Can I purchase a few valve shims from you guys?" I ask of the

service manager. "We don't carry any of those in stock" he replies. "You don't carry them, or you just don't want to raid your stash?" I ask. "We don't carry them" he replies cheerfully. "How do you do the valve's without them?" I query. .... blank stare.

> > "Goodbye" > > West > Eugene, OR. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.comdsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] RE: Valve shims > > > Fundamentally this bothers me as I suspect that the same dealers

with

> no shims in stock would gladly charge you for a 'valve

adjustment' and

> have the bike to you the next day. How could a shop not stock

valve

> shims? > > > > My local dealer also did not stock valve shims ,I found the

proper

> > shims at the local Yamaha dealer ,not sure which model they

were from

> > however. > > > I bought a set of Fred's shims during the winter so I had them when

I did my valves. I only have to replace one to keep a full set. Martin in Canada

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Waters" wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" wrote: > > Fundamentally this bothers me as I suspect that the same dealers > with > > no shims in stock would gladly charge you for a 'valve adjustment' > and > > have the bike to you the next day. How could a shop not stock valve > > shims? > > > > > > > My local dealer also did not stock valve shims ,I found the proper > > > shims at the local Yamaha dealer ,not sure which model they were > from > > > however. > > > > > The 2 dealers I deal with: one stocks them; one exchanges them for > the one{s) you don't want for tne size you need.

My local dealer never really said if he had them, but told me that his retail was I think $12.99 each.. I pretty much quit listening at that point. And his chuckle on the phone when I asked if he would exchange sizes pretty much told me his next reply when I even said exchange plus pay a couple bucks. Then came Fred donning his Super Hero Red tights and Black Cape and shipped me out the 3 sizes I needed for the cost of just one "little steel pucks" I could have gotten locally. Fred you da Man... Dooden A15 Green Ape

[James L. Miller Jr.]

Now THERE'S a visual! Red tights, red hair, black cape. I may never be able to think of Wonder Woman again with out thinking of Super Fred. Thanks, thanks a whole lot. Beesterds! millerized (wishin this was MADS so I could really let you have it!)

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: Then came Fred donning his Super Hero Red tights and Black Cape