2015 with a bad doo

[Kurt Simpson]

> I just checked my valves both intakes at .004 both exhaust at .006, tight > side of scale . > Should I change to next size smaller or wait a couple K to change them.

As

> next size down would give me .006 and .008 middle of range.

I'd swap 'em Larrry... Kurt

[Jeff Walker]

Always use a micrometer to measure the shims thickness. Don't just trust the size that is listed on the shim. I have found a couple that are miss-sized, and yes, manufacturing processes will produce a variation in the actual size of the shims. Jeff

> so in preparation for moab, and with 6300 miles on my y2k, and with the > knowledge that one of my valves was right at the spec limit when i checked

2

> months ago, i set about tearing my bike apart. much easier the second

time,

> at least as far as the valve checking goes. it only took me a minute or so > to get the valve cover out this time. it seems to help if i pull the

rubber

> gasket out of 1 side to clear the cam chain guide and stuff a little

easier.

> > 2 more valves had closed up 1 feeler size (.001), i think they were at

004,

> 005, (in) and 006, 007 (out). i figured i'd drop 2 sizes on all but the

005

> and 007, to put them at the far end of spec, so i wouldn't have to muck

with

> them again for a long time. called the local kawi dealer, who usually has > good prices, and he wanted $9 each. WTF? i knew fred had em for way less, > and i know fred is a fairly small operation that gets fairly standard

retail

> margins, so i figured there had to be a better source. called the local > independent parts shop, they want $5, or $2.50 with trade-in. much better. > went in and got them (got a tire too, and some spare tubes) and discovered > they were yamaha shims. so that's the ticket. anyway, they look the same,

so

> no problem. got home, put them in, checked clearances. i had expected > clearances of 008, 007, 010 and 009, but instead i got 007, 007, 009 and > 009. > > so i was curious, do most people find that the new clearance is not quite > what they calculated? mine are pretty dang close, and they're exactly

where

> i would want them if i could choose, but i was wondering if anyone else

had

> noticed such a thing. maybe the new shims seat in microscopically after a > bit. maybe i had too much oil on them when i put them in. maybe yamaha

shims

> are ever so slightly different. maybe shim manufacturing tolerances

account

> for it. maybe i was measuring in inches and the shims are measured in mm.

i

> dunno. just curious anyway. > > -mark weaver > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/5/_/911801/_/959881910/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >

[Weaver, Mark]

i used my field-expedient micrometer, install and remeasure. happily they were all more or less the right size. i would've been annoyed if i'd had to go all the way back in to town. mw

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Walker [mailto:jlwalk@...] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 11:29 AM > To: Klrlist (E-mail); Weaver, Mark > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] valve shims > > > Always use a micrometer to measure the shims thickness. > Don't just trust > the size that is listed on the shim. I have found a couple that are > miss-sized, and yes, manufacturing processes will produce a > variation in the > actual size of the shims. > > Jeff > > > so in preparation for moab, and with 6300 miles on my y2k, > and with the > > knowledge that one of my valves was right at the spec limit > when i checked > 2 > > months ago, i set about tearing my bike apart. much easier > the second > time, > > at least as far as the valve checking goes. it only took me > a minute or so > > to get the valve cover out this time. it seems to help if i pull the > rubber > > gasket out of 1 side to clear the cam chain guide and stuff a little > easier. > > > > 2 more valves had closed up 1 feeler size (.001), i think > they were at > 004, > > 005, (in) and 006, 007 (out). i figured i'd drop 2 sizes on > all but the > 005 > > and 007, to put them at the far end of spec, so i wouldn't > have to muck > with > > them again for a long time. called the local kawi dealer, > who usually has > > good prices, and he wanted $9 each. WTF? i knew fred had em > for way less, > > and i know fred is a fairly small operation that gets > fairly standard > retail > > margins, so i figured there had to be a better source. > called the local > > independent parts shop, they want $5, or $2.50 with > trade-in. much better. > > went in and got them (got a tire too, and some spare tubes) > and discovered > > they were yamaha shims. so that's the ticket. anyway, they > look the same, > so > > no problem. got home, put them in, checked clearances. i > had expected > > clearances of 008, 007, 010 and 009, but instead i got 007, > 007, 009 and > > 009. > > > > so i was curious, do most people find that the new > clearance is not quite > > what they calculated? mine are pretty dang close, and > they're exactly > where > > i would want them if i could choose, but i was wondering if > anyone else > had > > noticed such a thing. maybe the new shims seat in > microscopically after a > > bit. maybe i had too much oil on them when i put them in. > maybe yamaha > shims > > are ever so slightly different. maybe shim manufacturing tolerances > account > > for it. maybe i was measuring in inches and the shims are > measured in mm. > i > > dunno. just curious anyway. > > > > -mark weaver > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/5/_/911801/_/959881910/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > >

[Dash Weeks]

Concurring Drivel..... My buddy's new (to him) KLR needed three new shims when we tore into it last week. Called the local (100 mi.) Kawi dealer and they wanted $10.30 for each one. He called.. not me. I took the boy by the hand, drove him all the way to the big city to learn him some on how friendly the local Kawi dealer is. R&S in Albuquerque, by the way. I went straight for the Service Dept. Asked if they would do a shim swap for me. "sure if we need 'em", then out comes two boxes full of the wrong size (diameter), discouraged.... Then comes the right box, most of them were used so they had even less problem with doing it for me, even though they didn't need them. Precisely what we needed. He splurged for lunch with the extra $30 in his pocket. Definitely go to the Service Dept., don't call first, just DO IT. A little "man your awesome, never hurts". It is much harder to say NO face to face than it is on the phone. I use R&S because they are awesome. They treat me right when I go there, they are always willing to help, I almost always learn something new when I am there. They don't pay me to say this... They get my money. LaterZ Dash At 07:37 PM 6/1/2000 +0000, Steve Anderson wrote:

>My local Kaw dealer parts dept. wanted $12/shim. I talked with the >guy who ran service, who BTW owns a KLR, afterwards. He told me to >come to the "back" door (service dept), and swapped them even - no >charge. > > >You might try to talk with the service guys.

[libertyeagle]

Norm You are correct, but I could feel the cam chain hitting the case when I put my hand up against it. There are a lot of dealerships that really care about there customers, they are riders too and know what it is like. There are others that I wonder how they stay in Business, and why? I hope that he can get the issue resolved, and I really hope he gets back in touch with me and lets me know how it goes. The reason for the post was that I still don't think they have resolved the Doo problem, and if you buy a new bike make sure to actually inspect it to make sure it is functioning correctly PRIOR to taking it home. Michael