rear brake squeal revisited

[John Biccum]

John I have both a KLR ( OK,2 KLRs) and a Wee Strom.

 

IMHO the Wee is the bike to choose if you are in a hurry to get to Seattle and plan to run a lot of high speed highways (e.g 80 mph interstates) to get there. The KLR is the bike to take if you are not in a hurry and plan on running mostly secondary highways.

 

But both would be good for exploring on the way to Seattle and I d be happy to suggest things on the way from NC to here (I live in Seattle) that are worth seeing. How much time do you have for the trip?

 

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, July 11, 2015 09:41 [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; achesley43@...; RobertWichert [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Another KLR 650 comparison thread

 

 

Not sure if this is how to respond to this thread, but here goes.

 

I've been quietly enjoying all the KLR info/stories (could't agree more about the lousy placement of the battery) here. Have an '01 which is my main ride and also a '96 which I got to diagnose an electrical problem on the '01 (and kept).

 

I live in central NC and make it to the mountains from time to time for some dirt road riding (also rode it to Barber Museum vintage event). 

 

What I like most about the KLR is the seat to peg distance is great: I tell people it's like riding a bar stool.

 

Also have a wee-strom which is nice and an Ducati MTS 620. My legs feel cramped on the 620 after a spell but I can raise the seat on the wee to make it tolerable.

 

Tempting to ride across country to visit parents in Seattle and trying to decide which bike to take.

 

John in Pittsboro, NC

 

[b]From:[/b] "RobertWichert robert@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; achesley43@... Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:14 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Another KLR 650 comparison thread

 

 

I read lots of moto magazines, and they do lots of comparisons.  They almost never mention the KLR.  Every so often somebody will do a "KLR 650 - Been around forever" story and say how old fashioned it is and suchlike.  But they never compare it to any of the "ADV" bikes.  Huge 1100 and 1200 bikes that weigh quite a bit more with triple the power.  Some even have underslung exhausts.  That's not an off-road bike. But the KLR is still out there making miles. I am also kind of tired of hearing how the KTMs are "off-road fantastic".  Maybe the 500/550/600/650 and they have lots of power.  They beat me down the block, for sure.  But 900/1000/11000?  Gotta be a bit too heavy, really. I'll stick with the KLR. Mine is my commuter vehicle every single day it isn't raining when I leave home.  In the summer, all the other bikes come out.  Mine is there every day.  If it rains on it, oh well.  Doesn't snow hereabouts, so no excuses for ice.  I am so happy that this is the bike I have.  I still get compliments from people.  Maybe because I keep it shiny (Thank you Pledge).  And knobbies are always appreciated. So on I roll...

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&CHERS I/II CEPE CEABPI CERTIFIED SF/MF GREEN POINT RATER+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068              ===============================================  

On 7/11/2015 3:29 AM, achesley43@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:

 

I often wonder, that if I had bought a Wee Strom instead of the 1000 back in '07 , that I might still have it with near 100 k miles on it. Instead of trading the 1000 off after about 12 months and 14,000 miles cause I didn't like the way the engine worked at around 2800 to 3000 rpm and the height/weight of it. Replacing it with an '07 Suzy Bandit that I now have over 75K miles on the clock. And, actually over 80K on it due to speedohealer to get the speedo right. 

But, my 15 yr old KLR A14 ain't going anywhere. It's like a new love affair after doing some work on it this spring. And, so far , this half of 2015, it's been more miles with me than the Bandit and twice the saddle time. Still remember breaking it in in 2000 on a trip to Arkansas to do some more of the TAT. 

 

 

[Norm Keller]

#ygrps-yiv-2096656796 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-2096656796cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-2096656796 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-2096656796cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-2096656796 .ygrps-yiv-2096656796plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-2096656796 .ygrps-yiv-2096656796plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;} #ygrps-yiv-2096656796 a img {border:0px;}#ygrps-yiv-2096656796 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-2096656796 .ygrps-yiv-2096656796plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-2096656796 .ygrps-yiv-2096656796plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} The KLR will do the adventure bike role, IMO, decently but most of the adventure bikes are failures as a dual sport, IMO. Too heavy, too fragile, too pricey to risk that boulder river crossing. I really like the 650 Strom and Versys but don't see any role for the 1000 Strom at all. It has far to many disadvantages over the 650 and the added power/torque for pavement doesn't compensate for the fact that there is a circus tent full of better pavement bikes. It may be a surprise that some 1000 Strom riders haven't appreciated the observation but they did ask. I've done some long highway trips on my ST1100 in company with a 650 Strom which further increased my appreciation for the lighter and versatile Strom but it would be a stretch to convince me that it can compare with a sport tourer. Trying to keep up with the ST meant furiously rowing the shifter and throttle for legal speeds riding and as soon as the pace was notched up....gone. On the other side, the Strom is better around town, will do the highway without being painful and can do mild gravel. I'm hoping to swap bikes one day with a spoked wheel Strom which is properly guarded and give that a thrashing on bad FSR. Kinking a cast wheel is not ideal and that's what will happen if blasting through chuck holes and bad stuff.   IME, there are a number of bikes which deserve great respect for how they serve a niche and both the KLR & 650 Strom are examples, but examples for different niches. I still don't understand the Strom 1000 but very open to being educated as to where it shines above the pack. That said, I have no reason to think that someone who owns one and likes it should change, just don't ask my opinion if wishing to hear why I'd buy one. 

[libertyeagle]

Norm, I have been looking at the Vstroms, especially after Breaking the drive shaft on the BMW GSA. I love my KLR but where I am living now it is not a real good fit for most of my riding, too much high speed pavement pounding, something the KLR will do but not peacefully. The BMW is wonderful for it, but I am finding getting repaired a nightmare. And from a cost standpoint not viable long term. The Vstrom, yes I am leaning towards the 650, but considering the 1000. It is mpg, cost of repairs, and overall good balanced bike. The Vstrom, even the 1000 is a reliable, daily driver. You can take the 1000 on gravel roads, or pound 500 miles pavement, and still be able to walk after. No, it will NOT do the off road as well as KLR, nor is it as cheap to repair, but It is being able to walk after a few hours of saddle time. I really think that is the point of the Strom 1000. JMHO... Michael

[Randall Marbach]

Hi All Great discussion about the merits of the (v|wee)stroms versus the KLR.   What seems to be the differentiator is if the bike will be used for commuting or interstate work or if you are a big guy, like me...   6'7" 280 lbs..    In my case, I am retired in a small village at 6000 feet in the San Gabriel mountains. I do less than 2000 miles per year on average on all my vehicles combined, with 0 commuting miles.  The two wheelers tend to go into storage when we have Ice and snow on the ground, but I use the Urals all year round. The KLR I took on the road trip last month to Washington from SoCal was set up well for me as well as my 6'9" son..  the peg, highway peg, seat and handlebar position was perfect. The stock KLR seems more than able to hold its own on the highways and interstates around here since the max speed limit is 70 and I think a big bore kit would make it even better. In two weeks I am planning to take my '11 Ural GearUp on the same route to Washington that I took last month on the KLR. This should provide some insight as to the relative merits of touring/traveling on 40 hp machines, with one having an extra wheel, and a lot more cargo space, but twice as heavy.  Should be fun trip. When I get back from this trip, I will get both my DRZ solo and my KLR/DMC Enduro sidecar running, They have both been in storage so long the carbs are plugged. Once I get the KLR fully serviced, I am planning to do a "bake off" to see which sidecar does better off road in the SoCAL desert, the KLR/Enduro or the 2 wheel drive Ural GearUp.    The results of this bake off  should tell me what my next step should be. I think if the Ural does as well or better than the KLR, I will sell the sidecar bits and build the KLR into a nice adventure touring solo.   OTOH, If the KLR does well, I will likely keep it as a sidecar rig and then look to adding another KLR or strom to the stable. Hopefully, I will have the results to share sometime this October. Randy from Wrightwood [b]From:[/b] "libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, July 13, 2015 1:16 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Another KLR 650 comparison thread Norm, I have been looking at the Vstroms, especially after Breaking the drive shaft on the BMW GSA. I love my KLR but where I am living now it is not a real good fit for most of my riding, too much high speed pavement pounding, something the KLR will do but not peacefully. The BMW is wonderful for it, but I am finding getting repaired a nightmare. And from a cost standpoint not viable long term. The Vstrom, yes I am leaning towards the 650, but considering the 1000. It is mpg, cost of repairs, and overall good balanced bike. The Vstrom, even the 1000 is a reliable, daily driver. You can take the 1000 on gravel roads, or pound 500 miles pavement, and still be able to walk after. No, it will NOT do the off road as well as KLR, nor is it as cheap to repair, but It is being able to walk after a few hours of saddle time. I really think that is the point of the Strom 1000. JMHO... Michael

[John Theilgard]

If you go with an older wee-strom you'll need to change the stock windshield. The way it's designed the wind buff-ff-ff-feting is so bad it feels like someone is sitting behind you pounding on your helmet. I have a madstadt bracket with a taller V-Sream wind screen and it's a lot better. I also bought a seat from a 1000 which is taller. I have friends who installed hi-way pegs on their stroms and it's something I intend to put on mine. I really like both the KLR and the V-Strom and think everyone should have at least 1 of each. (little smiley face here) [b]From:[/b] "Randall Marbach remarbach@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, July 13, 2015 7:55 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Another KLR 650 comparison thread   Hi All Great discussion about the merits of the (v|wee)stroms versus the KLR.   What seems to be the differentiator is if the bike will be used for commuting or interstate work or if you are a big guy, like me...   6'7" 280 lbs..    In my case, I am retired in a small village at 6000 feet in the San Gabriel mountains. I do less than 2000 miles per year on average on all my vehicles combined, with 0 commuting miles.  The two wheelers tend to go into storage when we have Ice and snow on the ground, but I use the Urals all year round. The KLR I took on the road trip last month to Washington from SoCal was set up well for me as well as my 6'9" son..  the peg, highway peg, seat and handlebar position was perfect. The stock KLR seems more than able to hold its own on the highways and interstates around here since the max speed limit is 70 and I think a big bore kit would make it even better. In two weeks I am planning to take my '11 Ural GearUp on the same route to Washington that I took last month on the KLR. This should provide some insight as to the relative merits of touring/traveling on 40 hp machines, with one having an extra wheel, and a lot more cargo space, but twice as heavy.  Should be fun trip. When I get back from this trip, I will get both my DRZ solo and my KLR/DMC Enduro sidecar running, They have both been in storage so long the carbs are plugged. Once I get the KLR fully serviced, I am planning to do a "bake off" to see which sidecar does better off road in the SoCAL desert, the KLR/Enduro or the 2 wheel drive Ural GearUp.    The results of this bake off  should tell me what my next step should be. I think if the Ural does as well or better than the KLR, I will sell the sidecar bits and build the KLR into a nice adventure touring solo.   OTOH, If the KLR does well, I will likely keep it as a sidecar rig and then look to adding another KLR or strom to the stable. Hopefully, I will have the results to share sometime this October. Randy from Wrightwood [b]From:[/b] "libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, July 13, 2015 1:16 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Another KLR 650 comparison thread Norm, I have been looking at the Vstroms, especially after Breaking the drive shaft on the BMW GSA. I love my KLR but where I am living now it is not a real good fit for most of my riding, too much high speed pavement pounding, something the KLR will do but not peacefully. The BMW is wonderful for it, but I am finding getting repaired a nightmare. And from a cost standpoint not viable long term. The Vstrom, yes I am leaning towards the 650, but considering the 1000. It is mpg, cost of repairs, and overall good balanced bike. The Vstrom, even the 1000 is a reliable, daily driver. You can take the 1000 on gravel roads, or pound 500 miles pavement, and still be able to walk after. No, it will NOT do the off road as well as KLR, nor is it as cheap to repair, but It is being able to walk after a few hours of saddle time. I really think that is the point of the Strom 1000. JMHO... 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[Fred Hink]

Some brakepads will squeal more than others.  What brand of brakepads are you using?  Try a different brand. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com       [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, July 19, 2015 5:53 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Rear Brake Squeal Revisited     A few days ago, I posted asking for, and receiving, advice about curing a rear brake squeal on an '04. The pads don't have very much wear, they were replaced 1500 miles ago. The squeal started less than 200 miles ago. I cured the squeal by blowing out all dust, cleaning the pads and disc with brake cleaner, sanding the pads, and putting NAPA "Disc Brake Quiet" on the backs of the pads. (I considered pad shims, but the NAPA goo supposedly does the same thing). This worked really well... for about 90 miles. The squeal is back, now what? Thanks in advance, Gerry