engineers - you gotta love 'em.

[Norm Keller]

#ygrps-yiv-67569147 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-67569147cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-67569147 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-67569147cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-67569147 .ygrps-yiv-67569147plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-67569147 .ygrps-yiv-67569147plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;} #ygrps-yiv-67569147 a img {border:0px;}#ygrps-yiv-67569147 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-67569147 .ygrps-yiv-67569147plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-67569147 .ygrps-yiv-67569147plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html

[Eddie]

#ygrps-yiv-1800622372 {margin:0.7em;}#ygrps-yiv-1800622372 p {margin:0;}#ygrps-yiv-1800622372 .ygrps-yiv-1800622372OECFntDef {font-family:"Segoe UI", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;} It's odd that two brands with the most fierce loyalty (BMW & HD) have products roughly 1/2 to 1/4 as reliable as #1 Star/Yamaha. I have had recalls on my 2012 Super Tenere and 2014 FZ-09 consisting of headlight wiring issues that were easily and quickly resolved, The FZ-09 also had a faulty cam chain tensioner that affected a large # of the 1st model year bikes. Again quickly and completely satisfactorily handled by my selling dealership. Would I buy another Yamaha? Yes. The new Harley I bought 11 years ago had zero issues. But, the selling dealership could not have cared less and actually had a "seasoned" employee put me off after this encounter: I walked in during the summer with a full-faced HJC helmet on my arm and a Joe-Rocket mesh jacket slung over it. The employee came straight over to me and curtly said, "We're going to have to get you off that crotch rocket." (No humor in their voice at all.) Me, "Excuse me? They repeated themselves. I asked what they meant and they referred to my helmet and jacket, "You must be riding a crotch rocket." I said my choice of riding gear was just that - my choice. Then I walked them to the clothing area and showed them a black mesh jacket with their bar & shield logo that was a near dead ringer for my Joe Rocket. It may even have been made by the same folks, only it cost nearly twice as much. They persisted. So, I politely pointed outside to the brand new Harley XL1200R and said for them and the store owner seated nearby to hear, "That's[b] my[/b] bike. I bought it HERE. For cash. And while I may also own a "crotch rocket", alienating your customers by being confrontational with them about their riding gear isn't doing you any favors."    Not another word was said. The salesman that sold me the bike had moved to another shop about 40 miles away.  He was a likeble, stand-up guy. I went there for the remainder of my ownership. All 5 months. ... Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   --- New Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail replacement - get it here: http://www.oeclassic.com/     https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html

[Bogdan Swider]

At least BMWs are less expensive than their Japanese competition ..wait .I got that wrong .that's not the case and never has been.  FWIW in my, not so humble, opinion BMW should have followed the Harley model by focusing on improving the air-heads. Obviously, since I ride a KLR styling is not that important to me. However, I hate the way current Beemers look. The old air-heads looked like the engineers had the most influence; they had a functional appearance that grew on you. Bogdan

On Apr 9, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Ronald Criswell wrote: Why I ride Jap. Begin forwarded message: [b]Subject: [/b][b][DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle[/b] Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html

[Eddie]

#ygrps-yiv-768966981 {margin:0.7em;}#ygrps-yiv-768966981 p {margin:0;}#ygrps-yiv-768966981 .ygrps-yiv-768966981OECFntDef {font-family:"Segoe UI", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;} I was loaned an R75/5 years ago and wouldn't mind having a slightly modernized version today, if they'd just make it. Throw in Fuel Injection and tubeless tires and leave the rest alone! -eddie   Original Message:

From: Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, Bogdan Swider To: Ronald Criswell , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: 4/9/2015 12:58:13 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle    At least BMWs are less expensive than their Japanese competition ..wait .I got that wrong .that's not the case and never has been.  FWIW in my, not so humble, opinion BMW should have followed the Harley model by focusing on improving the air-heads. Obviously, since I ride a KLR styling is not that important to me. However, I hate the way current Beemers look. The old air-heads looked like the engineers had the most influence; they had a functional appearance that grew on you. Bogdan

On Apr 9, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Ronald Criswell wrote: Why I ride Jap. Begin forwarded message: [b]Subject: [/b][b][DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle[/b] Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html   --- New Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail replacement - get it here: http://www.oeclassic.com/  

[SniperOne]

I didn't find anything in the report suggesting a nexus between reliability (any brand) and appropriate maintenance, yet we all know the connection exists.  Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

[b]Subject: [/b][b][DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle[/b] Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html

[Bogdan Swider]

You could run those snowflake wheels tubeless even though BMW advised against it. Many did and I'm one example.  Bogdan

On Apr 9, 2015, at 11:00 AM, 'Eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I was loaned an R75/5 years ago and wouldn't mind having a slightly modernized version today, if they'd just make it. Throw in Fuel Injection and tubeless tires and leave the rest alone! -eddie   Original Message:

From: Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, Bogdan Swider To: Ronald Criswell , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: 4/9/2015 12:58:13 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle     At least BMWs are less expensive than their Japanese competition ..wait .I got that wrong .that's not the case and never has been.  FWIW in my, not so humble, opinion BMW should have followed the Harley model by focusing on improving the air-heads. Obviously, since I ride a KLR styling is not that important to me. However, I hate the way current Beemers look. The old air-heads looked like the engineers had the most influence; they had a functional appearance that grew on you. Bogdan On Apr 9, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Ronald Criswell wrote: Why I ride Jap. Begin forwarded message: [b]Subject: [/b][b][DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle[/b] Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html

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[E Hines]

Maybe the BMW's get such a bad rap because they actually take there bike to the dealer to be worked on.  My KLR only goes to the shop for state inspection.  I replaced my own dohickey (known problem) (I wonder if BMW would have recalled that by now).  Two very different bikes. My F800GS is a great bike, but it is not as much fun to work on as the KLR, but I have to admit, much more fun to ride on or off road.  It (the BMW) is in the shop for a recall and warranty work.  I  give up.  :) On Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:34 PM, "Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   You could run those snowflake wheels tubeless even though BMW advised against it. Many did and I'm one example.  Bogdan

On Apr 9, 2015, at 11:00 AM, 'Eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I was loaned an R75/5 years ago and wouldn't mind having a slightly modernized version today, if they'd just make it. Throw in Fuel Injection and tubeless tires and leave the rest alone! -eddie   Original Message: From: Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, Bogdan Swider To: Ronald Criswell , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: 4/9/2015 12:58:13 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle     At least BMWs are less expensive than their Japanese competition ..wait .I got that wrong .that's not the case and never has been.  FWIW in my, not so humble, opinion BMW should have followed the Harley model by focusing on improving the air-heads. Obviously, since I ride a KLR styling is not that important to me. However, I hate the way current Beemers look. The old air-heads looked like the engineers had the most influence; they had a functional appearance that grew on you. Bogdan On Apr 9, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Ronald Criswell wrote: Why I ride Jap. Begin forwarded message: [b]Subject: [/b][b][DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle[/b] Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html   --- New Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail replacement - get it here: http://www.oeclassic.com/  

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[ron criswell]

I like to old airheads too....you and I could werk on them. How ya doing Bogdan? RC Sent from my iPad

On Apr 9, 2015, at 3:34 PM, "Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650]"DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  You could run those snowflake wheels tubeless even though BMW advised against it. Many did and I'm one example.  Bogdan On Apr 9, 2015, at 11:00 AM, 'Eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I was loaned an R75/5 years ago and wouldn't mind having a slightly modernized version today, if they'd just make it. Throw in Fuel Injection and tubeless tires and leave the rest alone! -eddie   Original Message:

From: Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, Bogdan Swider To: Ronald Criswell , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: 4/9/2015 12:58:13 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle     At least BMWs are less expensive than their Japanese competition ..wait .I got that wrong .that's not the case and never has been.  FWIW in my, not so humble, opinion BMW should have followed the Harley model by focusing on improving the air-heads. Obviously, since I ride a KLR styling is not that important to me. However, I hate the way current Beemers look. The old air-heads looked like the engineers had the most influence; they had a functional appearance that grew on you. Bogdan On Apr 9, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Ronald Criswell wrote: Why I ride Jap. Begin forwarded message: [b]Subject: [/b][b][DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle[/b] Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html

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[ron criswell]

I am a Jap guy....and maybe leaning toward the Hog set. Motorcycles have gotten way too complicated and sophisticated.....European brands especially. Beemer, KTM, Ducati....and Triumph even. They want you to bring them to the dealer and charge big bucks. Harley guys paying big bucks for maintenance on fairly simple machines.....are fools. I read a test the other day on the "new"  Ducati Scrambler verses the Triumph scrambler....and realized....I already have that bike. My 09 Versys I bought out the door for $5600 in 2010. Great bike, fun....but not a dirt bike. I want an adventure tourer....that weighs 350 pounds at most....instead of 550 pounds and doesn't need a computer hook up for service. That is just me. Some guys like bells and whistles....I like simple and light. RC  Sent from my iPad

On Apr 9, 2015, at 6:08 PM, "E Hines ridingmyklr@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Maybe the BMW's get such a bad rap because they actually take there bike to the dealer to be worked on.  My KLR only goes to the shop for state inspection.  I replaced my own dohickey (known problem) (I wonder if BMW would have recalled that by now).  Two very different bikes. My F800GS is a great bike, but it is not as much fun to work on as the KLR, but I have to admit, much more fun to ride on or off road.  It (the BMW) is in the shop for a recall and warranty work.  I  give up.  :) On Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:34 PM, "Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   You could run those snowflake wheels tubeless even though BMW advised against it. Many did and I'm one example.  Bogdan On Apr 9, 2015, at 11:00 AM, 'Eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I was loaned an R75/5 years ago and wouldn't mind having a slightly modernized version today, if they'd just make it. Throw in Fuel Injection and tubeless tires and leave the rest alone! -eddie   Original Message: From: Bogdan Swider bSwider@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, Bogdan Swider To: Ronald Criswell , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: 4/9/2015 12:58:13 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle     At least BMWs are less expensive than their Japanese competition ..wait .I got that wrong .that's not the case and never has been.  FWIW in my, not so humble, opinion BMW should have followed the Harley model by focusing on improving the air-heads. Obviously, since I ride a KLR styling is not that important to me. However, I hate the way current Beemers look. The old air-heads looked like the engineers had the most influence; they had a functional appearance that grew on you. Bogdan On Apr 9, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Ronald Criswell wrote: Why I ride Jap. Begin forwarded message: [b]Subject: [/b][b][DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Most reliable motorcycle[/b] Hmm, BMW about where I thought.   https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/makes-most-reliable-motorcycle-100025261.html   --- New Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail replacement - get it here: http://www.oeclassic.com/  

[libertyeagle]

Yes, I love my BMW R1150GSA, but it it the last year I think I would buy of them 2004 as the "changed" the following year and are far more gadget oriented... I have ridden the new ones and they are incredible, but you would need a hell of a credit card to own one. A bit out of my tinkerer range. It is funny though, I have 2 BMW's in the drive including her F650 Dakar, and the KLR gets the most riding if I am not traveling long distances. Michael