nklr - wiring question

[Norm Keller]

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[daveygwhiz]

Hey all, My No-Toil foam air filter came apart at the seam when I washed it.  (Maybe I should not have used spa filter cleaner. It came out really clean though. Can I put it back together with Duco cement or plastic model glue or...? Dave

[Martin Earl]

David, Short answer; I don't think it is repairable for anything more than an EMERGENCY allowing you go get to the next bike shop.I have tried a number of things to attempt a repair; the best glue I have found is replace the filter.The only thing that was close, was hot glue; it did not last between cycles.The filter has been soaked in 'oil' and the residuals readily repels any kind of glue, IME. Your engine deserves that new filter; sadly, I have never got more than 1.5 seasons out of a No-Toil filter, especially in a dirty environment.I have never cleaned their filter with anything but NoToil's proprietary soap (some believe to be OxiClean), and have found that the NoToil filters weak point remains the glue seams. I have gone to using OEM filters, and using the NoToil treatment cleaners and oil.You will notice, the biodegradable KAWI-badged filter treatment system (see the fine print) available at the KAWI shop, is packaged by NoToil.Same is true for Honda treatment; same product with three different labels. Do more swishing in the wash basin and less squeezing on the filter.I do a final drying, by rolling the filter in a dry towel and letting it air dry in the sun or in front of a fan. m.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:55 PM, foolstools@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey all, My No-Toil foam air filter came apart at the seam when I washed it. (Maybe I should not have used spa filter cleaner. It came out really clean though. Can I put it back together with Duco cement or plastic model glue or...? Dave

[Fred Hink]

Yes, replace that filter.  The damage you can do with a hole in your filter isn t worth the $20 on a new air filter.  NoToil have always had cheap filters and that is one reason they used to give them away with their cleaning system.  There are much better filters out there on the market.  There is also better cleaners that won t hurt your filter or the adhesives in the filter.  Use a water based cleaner like the Filter Treatment system from PJ1.  I use it in the shop and have found no better cleaning system. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 12, 2015 7:25 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; foolstools@... [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] glue for foam filter?     David, Short answer; I don't think it is repairable for anything more than an EMERGENCY allowing you go get to the next bike shop. I have tried a number of things to attempt a repair; the best glue I have found is replace the filter. The only thing that was close, was hot glue; it did not last between cycles. The filter has been soaked in 'oil' and the residuals readily repels any kind of glue, IME.   Your engine deserves that new filter; sadly, I have never got more than 1.5 seasons out of a No-Toil filter, especially in a dirty environment. I have never cleaned their filter with anything but NoToil's  proprietary soap (some believe to be OxiClean), and have found that the NoToil filters weak point remains the glue seams.   I have gone to using OEM filters, and using the NoToil treatment cleaners and oil. You will notice, the biodegradable  KAWI-badged  filter treatment system (see the fine print) available at the KAWI shop, is packaged by NoToil. Same is true for Honda treatment; same product with three different labels.   Do more swishing in the wash basin and less squeezing on the filter. I do a final drying, by rolling the filter in a dry towel and letting it air dry in the sun or in front of a fan.   m.         On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:55 PM, foolstools@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hey all, My No-Toil foam air filter came apart at the seam when I washed it.  (Maybe I should not have used spa filter cleaner. It came out really clean though. Can I put it back together with Duco cement or plastic model glue or...? Dave

 

[achesley43@ymail.com]

I think a Uni air filter was the last one I ordered a few years back. Generally keep two of them about. Cleaning is with kerosene and then dawn dishwashing liquid. Only reason I use a bit of kerosene is that I grease the edged of the filter pretty good. Probably on my 4 th filter in 15 years so I'm not gonna change my habit on that maintenance program. As for the filter prep, I put motor oil on it and wring it out in an old towel then regrease the edge before installing. Pretty much a monthly affair as I do ride a lot of very dusty gravel roads down here when the weather is suitable to me. . 

[mark ward]

Plus,............ I like using Filter Skins.  On longer trips, just replace skin or if near end of trip simply remove, and do all the MESSY & Time Consuming work, (cleaning, etc) at hm. instead of on the road.  ($18.95 for 3 I Think. @ freds) Mark (West Mich.) On Monday, January 12, 2015 10:06 PM, "'Fred Hink' moabmc@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Yes, replace that filter.  The damage you can do with a hole in your filter isn t worth the $20 on a new air filter.  NoToil have always had cheap filters and that is one reason they used to give them away with their cleaning system.  There are much better filters out there on the market.  There is also better cleaners that won t hurt your filter or the adhesives in the filter.  Use a water based cleaner like the Filter Treatment system from PJ1.  I use it in the shop and have found no better cleaning system. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 12, 2015 7:25 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; foolstools@... [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] glue for foam filter?     David, Short answer; I don't think it is repairable for anything more than an EMERGENCY allowing you go get to the next bike shop. I have tried a number of things to attempt a repair; the best glue I have found is replace the filter. The only thing that was close, was hot glue; it did not last between cycles. The filter has been soaked in 'oil' and the residuals readily repels any kind of glue, IME.   Your engine deserves that new filter; sadly, I have never got more than 1.5 seasons out of a No-Toil filter, especially in a dirty environment. I have never cleaned their filter with anything but NoToil's  proprietary soap (some believe to be OxiClean), and have found that the NoToil filters weak point remains the glue seams.   I have gone to using OEM filters, and using the NoToil treatment cleaners and oil. You will notice, the biodegradable  KAWI-badged  filter treatment system (see the fine print) available at the KAWI shop, is packaged by NoToil. Same is true for Honda treatment; same product with three different labels.   Do more swishing in the wash basin and less squeezing on the filter. I do a final drying, by rolling the filter in a dry towel and letting it air dry in the sun or in front of a fan.   m.         On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:55 PM, foolstools@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey all, My No-Toil foam air filter came apart at the seam when I washed it.  (Maybe I should not have used spa filter cleaner. It came out really clean though. Can I put it back together with Duco cement or plastic model glue or...? Dave

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[Norm Keller]

It might be worth while to contact No Toil to inform them. They may offer to replace and regardless the information may be helpful to others if it encourages a change.

 

Question: Were you using the No Toil filter oil with the red label or (newer) green label? They changed formulations to reduce the effects of the oil on filters.

[skypilot110]

Dont bother with No Toil. It will cost you way more work than it is worth. The No Toil filter oil works great, captures the best probably, but doesnt evap off enough to stay on the filter. It gets into the carb and will gum it up eventually. Buy a few UNI filters, either UNI or Belray filter oil and either brand of filter cleaner although Kerosene sounds good too. If you are crying about the cost of the filters at tis point then why are you talking about spending on No Toil to save effort?? If you are questioning the cost of filter cleaner read on to see if I have completely lost my marbles or am justified in saying just buy it! Find a big office where the employees use a coffee maker still. Everybody uses the Kurig things now because they cant do the math to figure out how much they cost over a year vs a can of coffee. Get a few BIG coffee cans from them. Get all the coffee cans from them if you have room because they are a good way to store things but two will do nicely. The plastic ones are cool but wont hold two filters and are not in keeping with the old farm tractor KLR way of doign things   Put a piece of screen, like chicken wire or 1/4 mesh, in the bottom of one can. Dirty filters go in the other one. When you have two or three dirty filters use the filter cleaner, or Kero, in the dirty filter can and clean them. Dry properly and treat with filter oil, I think UNI works better but Belray cleans up easier, then place in the can with the screen. anything that will drip makes its way down past the screen to stay off the filter. With one filter to put in and two in the can ready to go it will be a while before you have to get your hands all mucky again. Doing three at a time makes the air filter cleaner much more financially reasonable too, plus it works well, see, some marbles are evidently intact still. The one bothersome point is that I have to pull the side panel to get to the filter and seat bolts. I struggle with the idea of just leaving them off but they do keep mud and rain out of the battery area wich is important ---In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote : #ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 .ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 .ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;} #ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 a img {border:0px;}#ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 .ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-643425958 #ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798 .ygrps-yiv-643425958ygrps-yiv-1272323798plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;}It might be worth while to contact No Toil to inform them. They may offer to replace and regardless the information may be helpful to others if it encourages a change. Question: Were you using the No Toil filter oil with the red label or (newer) green label? They changed formulations to reduce the effects of the oil on filters.

[Ateam]

Paint cans at the hardware store cost about a dollar and have a nice sealing lid.  Drill a few holes inside the gutter of the top of the can, then any excess inside the paint can gutter will drain back into the can.  I made my wire filter with small bends at the bottom to keep the wire off the bottom and prevent you from stirring the solids on the bottom from mixing in with your filter.  I bought a 1 gallon can of Twin Air solvent which should last me for life or a long time.   Ateam   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:11 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: glue for foam filter?    

Dont bother with No Toil. It will cost you way more work than it is worth. The No Toil filter oil works great, captures the best probably, but doesnt evap off enough to stay on the filter. It gets into the carb and will gum it up eventually.   Buy a few UNI filters, either UNI or Belray filter oil and either brand of filter cleaner although Kerosene sounds good too. If you are crying about the cost of the filters at tis point then why are you talking about spending on No Toil to save effort?? If you are questioning the cost of filter cleaner read on to see if I have completely lost my marbles or am justified in saying just buy it!   Find a big office where the employees use a coffee maker still. Everybody uses the Kurig things now because they cant do the math to figure out how much they cost over a year vs a can of coffee. Get a few BIG coffee cans from them. Get all the coffee cans from them if you have room because they are a good way to store things but two will do nicely. The plastic ones are cool but wont hold two filters and are not in keeping with the old farm tractor KLR way of doign things     Put a piece of screen, like chicken wire or 1/4 mesh, in the bottom of one can. Dirty filters go in the other one.   When you have two or three dirty filters use the filter cleaner, or Kero, in the dirty filter can and clean them. Dry properly and treat with filter oil, I think UNI works better but Belray cleans up easier, then place in the can with the screen. anything that will drip makes its way down past the screen to stay off the filter. With one filter to put in and two in the can ready to go it will be a while before you have to get your hands all mucky again. Doing three at a time makes the air filter cleaner much more financially reasonable too, plus it works well, see, some marbles are evidently intact still.   The one bothersome point is that I have to pull the side panel to ! get to the filter and seat bolts. I struggle with the idea of just leaving them off but they do keep mud and rain out of the battery area wich is important ---In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It might be worth while to contact No Toil to inform them. They may offer to replace and regardless the information may be helpful to others if it encourages a change.   Question: Were you using the No Toil filter oil with the red label or (newer) green label? They changed formulations to reduce the effects of the oil on filters.

[Martin Earl]

SNIPDont bother with No Toil. It will cost you way more work than it is worth. The No Toil filter oil works great, captures the best probably, but doesnt evap off enough to stay on the filter. It gets into the carb and will gum it up eventually.unSNIP Just for the sake of discussion-I have been using NoToil for over 10 years; used NoToil products on as many as 10 dirt bikes at the same time. during several of those years.These '10' included, Honda, Kawi, Yamaha bikes, all at the same time.My experience with the filter-oil side of this product was never as Chris has described. shrug. As previously described, I thought the NoToil filter should have been more robust.Additionally, I was equally unimpressed with the longevity of the UniFilter as well.I still contend the OEM KLR650 filter is the best, as least for my applications for filtering and longevity.m.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:11 AM, christopher.eckert@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Dont bother with No Toil. It will cost you way more work than it is worth. The No Toil filter oil works great, captures the best probably, but doesnt evap off enough to stay on the filter. It gets into the carb and will gum it up eventually. Buy a few UNI filters, either UNI or Belray filter oil and either brand of filter cleaner although Kerosene sounds good too. If you are crying about the cost of the filters at tis point then why are you talking about spending on No Toil to save effort?? If you are questioning the cost of filter cleaner read on to see if I have completely lost my marbles or am justified in saying just buy it! Find a big office where the employees use a coffee maker still. Everybody uses the Kurig things now because they cant do the math to figure out how much they cost over a year vs a can of coffee. Get a few BIG coffee cans from them. Get all the coffee cans from them if you have room because they are a good way to store things but two will do nicely. The plastic ones are cool but wont hold two filters and are not in keeping with the old farm tractor KLR way of doign things Put a piece of screen, like chicken wire or 1/4 mesh, in the bottom of one can. Dirty filters go in the other one. When you have two or three dirty filters use the filter cleaner, or Kero, in the dirty filter can and clean them. Dry properly and treat with filter oil, I think UNI works better but Belray cleans up easier, then place in the can with the screen. anything that will drip makes its way down past the screen to stay off the filter. With one filter to put in and two in the can ready to go it will be a while before you have to get your hands all mucky again. Doing three at a time makes the air filter cleaner much more financially reasonable too, plus it works well, see, some marbles are evidently intact still. The one bothersome point is that I have to pull the side panel to get to the filter and seat bolts. I struggle with the idea of just leaving them off but they do keep mud and rain out of the battery area wich is important ---In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It might be worth while to contact No Toil to inform them. They may offer to replace and regardless the information may be helpful to others if it encourages a change. Question: Were you using the No Toil filter oil with the red label or (newer) green label? They changed formulations to reduce the effects of the oil on filters.