klr 650 brake and clutch lever

[Thomas Komjathy]

Merry Christmas to the best and most dedicated motorcycle forum there is, Katherine, Tiernan and I wish you all a very Merry Christmas. TK

[David Critchley]

To all the members of this group and your families, regardless of religious differences, We wish all a very Merry Christmas and good wishes for the New Year from the frozen North. DC

-- D Critchley

[barracuda650@aol.com]

Ditto this...and all the Very Best to you all, for the New Year!   The KLR's doing fine, but notably jealous of the seat time that the wr250r's getting in tha rough.   -Scott - aka-thunderdog...grom so baka...and the wandering green whale.   (Santa got me some gerbing g3's as I'm actually getting old now)   You guys take care out there.

[mark ward]

What an OLD wimp, Electric gloves. to stay warm? (and ride longer.)   After years I broke down this fall and Got Both, The coat liner and G3 gloves,.....And the dual controler....I'm a senitive oldguy and want ballance warmth. LOL   They were GREAT at 37dig and 75mph. (400 mile trip) YE-HA Hands work quicker (PROPER) also when NOT FROZEN, and focused on the road Not my COLD ........EVERYTHING.   ENJOY!   

--- On [b]Tue, 12/28/10, barracuda650@... [i][/i][/b] wrote:

From: barracuda650@... Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Merry Christmas To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:28 AM   Ditto this...and all the Very Best to you all, for the New Year!   The KLR's doing fine, but notably jealous of the seat time that the wr250r's getting in tha rough.   -Scott - aka-thunderdog...grom so baka...and the wandering green whale.   (Santa got me some gerbing g3's as I'm actually getting old now)   You guys take care out there.

[Norm Keller]

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>Norm, I very much appreciate your postings of your work. Excellent information on the mechanical advantage we all seek, and the status of investigation to date.

The only challenge I find of concern for the Ninja 250 system, is the exposed plastic master cylinder. Seems exposed to the branches or the lay down rock, and so my question: Is there a smaller piston diameter, bolt on master cylinder, that works in length of lever for pull within existing Moose brush guards, and has a similar master cylinder container as the original? I've seen comments on the X to X year CBR600, and 600rr, 1000rr. Concours, etc, but the conversations seemed to be delineating toward an upgraded dual piston caliper, or a general conversational sense of modification without math, which leaves me to wonder about the piston diameter in these offerings. I've tried the 320mm wave rotor, and while feeling modulation did improve, I was disappointed with how quickly it warped, and with the fit of the adaptor (EBC) when initially installed. I also recall a long period of adaptation to the sense of a larger mass effecting centrifugal inertia of the front wheel. Adapted, got used to it, but for this new Gen I, I'll improve the brakes any way I can, but will prefer to do it around the existing rotor, the existing caliper, with minimal modification to the forks. My new ride is a stock farkled 2007, still on initial engine break in, awaiting Galfer greens but otherwise prepped. S/S brake lines. The search now, is for a better lever for the front end. Thanks, Todd

[achesley43@ymail.com]

It's always been great to share info and greetings with this group for the many years I've been here off and on. As my KLR comes on it's 15th birthday with me, I've never been any more happy with it. Except many the 2nd day I had it and took off with limiting it to 4000 rpm for break in,  on a trip to Arkansa to do some more ot the TAT.  Merry Christmas to all.  And to All, A Happy New Year.  [IMG]http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/achesley1943/MerryChristmas.jpg[/IMG]