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mark ward
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Post by mark ward » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:02 am

Losing patients, less kind?
Is it old age or wisdom?
I was out on a test run loaded to the gills with Camping, fishing, TOOOOOLS etc.
Came up on a group of 4 guys (about mid 30's) that were on the side of the road, (30++ miles from no-where) started taking a FLAT tire off the rim.
I asked if they were all set or did they think they may need anything? 
(Including a G-2 gatorade aid I had in a soft cooler pack.)
They responded kind of SNOTTY with, LAUGHING & Eye rolling,  No, between us, we have everything we need, but a fire extinguisher, but from the looks it, you pack that also. (1 guy quietly said, "the less you know, the more you need. they all started laughing.)
I sat there a bit longer as one guy was digging alot in his bags, and LOUDLY said, OH SHIT! I forgot to replace the CO'2 canisters from the last time.
That was my Que, I started the KLR and said "Have a great day", and road off.
 Last spring a upgraded to a better, FASTER, 12V. ATV air pump, plus in my tire tool (pvc) tube mounted on the "highway bars, is a compact hand pump.
Ya, I noticed in the mirrors they were looking my way, talking as I road off.

ron criswell
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Post by ron criswell » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:06 am

Hah! Criswell Sent from my iPad
On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:02 AM, "mark ward nomad59@... [DSN_KLR650]"DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Losing patients, less kind?Is it old age or wisdom? I was out on a test run loaded to the gills with Camping, fishing, TOOOOOLS etc. Came up on a group of 4 guys (about mid 30's) that were on the side of the road, (30++ miles from no-where) started taking a FLAT tire off the rim. I asked if they were all set or did they think they may need anything? (Including a G-2 gatorade aid I had in a soft cooler pack.) They responded kind of SNOTTY with, LAUGHING & Eye rolling,  No, between us, we have everything we need, but a fire extinguisher, but from the looks it, you pack that also. (1 guy quietly said, "the less you know, the more you need. they all started laughing.) I sat there a bit longer as one guy was digging alot in his bags, and LOUDLY said, OH SHIT! I forgot to replace the CO'2 canisters from the last time. That was my Que, I started the KLR and said "Have a great day", and road off.  Last spring a upgraded to a better, FASTER, 12V. ATV air pump, plus in my tire tool (pvc) tube mounted on the "highway bars, is a compact hand pump. Ya, I noticed in the mirrors they were looking my way, talking as I road off.

RobertWichert
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Post by RobertWichert » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:00 am

I'm sure the irony was lost on them. Idiots and fools tend to ride together. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C HERS I/II CEPE CEA BPI CERTIFIED SF/MF GREEN POINT RATER +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 8/20/2014 8:05 AM, Ron Criswell roncriswell2@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:
Hah! Criswell Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:02 AM, "mark ward nomad59@... [DSN_KLR650]"DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Losing patients, less kind? Is it old age or wisdom? I was out on a test run loaded to the gills with Camping, fishing, TOOOOOLS etc. Came up on a group of 4 guys (about mid 30's) that were on the side of the road, (30++ miles from no-where) started taking a FLAT tire off the rim. I asked if they were all set or did they think they may need anything? (Including a G-2 gatorade aid I had in a soft cooler pack.) They responded kind of SNOTTY with, LAUGHING & Eye rolling, No, between us, we have everything we need, but a fire extinguisher, but from the looks it, you pack that also. (1 guy quietly said, "the less you know, the more you need. they all started laughing.) I sat there a bit longer as one guy was digging alot in his bags, and LOUDLY said, OH SHIT! I forgot to replace the CO'2 canisters from the last time. That was my Que, I started the KLR and said "Have a great day", and road off. Last spring a upgraded to a better, FASTER, 12V. ATV air pump, plus in my tire tool (pvc) tube mounted on the "highway bars, is a compact hand pump. Ya, I noticed in the mirrors they were looking my way, talking as I road off.

Norm Keller
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Post by Norm Keller » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:41 am

#ygrps-yiv-1912512427 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-1912512427cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-1912512427 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-1912512427cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-1912512427 .ygrps-yiv-1912512427plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-1912512427 .ygrps-yiv-1912512427plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;} #ygrps-yiv-1912512427 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-1912512427 .ygrps-yiv-1912512427plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-1912512427 .ygrps-yiv-1912512427plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} Our reactions differ but I find that I'm less likely to care from an ego stand point whether someone believes that they are superior to me, so I react to a lesser degree also. Not certain that this is maturity because it might be apathy. ;-)   I do wonder about the head space of guys like the ones you met, though. Let's set aside the polite social conventions and simply assume that I was one of those guys on the road side and I didn't care a bit about you or whether you were offended. So, what I'm saying is if I were completely self absorbed and didn't care all all excepting for myself, how should I proceed?   It would seem that I would be better off to pretend that I did care about you so as to be more likely to get you to help me if I needed it. I would be better off in waiting for you to leave before making fun of you to try to enhance my status in the eyes of my buddies.   From my perspective, people like that are simply too stupid for words. When I encounter them, I refuse to do anything to help them, saving not allowing them to die. I just leave because helping them after a reaction like that seems likely to reward that sort of behavior, IMO.   My favorites are the friend of a friend on a ride who makes fun of me for carrying extra stuff, then later asks to borrow the same items which they ridiculed me for carrying. My response is always, "No, you can't borrow it. You were right in saying that only a stupid person would carry all that crap but I'm learning. I'm not going to throw it away so let's just pretend it doesn't exist." I stick to that and will not bend.   Here's a straw poll for all of you who are over 50: "Are you becoming more patient or less patient as you get older?"   For me it is less patient.  ;-)  

Ateam
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Post by Ateam » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:01 pm

More patient with others, less patient with myself. Ateam   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:40 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: OLD AGE?? (NKLR)    

Our reactions differ but I find that I'm less likely to care from an ego stand point whether someone believes that they are superior to me, so I react to a lesser degree also. Not certain that this is maturity because it might be apathy. ;-)   I do wonder about the head space of guys like the ones you met, though. Let's set aside the polite social conventions and simply assume that I was one of those guys on the road side and I didn't care a bit about you or whether you were offended. So, what I'm saying is if I were completely self absorbed and didn't care all all excepting for myself, how should I proceed?   It would seem that I would be better off to pretend that I did care about you so as to be more likely to get you to help me if I needed it. I would be better off in waiting for you to leave before making fun of you to try to enhance my status in the eyes of my buddies.   From my perspective, people like that are simply too stupid for words. When I encounter them, I refuse to do anything to help them, saving not allowing them to die. I just leave because helping them after a reaction like that seems likely to reward that sort of behavior, IMO.   My favorites are the friend of a friend on a ride who makes fun of me for carrying extra stuff, then later asks to borrow the same items which they ridiculed me for carrying. My response is always, "No, you can't borrow it. You were right in saying that only a stupid person would carry all that crap but I'm learning. I'm not going to throw it away so let's just pretend it doesn't exist." I stick to that and will not bend.   Here's a straw poll for all of you who are over 50: "Are you becoming more patient or less patient as you get older?"   For me it is less patient.  ;-)  


GMac
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Post by GMac » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:03 pm

Less patient with idiots and Aholes.

 

GregM

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:40 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: OLD AGE?? (NKLR)

 

Our reactions differ but I find that I'm less likely to care from an ego stand point whether someone believes that they are superior to me, so I react to a lesser degree also. Not certain that this is maturity because it might be apathy. ;-)

 

I do wonder about the head space of guys like the ones you met, though. Let's set aside the polite social conventions and simply assume that I was one of those guys on the road side and I didn't care a bit about you or whether you were offended. So, what I'm saying is if I were completely self absorbed and didn't care all all excepting for myself, how should I proceed?

 

It would seem that I would be better off to pretend that I did care about you so as to be more likely to get you to help me if I needed it. I would be better off in waiting for you to leave before making fun of you to try to enhance my status in the eyes of my buddies.

 

From my perspective, people like that are simply too stupid for words. When I encounter them, I refuse to do anything to help them, saving not allowing them to die. I just leave because helping them after a reaction like that seems likely to reward that sort of behavior, IMO.

 

My favorites are the friend of a friend on a ride who makes fun of me for carrying extra stuff, then later asks to borrow the same items which they ridiculed me for carrying. My response is always, "No, you can't borrow it. You were right in saying that only a stupid person would carry all that crap but I'm learning. I'm not going to throw it away so let's just pretend it doesn't exist." I stick to that and will not bend.

 

Here's a straw poll for all of you who are over 50: "Are you becoming more patient or less patient as you get older?"

 

For me it is less patient.  ;-)

 


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Post by m_oldar@hotmail.com » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:05 pm

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------ Original message------

[b]From: [/b]' Norm Keller' normkel32@... [D...

[b]Date: [/b]Thu, Aug 21, 2014 9:41 AM

[b]To: [/b]DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com;

[b]Subject:[/b][DSN_KLR650] Re: OLD AGE?? (NKLR)

 

 

Our reactions differ but I find that I'm less likely to care from an ego stand point whether someone believes that they are superior to me, so I react to a lesser degree also. Not certain that this is maturity because it might be apathy. ;-)   I do wonder about the head space of guys like the ones you met, though. Let's set aside the polite social conventions and simply assume that I was one of those guys on the road side and I didn't care a bit about you or whether you were offended. So, what I'm saying is if I were completely self absorbed and didn't care all all excepting for myself, how should I proceed?   It would seem that I would be better off to pretend that I did care about you so as to be more likely to get you to help me if I needed it. I would be better off in waiting for you to leave before making fun of you to try to enhance my status in the eyes of my buddies.   From my perspective, people like that are simply too stupid for words. When I encounter them, I refuse to do anything to help them, saving not allowing them to die. I just leave because helping them after a reaction like that seems likely to reward that sort of behavior, IMO.   My favorites are the friend of a friend on a ride who makes fun of me for carrying extra stuff, then later asks to borrow the same items which they ridiculed me for carrying. My response is always, "No, you can't borrow it. You were right in saying that only a stupid person would carry all that crap but I'm learning. I'm not going to throw it away so let's just pretend it doesn't exist." I stick to that and will not bend.   Here's a straw poll for all of you who are over 50: "Are you becoming more patient or less patient as you get older?"   For me it is less patient.  ;-)  


Stu
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Post by Stu » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:33 pm

Just my opinion... Three levels of learning - 1) "You don't know and you know you don't know" - .... you're a sponge - an internet troll, buying magazines, books, videos, youtubes, Yahoo Groups, finding mentors to learn.... 2) "You Think you know, but you still don't know" - everyone goes through this - some stay - some go back to repeat step one... but you're dangerous here- Some take corners a little too fast sometimes, etc... Some say I don't need to wear/carry all that gear. Some even mock others while standing in their own pile of s#!t. When you are lucky enough to graduate from Level 2 little grasshopper - you are at Level 3 - 3) "You know what you know, but you know you don't know it all..." You can say grace over many things, but you know the universe is a big place and no one knows everything.. As to the poll - "Ignorance is teachable, stupid is permanent" - too old to waste time with stupid - can't fix it... So, depending on circumstances, I can run out of patience real quick. I have been accused of having the people skills of Attila the Hun before, but I think they exaggerated, running over that guy really was an accident. For me and riding - I'm sometimes in the dangerous zone of "I used to ride years ago..." So I have to remind myself that whatever I did as a kid on dirt bikes or 25 years ago on my old Bonneville, when the shifter was on the other side, doesn't count for anything... Just makes me a bigger liability to myself and others around me, if I get cocky. So, for multisurface, dualsport, adventure touring, whatever you call it - riding, I am working between 1 & 2, although I have some things on 3. But I always want to have the humility to recognize that I can always learn. I don't ever want to be that arrogant cur broken down on the side of the road mocking the guy who isn't broken down. Life has simple rules such as common courtesy, especially when meeting with a kindred spirit on trail/road, journey, adventure, whatever... and I'll do everything I can to help, but if the folks are jerks, I'm on my way to the next trailhead. -Stu 2002 KLR650 Old and still Learning
----- Original Message ----- From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:40:15 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: OLD AGE?? (NKLR) Our reactions differ but I find that I'm less likely to care from an ego stand point whether someone believes that they are superior to me, so I react to a lesser degree also. Not certain that this is maturity because it might be apathy. ;-) I do wonder about the head space of guys like the ones you met, though. Let's set aside the polite social conventions and simply assume that I was one of those guys on the road side and I didn't care a bit about you or whether you were offended. So, what I'm saying is if I were completely self absorbed and didn't care all all excepting for myself, how should I proceed? It would seem that I would be better off to pretend that I did care about you so as to be more likely to get you to help me if I needed it. I would be better off in waiting for you to leave before making fun of you to try to enhance my status in the eyes of my buddies. From my perspective, people like that are simply too stupid for words. When I encounter them, I refuse to do anything to help them, saving not allowing them to die. I just leave because helping them after a reaction like that seems likely to reward that sort of behavior, IMO. My favorites are the friend of a friend on a ride who makes fun of me for carrying extra stuff, then later asks to borrow the same items which they ridiculed me for carrying. My response is always, "No, you can't borrow it. You were right in saying that only a stupid person would carry all that crap but I'm learning. I'm not going to throw it away so let's just pretend it doesn't exist." I stick to that and will not bend. Here's a straw poll for all of you who are over 50: "Are you becoming more patient or less patient as you get older?" For me it is less patient. ;-)

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Post by ALFRED ELFMAN » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:28 pm

Less patient for the overwhelming amount of dummies out there! Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:40 PM, "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Our reactions differ but I find that I'm less likely to care from an ego stand point whether someone believes that they are superior to me, so I react to a lesser degree also. Not certain that this is maturity because it might be apathy. ;-)   I do wonder about the head space of guys like the ones you met, though. Let's set aside the polite social conventions and simply assume that I was one of those guys on the road side and I didn't care a bit about you or whether you were offended. So, what I'm saying is if I were completely self absorbed and didn't care all all excepting for myself, how should I proceed?   It would seem that I would be better off to pretend that I did care about you so as to be more likely to get you to help me if I needed it. I would be better off in waiting for you to leave before making fun of you to try to enhance my status in the eyes of my buddies.   From my perspective, people like that are simply too stupid for words. When I encounter them, I refuse to do anything to help them, saving not allowing them to die. I just leave because helping them after a reaction like that seems likely to reward that sort of behavior, IMO.   My favorites are the friend of a friend on a ride who makes fun of me for carrying extra stuff, then later asks to borrow the same items which they ridiculed me for carrying. My response is always, "No, you can't borrow it. You were right in saying that only a stupid person would carry all that crap but I'm learning. I'm not going to throw it away so let's just pretend it doesn't exist." I stick to that and will not bend.   Here's a straw poll for all of you who are over 50: "Are you becoming more patient or less patient as you get older?"   For me it is less patient.  ;-)  

Bubba Gee
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Post by Bubba Gee » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:45 pm

I used to be very impatient way back when I knew everything.but now i find that I have much lower expectations of the public in general, so I am more patient.or maybe just more tolerant? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:12 PM, "Alfred Elfman maxtork1957@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Less patient for the overwhelming amount of dummies out there! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:40 PM, "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Our reactions differ but I find that I'm less likely to care from an ego stand point whether someone believes that they are superior to me, so I react to a lesser degree also. Not certain that this is maturity because it might be apathy. ;-)   I do wonder about the head space of guys like the ones you met, though. Let's set aside the polite social conventions and simply assume that I was one of those guys on the road side and I didn't care a bit about you or whether you were offended. So, what I'm saying is if I were completely self absorbed and didn't care all all excepting for myself, how should I proceed?   It would seem that I would be better off to pretend that I did care about you so as to be more likely to get you to help me if I needed it. I would be better off in waiting for you to leave before making fun of you to try to enhance my status in the eyes of my buddies.   From my perspective, people like that are simply too stupid for words. When I encounter them, I refuse to do anything to help them, saving not allowing them to die. I just leave because helping them after a reaction like that seems likely to reward that sort of behavior, IMO.   My favorites are the friend of a friend on a ride who makes fun of me for carrying extra stuff, then later asks to borrow the same items which they ridiculed me for carrying. My response is always, "No, you can't borrow it. You were right in saying that only a stupid person would carry all that crap but I'm learning. I'm not going to throw it away so let's just pretend it doesn't exist." I stick to that and will not bend.   Here's a straw poll for all of you who are over 50: "Are you becoming more patient or less patient as you get older?"   For me it is less patient.  ;-)  
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