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[Stephen Watson]

Hey Jeff- If you don't install that kicker and ever decide to sell it; keep me in mind. My other dirt bike has both and I would love to have a kicker on my KLR. Just added comfort I guess from getting stranded and not being able to bump it. Been there on the KTM and the kick start saved the day.    Thanks Stephen Watson [b]From:[/b] "Jeff Saline salinej1@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:27 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant   Someone posted...   "EFI systems just consist of the pump, injector and electronic module. All fairly sturdy stuff. If you're that worried about electronics, why doesn't the KLR still have a kickstart? "   <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><>   Earlier this year I just happened to get a pretty fair deal on a complete kickstart setup from a KLR600 with only 900 miles.  The parts look like new out of the box.  Whether I install it or not is another story.  I have a Gen I KLR650 (2003) and it doesn't need a battery to start/run.  My understanding is the Gen II KLR650s have a different ignition system and require a battery to operate.  I also understand the engine must be turning 300 rpm or more to initiate ignition.  So no kickstart on a Gen II in most cases unless someone wants the "bling".  I have not verified the required rpm information but believe it to be correct.   When I bought my first BMW while in Germany in the early 80s I wanted a kickstart option.  The salesman looked me up and down and then said I was too small to kickstart a 1000cc BMW.  He said the only use of the kickstarter was to turn the engine over after storage to circulate engine oil.  I never have had the opportunity to kickstart a 1000cc BMW but I've kickstarted my 900cc BMW quite a few times.  I think the salesman was wrong about me being to small to kick one over.  In the early 80s BMW changed from points to an electronic ignition system trigger.  Turns out they had to come up with two modules, one for electric start and one for kick start.  It had something to do with the length of time required to trigger the system as kick starting tends to take longer than 2 seconds between kicks.  I guess it needed a pulse to initiate and then again a certain rpm to trigger.  The electric starter could easily provide the pulse and rpms in a short push of the button but with kickstart it would shut down between kicks and never get ignition.   Since I've allowed myself to get sucked into this "rant" thread...  I think if the KLR is changed in ways like different tranie, EFI, ABS, suspension, price, etc. it will no longer be a KLR as many people know the KLR today.  For me simple is better than complicated in most situations.  I'm usually a function over form type of guy.  Change the bike and hopefully change the designation too.  Just going between Gen I and Gen II is complicated enough, adding a Gen III will be confusing.   Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . . .     ____________________________________________________________ [b]The #1 Worst Carb Ever?[/b] Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) 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[rrttbbnn]

I really liked the kick starter on my 1974 Honda CB750.  I could definately see it as a benefit for a KLR.   Jeff     -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Watson watsonsb@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> To: DSN_KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; Jeff Saline Sent: Tue, Jul 8, 2014 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant   Hey Jeff- If you don't install that kicker and ever decide to sell it; keep me in mind. My other dirt bike has both and I would love to have a kicker on my KLR. Just added comfort I guess from getting stranded and not being able to bump it. Been there on the KTM and the kick start saved the day.    Thanks Stephen Watson [b]From:[/b] "Jeff Saline salinej1@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:27 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant   Someone posted...   "EFI systems just consist of the pump, injector and electronic module. All fairly sturdy stuff. If you're that worried about electronics, why doesn't the KLR still have a kickstart? "   <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><>   Earlier this year I just happened to get a pretty fair deal on a complete kickstart setup from a KLR600 with only 900 miles.  The parts look like new out of the box.  Whether I install it or not is another story.  I have a Gen I KLR650 (2003) and it doesn't need a battery to start/run.  My understanding is the Gen II KLR650s have a different ignition system and require a battery to operate.  I also understand the engine must be turning 300 rpm or more to initiate ignition.  So no kickstart on a Gen II in most cases unless someone wants the "bling".  I have not verified the required rpm information but believe it to be correct.   When I bought my first BMW while in Germany in the early 80s I wanted a kickstart option.  The salesman looked me up and down and then said I was too small to kickstart a 1000cc BMW.  He said the only use of the kickstarter was to turn the engine over after storage to circulate engine oil.  I never have had the opportunity to kickstart a 1000cc BMW but I've kickstarted my 900cc BMW quite a few times.  I think the salesman was wrong about me being to small to kick one over.  In the early 80s BMW changed from points to an electronic ignition system trigger.  Turns out they had to come up with two modules, one for electric start and one for kick start.  It had something to do with the length of time required to trigger the system as kick starting tends to take longer than 2 seconds between kicks.  I guess it needed a pulse to initiate and then again a certain rpm to trigger.  The electric starter could easily provide the pulse and rpms in a short push of the button but with kickstart it would shut down between kicks and never get ignition.   Since I've allowed myself to get sucked into this "rant" thread...  I think if the KLR is changed in ways like different tranie, EFI, ABS, suspension, price, etc. it will no longer be a KLR as many people know the KLR today.  For me simple is better than complicated in most situations.  I'm usually a function over form type of guy.  Change the bike and hopefully change the designation too.  Just going between Gen I and Gen II is complicated enough, adding a Gen III will be confusing.   Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . . .     ____________________________________________________________ [b]The #1 Worst Carb Ever?[/b] Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) FixYourBloodSugar.com

[Ron Haraseth]

As long as there is still a good supply of lightly used 1st Gen KLRs out there at very reasonable prices, I could care less if Mother Kaw updates to EFI/ABS 4 or even 10 extra HP.  I won t ask for 100 less pounds, cause I know that won t happen. 

As far as the complexity of the CVK carb vs EFI, I see it as a wash, but then I over simplified with the Mikuni VM.  2 minutes and it is sitting in your hands, but then, that is never needed in real life.

I ve also stripped the side panels and swapped to an IMS 6.6 tank and screwed the license plate to the rear fender. (Bad reminiscences of the plate/holder assembly displacing and locking my rear wheel doing 40 down a dirt road.) 

Very few competitors for the level of reliability/longevity regardless of the cost factor.  Any newer, better bike will still be a target for upgrades in somebodies eyes. At least the current KLRs have that down to a smooth science.

 

[Ian Francisco]

Someone said: Sorry, the arguments for carburation just fall away compared to current EFI systems. As one respondent pointed out, Kaw doesn't add EFI because people still buy the bike as it is. The main reason is it has virtually no competition as a watercooled single within it's displacement class - except for Euro models at twice the price. If that ever changes, I beleive Kaw will as well. It just may be too late for me. Beside I don't want to ride a lawnmower. I want to ride a motorcycle. In reply I say: Sorry, a little late to the party here. Virtually no competition? Cycle World recently ran a comparo with the 2nd gen KLR vs. some of the wazoo bikes, BMWF650, Husqvarna 650, Tiger 800XC et al. Great read, for free: http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/03/29/2013-adventure-bike-comparison-test-review-stats-photos/ Of course the bikes with the modern technology spank the KLR in terms of power. The Husky in particular is interesting, not too much more expensive, and sports about 50bhp at the rear wheel compared to the KLR's 36. I wouldn't mind owning any of those bikes! But, the journalists riding them picked the KLR as the bike to have when doing what this genre of bike is designed for, getting miles from nowhere and back again. There's something to be said for "anvil-like" simplicity. EFI would be nice, nearly zero maintenance but the KLR carb is dead simple to maintain. Upgrading the KLR would raise its price point resulting in a less favorable comparison to the modern bikes. The KLR is hard to beat in terms of bang-for-the-buck. The older I get the less power I need. My aging KLR (A14-year 2000) still pulls me and my 30-50 lbs. of gear down the road at 80-85mph with 53k miles showing . If you want more power than that you probably want a different bike, and the choices are abundant. Even my aging suspension still works well enough for those lighter loads and is easily and inexpensively remedied with fork springs and raising links if your inseam can accommodate the extra seat height. If you want to haul your wife and/or 100lbs of gear around, you might want a different bike. I have five, ranging from a Puch/Kromag moped to a Guzzi Ambassador 750. One bike is never enough. The 1st gen KLR is a more capable motorcycle than many of the riders who ride it, myself included. There are youtubes of it being jumped 30ft or more repeatedly. It does sound like an overgrown lawmower, however. -- [b]Ian Francisco http://www.scarletfuries.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931[/b]

[Norm Keller]

Ron, any chance you might email a photo of your VM2 installation?

 

I've not seen on on a KLR but keep hearing good things.

 

Norm

[Ron Haraseth]

Norm, Here is a link to the blog on which I did a project report. Has some pictures. http://rbemr.blogspot.com/2013/03/to-carb-or-not-to-carb-no-not-beemer-klr.html I collaborated some with Fred just before he offered his kits so it is essentially the same as his kits. Probably have 6,000-7,000 miles and going on a 1 1/2 years now and I m happy with the change. Other than the original jet tweaking, I haven t had to mess with it once. I have a second Mikuni I picked up last winter ready to reassemble and install on my #2 KLR.   Ron     [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 09, 2014 10:48 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant    

Ron, any chance you might email a photo of your VM2 installation?   I've not seen on on a KLR but keep hearing good things.   Norm

[Norm Keller]

I noticed, from the CW test, that the Husky with 12.3:1 versus 9.8:1 compression ratio plus EFI versus carb. only made 45 mpg average versus the KLR's 41. Not a big advantage.....

 

It would be interesting to compare a higher compression ratio KLR as I'd guess that a KLR with higher CR might close the gap.....  of course the ability to lug and otherwise abuse the KLR would not be as good.

 

Interesting test.   Thanks!

[Fred Hink]

While the original Mikuni carb kits I sold were put together by White Bros (no longer in business) and were first used on the Harley Sportsters, this kit was eventually listed to fit the KLR.  There are some differences between the CVK that Harley used and the ones on the KLR.  The White Bros. kit didn t address these differences but the kits that I have put together does.  I have had nothing but positive feedback with the Mikuni kit that I sell.  It s an easy modification that makes a big difference in performance, especially in low speed and throttle response.  For those that like to tinker, most all the jetting adjustments are easy to get to.  The Mikuni has been around for a very long time (even longer than the KLR) and offers many tuning possibilities.  The kit includes a jet kit that will let you dial-in this carburetor to your bike and riding style.  I include instructions to get you started and most often there is no additional jetting changes required once the initial jets are selected.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:10 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; normkel32@... [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant    

Norm, Here is a link to the blog on which I did a project report. Has some pictures. http://rbemr.blogspot.com/2013/03/to-carb-or-not-to-carb-no-not-beemer-klr.html I collaborated some with Fred just before he offered his kits so it is essentially the same as his kits. Probably have 6,000-7,000 miles and going on a 1 1/2 years now and I m happy with the change. Other than the original jet tweaking, I haven t had to mess with it once. I have a second Mikuni I picked up last winter ready to reassemble and install on my #2 KLR.   Ron     [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 09, 2014 10:48 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant    

Ron, any chance you might email a photo of your VM2 installation?   I've not seen on on a KLR but keep hearing good things.   Norm

[Fred Hink]

Is the Husky with 12.3:1 compression required to run Race Gas?  Cost per mile goes up when you need Premium fuel.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:14 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant    

I noticed, from the CW test, that the Husky with 12.3:1 versus 9.8:1 compression ratio plus EFI versus carb. only made 45 mpg average versus the KLR's 41. Not a big advantage.....   It would be interesting to compare a higher compression ratio KLR as I'd guess that a KLR with higher CR might close the gap.....  of course the ability to lug and otherwise abuse the KLR would not be as good.   Interesting test.   Thanks!

[Harry Seifert]

HI Fred,  If the swirl built into the head is sufficient, and promotes rapid enough burning, it should not pre-ignite using premium pump gas.But with this crap that is sold as gasoline in CA, who knows.I ll stick with a carb on my KLR.  How much is the Mikuni conversion?  I am not a big fan of Keihins.Buddy  

On Jul 9, 2014, at 10:34 AM, 'Fred Hink' moabmc@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is the Husky with 12.3:1 compression required to run Race Gas?  Cost per mile goes up when you need Premium fuel. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com  [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com[b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:14 AM[b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com[b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Rant  I noticed, from the CW test, that the Husky with 12.3:1 versus 9.8:1 compression ratio plus EFI versus carb. only made 45 mpg average versus the KLR's 41. Not a big advantage..... It would be interesting to compare a higher compression ratio KLR as I'd guess that a KLR with higher CR might close the gap.....  of course the ability to lug and otherwise abuse the KLR would not be as good. Interesting test.   Thanks!