correction: klr fuel delivery

[RobertWichert]

I still say "Scope it" if you can find a shop that will do it, but you may have found the problem and not know it.  A loose connection (any loose connection, even at the diode) can cause intermittent problems.  Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C HERS I/II CEPE CEA BPI CERTIFIED SF/MF GREEN POINT RATER +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 6/23/2014 11:26 PM, 'James W. Flower' jwflower53@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:

  I'm the one with the high rpm miss on my A13. I'm kibbitzing on the oscilloscope thread, and I did say I'd ask the local shops about it, partly because your discussion is way over my head. They open tomorrow, but read on: I may not call. I tried to use a timing light and so much oil spewed out of the access hole that I couldn't even begin to get a reading. Perhaps the tilt of the sidestand was enough to cause the gusher. I have a stand that holds the bike upright, but I'm not sure it's stable enough to use while the bike is running. I have no clue how to ride the bike with a timing light hooked up to it, as it seemed someone here was suggesting. But meanwhile, I replaced the diode unit with another, used, one, just because it only cost $10 on eBay. Then I did a two ten-mile test ride at 5000 rpm. The miss has always started within two miles, but it didn't appear at all. To make sure it was the diode unit that fixed the problem, I put the old one back in, and made the exact same ten-mile ride; if the miss reappeared, I'd be satisfied that I'd found the problem. Surprise, surprise: the miss did not return. Yesterday I did a six-mile test, still with the original diode installed: still no miss. So, what fixed the problem? I have no idea. The good news is it's fixed. The bad news is, since I didn't find the cause, I have no way of knowing the odds of it reccurring. So, do I turn a blind eye to the gift horse and take the 200 to 400-mile trips I'd been planning? Or do I continue to check and/or replace components, etc., hoping to find a bad one, though I'm experiencing no symptoms? (The si x-mile test yesterday was at the end of a 200-mile day trip during which I never ran above 4500 and never had the problem, she ran like a top. Only on last leg was I on freeway, and as I say, no miss. ?!?!?!?!?!?.) -James

[Martin Earl]

Of course you take the trip, AND, you make sure your bike insurance includes towing. grin.Thin is the line between adventure and adversity. revmaaatin.

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:26 AM, 'James W. Flower' jwflower53@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I'm the one with the high rpm miss on my A13. I'm kibbitzing on the oscilloscope thread, and I did say I'd ask the local shops about it, partly because your discussion is way over my head. They open tomorrow, but read on: I may not call. I tried to use a timing light and so much oil spewed out of the access hole that I couldn't even begin to get a reading. Perhaps the tilt of the sidestand was enough to cause the gusher. I have a stand that holds the bike upright, but I'm not sure it's stable enough to use while the bike is running. I have no clue how to ride the bike with a timing light hooked up to it, as it seemed someone here was suggesting. But meanwhile, I replaced the diode unit with another, used, one, just because it only cost $10 on eBay. Then I did a two ten-mile test ride at 5000 rpm. The miss has always started within two miles, but it didn't appear at all. To make sure it was the diode unit that fixed the problem, I put the old one back in, and made the exact same ten-mile ride; if the miss reappeared, I'd be satisfied that I'd found the problem. Surprise, surprise: the miss did not return. Yesterday I did a six-mile test, still with the original diode installed: still no miss. So, what fixed the problem? I have no idea. The good news is it's fixed. The bad news is, since I didn't find the cause, I have no way of knowing the odds of it reccurring. So, do I turn a blind eye to the gift horse and take the 200 to 400-mile trips I'd been planning? Or do I continue to check and/or replace components, etc., hoping to find a bad one, though I'm experiencing no symptoms? (The six-mile test yesterday was at the end of a 200-mile day trip during which I never ran above 4500 and never had the problem, she ran like a top. Only on last leg was I on freeway, and as I say, no miss. ?!?!?!?!?!?.) -James ------------------------------------ Posted by: "James W. Flower" ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023 ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/ Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/join (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email: DSN_KLR650-digest@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/

[James W. Flower]

Robert- Three out of the four local moto shops say they have no 'scope.  The fourth I haven't asked yet, but the first three say the fourth is also scopeless.-James

On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:02 AM, RobertWichert wrote: I still say "Scope it" if you can find a shop that will do it, but you may have found the problem and not know it.  A loose connection (any loose connection, even at the diode) can cause intermittent problems.  Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C HERS I/II CEPE CEA BPI CERTIFIED SF/MF GREEN POINT RATER +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 6/23/2014 11:26 PM, 'James W. Flower' jwflower53@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:   I'm the one with the high rpm miss on my A13. I'm kibbitzing on the oscilloscope thread, and I did say I'd ask the local shops about it, partly because your discussion is way over my head. They open tomorrow, but read on: I may not call. I tried to use a timing light and so much oil spewed out of the access hole that I couldn't even begin to get a reading. Perhaps the tilt of the sidestand was enough to cause the gusher. I have a stand that holds the bike upright, but I'm not sure it's stable enough to use while the bike is running. I have no clue how to ride the bike with a timing light hooked up to it, as it seemed someone here was suggesting. But meanwhile, I replaced the diode unit with another, used, one, just because it only cost $10 on eBay. Then I did a two ten-mile test ride at 5000 rpm. The miss has always started within two miles, but it didn't appear at all. To make sure it was the diode unit that fixed the problem, I put the old one back in, and made the exact same ten-mile ride; if the miss reappeared, I'd be satisfied that I'd found the problem. Surprise, surprise: the miss did not return. Yesterday I did a six-mile test, still with the original diode installed: still no miss. So, what fixed the problem? I have no idea. The good news is it's fixed. The bad news is, since I didn't find the cause, I have no way of knowing the odds of it reccurring. So, do I turn a blind eye to the gift horse and take the 200 to 400-mile trips I'd been planning? Or do I continue to check and/or replace components, etc., hoping to find a bad one, though I'm experiencing no symptoms? (The si x-mile test yesterday was at the end of a 200-mile day trip during which I never ran above 4500 and never had the problem, she ran like a top. Only on last leg was I on freeway, and as I say, no miss. ?!?!?!?!?!?.) -James

[RobertWichert]

Pep Boys or Sears.  Hope somebody still knows how to hook it up! Ha! Robert P. Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&CHERS I & HERS IICEPE & CEA RES & NON-RES +1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068

On Jun 24, 2014, at 9:31 PM, "James W. Flower" wrote:

Robert- Three out of the four local moto shops say they have no 'scope.  The fourth I haven't asked yet, but the first three say the fourth is also scopeless.-James On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:02 AM, RobertWichert wrote: I still say "Scope it" if you can find a shop that will do it, but you may have found the problem and not know it.  A loose connection (any loose connection, even at the diode) can cause intermittent problems.  Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C HERS I/II CEPE CEA BPI CERTIFIED SF/MF GREEN POINT RATER +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 6/23/2014 11:26 PM, 'James W. Flower' jwflower53@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:   I'm the one with the high rpm miss on my A13. I'm kibbitzing on the oscilloscope thread, and I did say I'd ask the local shops about it, partly because your discussion is way over my head. They open tomorrow, but read on: I may not call. I tried to use a timing light and so much oil spewed out of the access hole that I couldn't even begin to get a reading. Perhaps the tilt of the sidestand was enough to cause the gusher. I have a stand that holds the bike upright, but I'm not sure it's stable enough to use while the bike is running. I have no clue how to ride the bike with a timing light hooked up to it, as it seemed someone here was suggesting. But meanwhile, I replaced the diode unit with another, used, one, just because it only cost $10 on eBay. Then I did a two ten-mile test ride at 5000 rpm. The miss has always started within two miles, but it didn't appear at all. To make sure it was the diode unit that fixed the problem, I put the old one back in, and made the exact same ten-mile ride; if the miss reappeared, I'd be satisfied that I'd found the problem. Surprise, surprise: the miss did not return. Yesterday I did a six-mile test, still with the original diode installed: still no miss. So, what fixed the problem? I have no idea. The good news is it's fixed. The bad news is, since I didn't find the cause, I have no way of knowing the odds of it reccurring. So, do I turn a blind eye to the gift horse and take the 200 to 400-mile trips I'd been planning? Or do I continue to check and/or replace components, etc., hoping to find a bad one, though I'm experiencing no symptoms? (The si x-mile test yesterday was at the end of a 200-mile day trip during which I never ran above 4500 and never had the problem, she ran like a top. Only on last leg was I on freeway, and as I say, no miss. ?!?!?!?!?!?.) -James

[James W. Flower]

Mark (and Jeff)-  I get it now.  I'll try those tests, which are much more comprehensive than what I did.-James On Jun 8, 2014, at 4:44 AM, mark ward wrote:

I think Jeff's thoughts are. Open or closed should, be about the same, start with a full tank, (less air in tank) And test a 3-4 gallons if it starts to slow after 1-2+ then your vent is not allowing air to pass threw properly. Another test is. 1/3 -1/2 Take a test run, when it happens, (STOP) open and close the cap allowing air in test again. if it takes awhile to miss, then your vent is plugged up. (hard to pull air into TANK, like a finger over a straw as "kids" (& grandpas) do. water (gas) vacuum trapped  On Sunday, June 8, 2014 12:05 AM, "jwflower53@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Fuel cap closed.  Didn't think to try it with cap open, since I don't (usually) ride with it open.  I was hoping for a clue to my 5000 rpm missing problem, but so far no luck. #ygrps-yiv-468931674 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838 -- #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #ygrps-yiv-468931674 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrps-yiv-468931674 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #ygrps-yiv-468931674 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrps-yiv-468931674 #ygrps-yiv-468931674yiv3599783838 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