looking for new tire advice

[Chris]

Hi all,

Again, the front hub on my 2001 has disintegrated, resulting in no speedometer drive. The casting that is part of the front hub, with the slots for the speedo drive fitting, has come apart -- resulting in no speedo drive, and no retaining ring (circlip) holding the bearing if it starts to move. The speedo drive housing has the remains of this part of the hub.

The first time, I figured I was spending too much time in deep water. I replaced the front wheel and have not submerged the hub since. Now this one has disintegrated!

Any ideas what's wrong? thanks, Chris

[Fred Hink]

Who ever took the front wheel apart wasn t careful when they put the speedo drive back on the wheel.  The speedo drive has a plate that fits in the slots in your hub and if these are not lined up will bend this plate.  The plate will drive the speedometer for a while until it starts slipping and wearing on the hub.  It is difficult sometimes to feel when the speedometer drive has this plate lined up with the dogs in your hub.  With practice you can feel when the drive is mated together properly and if it rocks or is loose then you probably don t have it lined up right.  If you start tightening your axle nut and the wheel has more drag than it did before, this is an indication that the drive is not where it should be.  If you bend this plate, it can be removed, straightened and reused.  You can also take out the drive gear with this plate from the drive and install the gear and plate to the hub, then install the drive housing on top of this gear.  This way you will be sure that the drive is lined up correctly.   Since it sounds like you have a major problem, you will need to replace the hub and maybe the drive to get your speedometer working again.  Be sure your speedometer cable and or the speedometer itself are not dragging.  If your speedometer cable has any kinks or breaks in the housing I would replace that too.  Grease the drive and the speedometer cable well and it should last a long time.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] 0404toward@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:04 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] front hub disintegrating - no speedo drive    

Hi all, Again, the front hub on my 2001 has disintegrated, resulting in no speedometer drive. The casting that is part of the front hub, with the slots for the speedo drive fitting, has come apart -- resulting in no speedo drive, and no retaining ring (circlip) holding the bearing if it starts to move. The speedo drive housing has the remains of this part of the hub. The first time, I figured I was spending too much time in deep water. I replaced the front wheel and have not submerged the hub since. Now this one has disintegrated! Any ideas what's wrong? thanks, Chris

[Chris]

Thanks Fred. That must have been what I did. Twice now. I've always been quite careful, I thought, with the speedo drive installation, having bent the speedo drive plate in the past. Thanks for the advice -- I like the idea of putting the speedo drive gear and plate on the hub first, then installing the speedo drive housing. And ... anybody got a front wheel for a 2001 for sale? (I'm in Falls Church, VA, 22046) thanks, Chris

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Fred Hink wrote: Who ever took the front wheel apart wasn t careful when they put the speedo drive back on the wheel. The speedo drive has a plate that fits in the slots in your hub and if these are not lined up will bend this plate. The plate will drive the speedometer for a while until it starts slipping and wearing on the hub. It is difficult sometimes to feel when the speedometer drive has this plate lined up with the dogs in your hub. With practice you can feel when the drive is mated together properly and if it rocks or is loose then you probably don t have it lined up right. If you start tightening your axle nut and the wheel has more drag than it did before, this is an indication that the drive is not where it should be. If you bend this plate, it can be removed, straightened and reused. You can also take out the drive gear with this plate from the drive and install the gear and plate to the hub, then install the drive housing on top of this gear. This way you will be sure that the drive is lined up correctly. Since it sounds like you have a major problem, you will need to replace the hub and maybe the drive to get your speedometer working again. Be sure your speedometer cable and or the speedometer itself are not dragging. If your speedometer cable has any kinks or breaks in the housing I would replace that too. Grease the drive and the speedometer cable well and it should last a long time. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] 0404toward@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:04 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] front hub disintegrating - no speedo drive Hi all, Again, the front hub on my 2001 has disintegrated, resulting in no speedometer drive. The casting that is part of the front hub, with the slots for the speedo drive fitting, has come apart -- resulting in no speedo drive, and no retaining ring (circlip) holding the bearing if it starts to move. The speedo drive housing has the remains of this part of the hub. The first time, I figured I was spending too much time in deep water. I replaced the front wheel and have not submerged the hub since. Now this one has disintegrated! Any ideas what's wrong? thanks, Chris

[mark ward]

GREASE AND WATER Hey Chris Many of us use Marine (boat) grease. designed to PROTECT around water "ISSUES".  It's what they also pack Boat trailer wheel bearings with, & they must go INTO THE WATER.. If you do not have a Marine (boat) shop near by Walmart should have it. or on line Cabela's etc etc.  

[b]From:[/b] Fred Hink [b]To:[/b] KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; Chris [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:38 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] front hub disintegrating - no speedo drive   Who ever took the front wheel apart wasn t careful when they put the speedo drive back on the wheel.  The speedo drive has a plate that fits in the slots in your hub and if these are not lined up will bend this plate.  The plate will drive the speedometer for a while until it starts slipping and wearing on the hub.  It is difficult sometimes to feel when the speedometer drive has this plate lined up with the dogs in your hub.  With practice you can feel when the drive is mated together properly and if it rocks or is loose then you probably don t have it lined up right.  If you start tightening your axle nut and the wheel has more drag than it did before, this is an indication that the drive is not where it should be.  If you bend this plate, it can be removed, straightened and reused.  You can also take out the drive gear with this plate from the drive and install the gear and plate to the hub, then install the drive housing on top of this gear.  This way you will be sure that the drive is lined up correctly.   Since it sounds like you have a major problem, you will need to replace the hub and maybe the drive to get your speedometer working again.  Be sure your speedometer cable and or the speedometer itself are not dragging.  If your speedometer cable has any kinks or breaks in the housing I would replace that too.  Grease the drive and the speedometer cable well and it should last a long time.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] 0404toward@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:04 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] front hub disintegrating - no speedo drive     Hi all, Again, the front hub on my 2001 has disintegrated, resulting in no speedometer drive. The casting that is part of the front hub, with the slots for the speedo drive fitting, has come apart -- resulting in no speedo drive, and no retaining ring (circlip) holding the bearing if it starts to move. The speedo drive housing has the remains of this part of the hub. The first time, I figured I was spending too much time in deep water. I replaced the front wheel and have not submerged the hub since. Now this one has disintegrated! 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-----Original Message-----  [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Chris [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, May 08, 2014 11:05 AM [b]To:[/b] KLR650 [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] front hub disintegrating - no speedo drive Hi all, Again, the front hub on my 2001 has disintegrated, resulting in no speedometer drive. The casting that is part of the front hub, with the slots for the speedo drive fitting, has come apart -- resulting in no speedo drive, and no retaining ring (circlip) holding the bearing if it starts to move. The speedo drive housing has the remains of this part of the hub. The first time, I figured I was spending too much time in deep water. I replaced the front wheel and have not submerged the hub since. Now this one has disintegrated! Any ideas what's wrong? thanks, Chris

[Norm Keller]

Boat trailer wheel bearing grease is an excellent suggestion. I use a general purpose automotive chassis grease for lubricating speedo drives, axle coatings, suspension, steering head. The grease you choose should be water proof and have EP (extreme pressure) rating. Don't bother considering lithium, or other factors because the carrier is not pertinent to the service. People become distracted by factors such as lithium (base), moly (content), etc. rather than to consider the NLGI service rating.

 

An NLGI #2 rated grease is usually the ideal choice for motorcycle service. I look for a grease which is rated for wheel bearings (disk brake wheel bearing service) because these greases are compatible with rolling element bearings and high temperatures; the grease also needs be rated for chassis lubrication which means ball joints, tie rods, swing arm bearings, because these have sliding friction; water proof and rust prevention are also critical.

 

I see many people using expensive "fashion designer" greases off bike store shelves or those with catchy names and wild claims but these do not perform as well as the popular "work horse" products used by service professionals. A grease gun tube for a few dollars lasts for a long time.

[Chris]

Thanks for everybody's inputs. With disassembly, I believe I put everything together right, but the speedo drive itself is jamming and caused the damage. The tangs of the steel drive plate are embedded in the speedo gear carrier - look like it took some force. I like the TrailTech idea. Still, I'd like an odometer on the bike to track maintenance. thanks! Chris

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM, 'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] [u][/u] Boat trailer wheel bearing grease is an excellent suggestion. I use a general purpose automotive chassis grease for lubricating speedo drives, axle coatings, suspension, steering head. The grease you choose should be water proof and have EP (extreme pressure) rating. Don't bother considering lithium, or other factors because the carrier is not pertinent to the service. People become distracted by factors such as lithium (base), moly (content), etc. rather than to consider the NLGI service rating. An NLGI #2 rated grease is usually the ideal choice for motorcycle service. I look for a grease which is rated for wheel bearings (disk brake wheel bearing service) because these greases are compatible with rolling element bearings and high temperatures; the grease also needs be rated for chassis lubrication which means ball joints, tie rods, swing arm bearings, because these have sliding friction; water proof and rust prevention are also critical. I see many people using expensive "fashion designer" greases off bike store shelves or those with catchy names and wild claims but these do not perform as well as the popular "work horse" products used by service professionals. A grease gun tube for a few dollars lasts for a long time.

[Norm Keller]

I ran Kenda 270's on my last KLR because was riding trails with the MX bikes at the cottage and doing a lot of gravel. Never found hard cornering on pavement to be an issue.

 

This one has Kenda 761' s which are better for my mostly pavement and some good gravel use, perhaps.

 

I'm going to try a set of Shinko 700's as the front Kenda is getting down and like to have really good tires.

 

I don't see doing any real trails now (over 65) as my body simply won't stand riding like I need to ride and picking the thing up is becoming really tough.

 

Tires, windscreens & seats are all the same, IME. No substitute for riding them in the type of conditions you encounter in your area. I've seen some heated discussions regarding tires between people who ride in different ground and am certain that each was absolutely correct for their own area. Soft sand, versus packed gravel, versus, clay mud are so different as to not be useful. Another issue is what one perceives as "squirrelly". Different road surfaces, different riding styles, etc. make for very different perceptions and feelings of confidence.

 

I still get down to almost dragging the pegs on pavement but other people find that unsettling. Others can ride in the dirt at rates I could never do and with less grip so try to swap bikes with a few people and to talk with your local riders who ride similar conditions. You won't be sorry.

[Norm Keller]

Any chance you might email a photo to my address?

 

I've seen many of these which were badly tangled up so might either offer some suggestions or learn something from the photo.

 

Norm