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[david zawadzki]

Gents, I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V meter and check whats draining the battery. I have not done that yet because it's been really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any ideas? ps- i've done some work on the bike but electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if you were talking to your 12 year old son -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com

[david zawadzki]

I have a yusa maintenance free 1 year old battery. It shouldn't go bad this fast but sometimes life gives lemons? New battery time!(I hope it's not the charging system) -David Zmobile: 646.267.1109www.thelegendofzarko.com

On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Ron Haraseth wrote:

  One indication of a bad battery is it will look like it charges quickly (30 min on a trickle charger is too fast), but still has very low capacity. Ron [b]From:[/b] fordavidz@... [b]Sent:[/b]  Saturday , January 18 , 2014 2 : 54 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com   Gents, I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V meter and check whats draining the battery. I have not done that yet because it's been really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any ideas? ps- i've done some work on the bike but electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if you were talking to your 12 year old son -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com    

[tomatocity]

Have you added or modified anything electrical? 12V outlet, Volt meter, Horn with a relay,... And yes new battery can be bad / lemons.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:07 PM, David Zawadzki wrote: [u][/u] I have a yusa maintenance free 1 year old battery. It shouldn't go bad this fast but sometimes life gives lemons? New battery time!(I hope it's not the charging system) -David Zmobile: 646.267.1109www.thelegendofzarko.com On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Ron Haraseth wrote: One indication of a bad battery is it will look like it charges quickly (30 min on a trickle charger is too fast), but still has very low capacity. Ron [b]From:[/b] fordavidz@... [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:54 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Gents, I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V meter and check whats draining the battery. I have not done that yet because it's been really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any ideas? ps- i've done some work on the bike but electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if you were talking to your 12 year old son -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com

[Jeff Saline]

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[DeGroot Patrick]

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On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote: Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20 , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated . you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery , the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said, the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up . Gents, I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V meter and check whats draining the battery. I have not done that yet because it's been really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any ideas? ps- i've done some work on the bike but electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if you were talking to your 12 year old son -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com

[david zawadzki]

This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days. Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet) -David

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote: Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20 , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated . you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery , the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said, the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up . Gents, I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V meter and check whats draining the battery. I have not done that yet because it's been really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any ideas? ps- i've done some work on the bike but electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if you were talking to your 12 year old son -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com

-- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com

[mark ward]

It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity)  Meter. While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job. A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more.

[b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days.  Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet) -David On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote:  Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question  To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>  Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM  David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20  , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated .  you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery ,  the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said,  the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up .           Gents,  I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and  the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the  battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V  meter and check whats draining the battery.  I have not done that yet because it's been  really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city  life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge  at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was  fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is  good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any  ideas?  ps- i've done some work on the bike but  electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if  you were talking to your 12 year old son  --  David  Z  mobile: 646-267-1109  http://www.thelegendofzarko.com/            

-- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com    

[david zawadzki]

Hey Jeff, I finally got around to doing the battery test.  The volt meter read about 15v with the switch on and off.  However when I cranked the engine, the battery voltage dropped instantly.  Went from 15v to 8v in a matter of 4 seconds.   Sounds like I need a new battery? Any recommendations? I have a maint free yusa for a year.   -David Zmobile: 646.267.1109www.thelegendofzarko.com

On Jan 19, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:

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[Jeff Saline]

David,   That does sound like a bad battery.  But reading 15 volts with the switch on or off is suspect.  That is really high.   I use a lead-acid battery from Walmart as the cost is about $40 and they normally last about 3 years for me.   Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 17:10:48 -0500 David Zawadzki writes:

Hey Jeff, I finally got around to doing the battery test.  The volt meter read about 15v with the switch on and off.  However when I cranked the engine, the battery voltage dropped instantly.  Went from 15v to 8v in a matter of 4 seconds.   Sounds like I need a new battery? Any recommendations? I have a maint free yusa for a year.   -David Z mobile: 646.267.1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com   . . .  

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[david zawadzki]

New battery. No more problems

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, mark ward wrote: It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity)  Meter. While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job. A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more. [b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question [u][/u]   This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days.  Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet) -David [u][/u][u][/u]On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote:[u][/u] -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote:  Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question  To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>  Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM  David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20  , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated .  you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery ,  the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said,  the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up . [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u]   [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u]        Gents,[u][/u]  I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and[u][/u]  the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the[u][/u]  battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V[u][/u]  meter and check whats draining the battery.[u][/u] [u][/u]  I have not done that yet because it's been[u][/u]  really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city[u][/u]  life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge[u][/u]  at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was[u][/u]  fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is[u][/u]  good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any[u][/u]  ideas?[u][/u] [u][/u]  ps- i've done some work on the bike but[u][/u]  electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if[u][/u]  you were talking to your 12 year old son [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u]  --[u][/u]  David[u][/u]  Z[u][/u]  mobile: 646-267-1109[u][/u]  http://www.thelegendofzarko.com/[u][/u] [u][/u]   [u][/u]   [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u]      [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u]

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