arches/moab camping advice

[Tim Pruitt]

Has there been any news regarding this rider? I've not seen anything lately. I'd like to think he was found safe and mostly sound, but has anyone heard? On Monday, March 3, 2014 12:51 PM, Bogdan Swider wrote:   Written like a man who's been there and done that and is blessed with common sense. As far as avoiding places with economies in disarray, however, I'll give you an exception. For the last 6 years I've been working in Seville, Spain for a month in the Spring. Southern Spain has astronomical unemployment; estimates vary but most say it's at least 40% of the working age population. Walking the streets you'd never know there's a problem; the cafes mostly outdoor are full. The whole place is on a party; they don't go light on the tapas and definitely don't abstain from wine and beer. FWIW no KLRs in Spain a major marketing error, it's exactly the kind of bike the Spanish would buy. Bogdan

From: Ron Criswell Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:35 PM To: Bogdan Swider Cc: Mark Harfenist , "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR rider missing in Mexico

I used to go to Mexico once or twice a year and rode with 3 others to the bottom of Copper Canyon 11 years ago. But living in Texas, Every Mexican from there I have talked to tell me....don't go now. And I have talked to quite a few usually working on my house. Many of them don't go to see family these days. Read a book called God's Middle Finger about travel in Northern Mexico in the Copper Canyon area and the drug business there. 60 % of the money flowing through Mexico is illegal drug money untaxed according to the author. He had his scary moments researching the book with a couple guys trying to kill him. The last time we went to Cabo, I mentioned to a local I had thought about going to Matzatlan (not far from where the drug king pin was arrested recently). It is just across the Sea of Cortez from Cabo. He told me don't go over there "too many narcos" he said. I too have traveled to Venezuela twice. Angel Falls both trips.....spectacular. Puerto la Cruz, Margarita Island and walked the shopping district called Grand Sabina in Caracas at dusk in 1989. Won't go right now. Haven't been back there since Chavez screwed the country up. Been to Argentina 3 times, Chile once (spectacular), and two days in Rio....all great trips. People asked weren't you scared in Rio "No, we were with a big group on that one." I have also been to Greece.....but wouldn't go now. Rule of thumb for me traveling is if economic conditions and political conditions are in disarray or the drug business is taking over....I don't go. I might go to Columbia now instead of Mexico as it has seemed the drug business has shifted more to Mexico these days. Chile was real stable when we went 6 years ago....but they recently elected a new leftist government....stay tuned. All that said....I always expect to be robbed in New Orleans everytime I go but love the place. The four or five people I know that have robbed by armed gunmen....we're robbed right here in the Dallas area where I live. Been to NYC 3 or 4 times and never have felt threatened....but did feel threatened a couple times in the Virgin Islands. You have to have your danger antennae out anywhere you go. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Bogdan Swider wrote:   I guess I'm just "silly". I've traveled by motorcycle from Colorado to Central America 3 times. I've ridden into Mexico - Guanajuato, Veracruz etc. - a number of times in addition. I've taken groups of students for a month long stay in Baja where we camped in various places ..I could go on. Oh yeah .I speak Spanish. FWIW ..I grew up in a dangerous neighborhood in Chicago where I was robbed at gunpoint in front of my house. Therefore . when I was robbed at gunpoint in Sonora, it wasn't the first time. These mis-adventures didn't cause me to leave my part of Chicago or keep me from returning to Mexico.    I strongly object to the tone of the post below and what conclusions may be taken from it.   Sorry it is more dangerous south of the Rio Grande/Bravo then it used to be. One example of many I know : An old friend is from a village in the center of Chihuahua. He used to drive From Colorado Springs to there; now, because of lawlessness,  he leaves his truck in El Paso and takes a bus the rest of the way. Would I motorcycle into/through Mexico again ? Yes, carefully, if I had a reason. However, saying that avoiding dangerous areas in the US is no different than avoiding harm in a foreign country is not true. Also implying  that by avoiding states with dangerous reputations,  staying alert and culturally aware you will guaranty safety is not true.  I've never carried  firearms in Mexico but I don't know what the gratuitous comment on feeling safer if one could, legally,  being " even sillier " is based on. I'm writing because I'm afraid inexperienced people  will get a wrong impression. Bogdan From: Mark Harfenist Reply-To: Mark Harfenist Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:42 AM To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR rider missing in Mexico   To say that Mexico is unsafe and no one should go there is just silly, akin to saying that the USA is unsafe because you saw school, movie theater or military base shootings on the news.  To say that "the problem" is that you can't carry firearms there is even sillier.   Thousands of riders from the USA and all over the world ride in Mexico every year without incident.  I've been one of them, for months at a time. This particular rider was on his own in a famously strife-ridden area, and by all indications was way over his head there.  It would be fair to say that riders shouldn't blunder around blindly in the parts of Michoac n or Guererro where narcotraficantes are currently battling it out with both federal (military) authorities and unofficial (local militia and vigilante) groups .and that if doing so one shouldn't accept "military escorts" of unknown and unknowable provenance. It would also be fair to say that when riding internationally riders should stay alert and bear in mind that language and cultural issues often prevent them from getting accurate reads on whatever situations might arise.   For what it's worth, I liked riding in Venezuela, too--a wonderful, friendly, beautiful and fascinating place.   enjoy, Mark  Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:05 pm (PST) . 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[Mark Harfenist]

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.p ... > [b]From:[/b] Tim Pruitt [b]To:[/b] Bogdan Swider ; Ron Criswell [b]Cc:[/b] Mark Harfenist ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:38 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR rider missing in Mexico Has there been any news regarding this rider? I've not seen anything lately. I'd like to think he was found safe and mostly sound, but has anyone heard? On Monday, March 3, 2014 12:51 PM, Bogdan Swider wrote:   Written like a man who's been there and done that and is blessed with common sense. As far as avoiding places with economies in disarray, however, I'll give you an exception. For the last 6 years I've been working in Seville, Spain for a month in the Spring. Southern Spain has astronomical unemployment; estimates vary but most say it's at least 40% of the working age population. Walking the streets you'd never know there's a problem; the cafes mostly outdoor are full. The whole place is on a party; they don't go light on the tapas and definitely don't abstain from wine and beer. FWIW no KLRs in Spain a major marketing error, it's exactly the kind of bike the Spanish would buy. Bogdan

From: Ron Criswell Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:35 PM To: Bogdan Swider Cc: Mark Harfenist , "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR rider missing in Mexico

I used to go to Mexico once or twice a year and rode with 3 others to the bottom of Copper Canyon 11 years ago. But living in Texas, Every Mexican from there I have talked to tell me....don't go now. And I have talked to quite a few usually working on my house. Many of them don't go to see family these days. Read a book called God's Middle Finger about travel in Northern Mexico in the Copper Canyon area and the drug business there. 60 % of the money flowing through Mexico is illegal drug money untaxed according to the author. He had his scary moments researching the book with a couple guys trying to kill him. The last time we went to Cabo, I mentioned to a local I had thought about going to Matzatlan (not far from where the drug king pin was arrested recently). It is just across the Sea of Cortez from Cabo. He told me don't go over there "too many narcos" he said. I too have traveled to Venezuela twice. Angel Falls both trips.....spectacular. Puerto la Cruz, Margarita Island and walked the shopping district called Grand Sabina in Caracas at dusk in 1989. Won't go right now. Haven't been back there since Chavez screwed the country up. Been to Argentina 3 times, Chile once (spectacular), and two days in Rio....all great trips. People asked weren't you scared in Rio "No, we were with a big group on that one." I have also been to Greece.....but wouldn't go now. Rule of thumb for me traveling is if economic conditions and political conditions are in disarray or the drug business is taking over....I don't go. I might go to Columbia now instead of Mexico as it has seemed the drug business has shifted more to Mexico these days. Chile was real stable when we went 6 years ago....but they recently elected a new leftist government....stay tuned. All that said....I always expect to be robbed in New Orleans everytime I go but love the place. The four or five people I know that have robbed by armed gunmen....we're robbed right here in the Dallas area where I live. Been to NYC 3 or 4 times and never have felt threatened....but did feel threatened a couple times in the Virgin Islands. You have to have your danger antennae out anywhere you go. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Bogdan Swider wrote:   I guess I'm just "silly". I've traveled by motorcycle from Colorado to Central America 3 times. I've ridden into Mexico - Guanajuato, Veracruz etc. - a number of times in addition. I've taken groups of students for a month long stay in Baja where we camped in various places ..I could go on. Oh yeah .I speak Spanish. FWIW ..I grew up in a dangerous neighborhood in Chicago where I was robbed at gunpoint in front of my house. Therefore . when I was robbed at gunpoint in Sonora, it wasn't the first time. These mis-adventures didn't cause me to leave my part of Chicago or keep me from returning to Mexico.    I strongly object to the tone of the post below and what conclusions may be taken from it.   Sorry it is more dangerous south of the Rio Grande/Bravo then it used to be. One example of many I know : An old friend is from a village in the center of Chihuahua. He used to drive From Colorado Springs to there; now, because of lawlessness,  he leaves his truck in El Paso and takes a bus the rest of the way. Would I motorcycle into/through Mexico again ? Yes, carefully, if I had a reason. However, saying that avoiding dangerous areas in the US is no different than avoiding harm in a foreign country is not true. Also implying  that by avoiding states with dangerous reputations,  staying alert and culturally aware you will guaranty safety is not true.  I've never carried  firearms in Mexico but I don't know what the gratuitous comment on feeling safer if one could, legally,  being " even sillier " is based on. I'm writing because I'm afraid inexperienced people  will get a wrong impression. Bogdan From: Mark Harfenist Reply-To: Mark Harfenist Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:42 AM To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR rider missing in Mexico   To say that Mexico is unsafe and no one should go there is just silly, akin to saying that the USA is unsafe because you saw school, movie theater or military base shootings on the news.  To say that "the problem" is that you can't carry firearms there is even sillier.   Thousands of riders from the USA and all over the world ride in Mexico every year without incident.  I've been one of them, for months at a time. This particular rider was on his own in a famously strife-ridden area, and by all indications was way over his head there.  It would be fair to say that riders shouldn't blunder around blindly in the parts of Michoac n or Guererro where narcotraficantes are currently battling it out with both federal (military) authorities and unofficial (local militia and vigilante) groups .and that if doing so one shouldn't accept "military escorts" of unknown and unknowable provenance. It would also be fair to say that when riding internationally riders should stay alert and bear in mind that language and cultural issues often prevent them from getting accurate reads on whatever situations might arise.   For what it's worth, I liked riding in Venezuela, too--a wonderful, friendly, beautiful and fascinating place.   enjoy, Mark  Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:05 pm (PST) . 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[ron criswell]

I have camped with a friend south of Moab off a dirt road (sandy) under an Arch. I have no idea how to find the place again (dang it). I have also camped up in the La Sals with the same friend in aspen trees.....but that area probably is in snow in April. I see people camped along the river west of Moab but not sure if permits are needed? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Mar 20, 2014, at 5:26 PM, "Fred Hink" wrote:

  You ll see there are events happening throughout the year in Moab with a few events that will take over the town and the surrounding areas.  Easter Jeep Safari and the Custom Car Show are two of our largest events and you won t find rooms or camping for months and years in advance of that time.  Motels and restaurants will be full then but you may luck out and find a vacancy, you just have to be in the right place at the right time.  We have many campgrounds and you ll just have to call them to see what they have available. http://www.moabhappenings.com/events%20year.htm   http://www.moabhappenings.com/lodging.htm Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] fordavidz@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Arches/Moab Camping advice     Hey guys,   Rookie question here...I'm going to Moab at the end of April and most of the campgrounds are sold out. I will  do some off road riding. Can i just camp anywhere(in the wild) or do i need to be at a designated camp sites?   Any recommendations on campgrounds? April 22-26   Thanks!  -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com