[bulk] [dsn_klr650] long sad story - klr no run...

[Stu Mitchell]

Hey all, I am having a similar problem. After doing the thermo-hickety and Doo-bob, the frame drilling adventure (that's a memory I wish I could erase), other odds and ends; I also upgraded the stator to the popular next size up from RaceTech. Now time to put the old gal back together - she ALWAYS started right up - engine probably wouldn't even spin twice to catch and idle perfectly. But this time - no go.. Yep, I turned the gas on, yep, I plugged everything in.. nope, she ain't starting.. Pulled plug wire, and using an old plug test for spark.. Hmmm - no go. So, off comes cover, order new gasket, will replace new stator with old stator, button back up and see if that helps. But I am open to other suggestions also. Thanks, Stu 2002 KLR 650 Work in Progress Shellon & Stu ~~~~~/)~~~~~ It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - T Roosevelt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:18 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story Thanks, Jeff... Two good nuggets in your post. 1) If I broke one of the yellow stator wires, that could cause the problem, right? 2) I'll check the sidestand switch. Thanks! Robert ============================================================

On 2/2/2014 8:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:37:25 -0800 RobertWichert > writes: >> It's an '07 Gen I, Jeff.... >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> I checked the resistance on the exciter and pickup. Both were >> within >> the limits in the manual. >> >> I haven't checked the alternator yet. >> >> I am curious if the coil primary voltage is supplied by the battery >> or >> the alternator. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Robert, > > Gen I ignition system is powered from the stator and doesn't need a > battery. Gen II uses power from the battery. > > I wonder if something got stuck to the pickup or the pickup got moved. > Maybe the bracket holding the pickup got bent? > > As for your question about the side stand switch. That is only part of > the ignition system on a Gen I and has nothing to do with the starter. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > . > . > > __________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52ef20975c4b920971b87st01vuc > > -- Robert P Wichert P.Eng. Inc. LEED AP, HERS II, CEA +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

Same with me, Stu.  I'm thinking that I broke something.  A wire, for instance.  Some are saying that the sidestand switch may be the culprit.  I'll check that today too, but I'm probably going to be cutting off wire shields to look for what I messed up. Your green neutral light comes on, right? Did you check the resistance in the exciter and pickup?  An open there could kill it pretty quick, I bet. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/3/2014 7:37 AM, Stu Mitchell wrote:

  Hey all, I am having a similar problem. After doing the thermo-hickety and Doo-bob, the frame drilling adventure (that's a memory I wish I could erase), other odds and ends; I also upgraded the stator to the popular next size up from RaceTech. Now time to put the old gal back together - she ALWAYS started right up - engine probably wouldn't even spin twice to catch and idle perfectly. But this time - no go.. Yep, I turned the gas on, yep, I plugged everything in.. nope, she ain't starting.. Pulled plug wire, and using an old plug test for spark.. Hmmm - no go. So, off comes cover, order new gasket, will replace new stator with old stator, button back up and see if that helps. But I am open to other suggestions also. Thanks, Stu 2002 KLR 650 Work in Progress Shellon & Stu ~~~~~/)~~~~~ It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - T Roosevelt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:18 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story Thanks, Jeff... Two good nuggets in your post. 1) If I broke one of the yellow stator wires, that could cause the problem, right? 2) I'll check the sidestand switch. Thanks! Robert ============================================================ On 2/2/2014 8:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:37:25 -0800 RobertWichert robert@... > writes: >> It's an '07 Gen I, Jeff.... >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> I checked the resistance on the exciter and pickup. Both were >> within >> the limits in the manual. >> >> I haven't checked the alternator yet. >> >> I am curious if the coil primary voltage is supplied by the battery >> or >> the alternator. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Robert, > > Gen I ignition system is powered from the stator and doesn't need a > battery. Gen II uses power from the battery. > > I wonder if something got stuck to the pickup or the pickup got moved. > Maybe the bracket holding the pickup got bent? > > As for your question about the side stand switch. That is only part of > the ignition system on a Gen I and has nothing to do with the starter. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > . > . > > __________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52ef20975c4b920971b87st01vuc > > -- Robert P Wichert P.Eng. Inc. LEED AP, HERS II, CEA +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Stu Mitchell]

Yeah - Green Neutral Light is on.. I moved the sidestand up and down also. (bike is on a jack) Shellon & Stu ~~~~~/)~~~~~ "Life is short, break the rules, forgive quickly, kiss slowly, love truly, laugh uncontrollably, and never regret anything that made you smile. Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:08 AM To: Stu Mitchell; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story - KLR No Run... Same with me, Stu. I'm thinking that I broke something. A wire, for instance. Some are saying that the sidestand switch may be the culprit. I'll check that today too, but I'm probably going to be cutting off wire shields to look for what I messed up. Your green neutral light comes on, right? Did you check the resistance in the exciter and pickup? An open there could kill it pretty quick, I bet. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/3/2014 7:37 AM, Stu Mitchell wrote: Hey all, I am having a similar problem. After doing the thermo-hickety and Doo-bob, the frame drilling adventure (that's a memory I wish I could erase), other odds and ends; I also upgraded the stator to the popular next size up from RaceTech. Now time to put the old gal back together - she ALWAYS started right up - engine probably wouldn't even spin twice to catch and idle perfectly. But this time - no go.. Yep, I turned the gas on, yep, I plugged everything in.. nope, she ain't starting.. Pulled plug wire, and using an old plug test for spark.. Hmmm - no go. So, off comes cover, order new gasket, will replace new stator with old stator, button back up and see if that helps. But I am open to other suggestions also. Thanks, Stu 2002 KLR 650 Work in Progress Shellon & Stu ~~~~~/)~~~~~ It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - T Roosevelt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:18 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story Thanks, Jeff... Two good nuggets in your post. 1) If I broke one of the yellow stator wires, that could cause the problem, right? 2) I'll check the sidestand switch. Thanks! Robert ============================================================ On 2/2/2014 8:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:37:25 -0800 RobertWichert > writes: >> It's an '07 Gen I, Jeff.... >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> I checked the resistance on the exciter and pickup. Both were >> within >> the limits in the manual. >> >> I haven't checked the alternator yet. >> >> I am curious if the coil primary voltage is supplied by the battery >> or >> the alternator. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Robert, > > Gen I ignition system is powered from the stator and doesn't need a > battery. Gen II uses power from the battery. > > I wonder if something got stuck to the pickup or the pickup got moved. > Maybe the bracket holding the pickup got bent? > > As for your question about the side stand switch. That is only part of > the ignition system on a Gen I and has nothing to do with the starter. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > . > . > > __________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52ef20975c4b920971b87st01vuc > > -- Robert P Wichert P.Eng. Inc. LEED AP, HERS II, CEA +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

EVERYONE SHOULD OWN....A $20. MULTI TEST METER. Before cutting away insulators TEST THE WIRES. For as far back as I can remember, people have had trouble with Electrical items, (Including a simple lamp) Yet MOST refuse to get a MULTI TEST METER. They are ALOT simpler to use then most would ever realize, and They would use it ALOT MORE then they would Imagine.  (Including testing a simple AA battery. I taught my 9 year old grand son the basics, and my 6 year old grand daughter was watching, NOW SHE test batteries, and even wants to Ohm out extension cords to show she can. (O.OO21 Is good right Grampy?)

 [b]rom:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] Stu Mitchell ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, February 3, 2014 11:08 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story - KLR No Run...   Same with me, Stu.  I'm thinking that I broke something.  A wire, for instance.  Some are saying that the sidestand switch may be the culprit.  I'll check that today too, but I'm probably going to be cutting off wire shields to look for what I messed up. Your green neutral light comes on, right? Did you check the resistance in the exciter and pickup?  An open there could kill it pretty quick, I bet. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 2/3/2014 7:37 AM, Stu Mitchell wrote:   Hey all, I am having a similar problem. After doing the thermo-hickety and Doo-bob, the frame drilling adventure (that's a memory I wish I could erase), other odds and ends; I also upgraded the stator to the popular next size up from RaceTech. Now time to put the old gal back together - she ALWAYS started right up - engine probably wouldn't even spin twice to catch and idle perfectly. But this time - no go.. Yep, I turned the gas on, yep, I plugged everything in.. nope, she ain't starting.. Pulled plug wire, and using an old plug test for spark.. Hmmm - no go. So, off comes cover, order new gasket, will replace new stator with old stator, button back up and see if that helps. But I am open to other suggestions also. Thanks, Stu 2002 KLR 650 Work in Progress Shellon & Stu ~~~~~/)~~~~~ It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - T Roosevelt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:18 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story Thanks, Jeff... Two good nuggets in your post. 1) If I broke one of the yellow stator wires, that could cause the problem, right? 2) I'll check the sidestand switch. Thanks! Robert ============================================================ On 2/2/2014 8:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:37:25 -0800 RobertWichert robert@... > writes: >> It's an '07 Gen I, Jeff.... >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> I checked the resistance on the exciter and pickup. Both were >> within >> the limits in the manual. >> >> I haven't checked the alternator yet. >> >> I am curious if the coil primary voltage is supplied by the battery >> or >> the alternator. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Robert, > > Gen I ignition system is powered from the stator and doesn't need a > battery. Gen II uses power from the battery. > > I wonder if something got stuck to the pickup or the pickup got moved. > Maybe the bracket holding the pickup got bent? > > As for your question about the side stand switch. That is only part of > the ignition system on a Gen I and has nothing to do with the starter. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > . > . > > __________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52ef20975c4b920971b87st01vuc > > -- Robert P Wichert P.Eng. Inc. LEED AP, HERS II, CEA +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

Good advice. I've been doing that Mark. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068

On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:24 AM, mark ward wrote:

EVERYONE SHOULD OWN....A $20. MULTI TEST METER. Before cutting away insulators TEST THE WIRES. For as far back as I can remember, people have had trouble with Electrical items, (Including a simple lamp) Yet MOST refuse to get a MULTI TEST METER. They are ALOT simpler to use then most would ever realize, and They would use it ALOT MORE then they would Imagine.  (Including testing a simple AA battery. I taught my 9 year old grand son the basics, and my 6 year old grand daughter was watching, NOW SHE test batteries, and even wants to Ohm out extension cords to show she can. (O.OO21 Is good right Grampy?)  [b]rom:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] Stu Mitchell ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, February 3, 2014 11:08 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story - KLR No Run...   Same with me, Stu.  I'm thinking that I broke something.  A wire, for instance.  Some are saying that the sidestand switch may be the culprit.  I'll check that today too, but I'm probably going to be cutting off wire shields to look for what I messed up. Your green neutral light comes on, right? Did you check the resistance in the exciter and pickup?  An open there could kill it pretty quick, I bet. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 2/3/2014 7:37 AM, Stu Mitchell wrote:   Hey all, I am having a similar problem. After doing the thermo-hickety and Doo-bob, the frame drilling adventure (that's a memory I wish I could erase), other odds and ends; I also upgraded the stator to the popular next size up from RaceTech. Now time to put the old gal back together - she ALWAYS started right up - engine probably wouldn't even spin twice to catch and idle perfectly. But this time - no go.. Yep, I turned the gas on, yep, I plugged everything in.. nope, she ain't starting.. Pulled plug wire, and using an old plug test for spark.. Hmmm - no go. So, off comes cover, order new gasket, will replace new stator with old stator, button back up and see if that helps. But I am open to other suggestions also. Thanks, Stu 2002 KLR 650 Work in Progress Shellon & Stu ~~~~~/)~~~~~ It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - T Roosevelt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:18 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Long sad story Thanks, Jeff... Two good nuggets in your post. 1) If I broke one of the yellow stator wires, that could cause the problem, right? 2) I'll check the sidestand switch. Thanks! Robert ============================================================ On 2/2/2014 8:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:37:25 -0800 RobertWichert robert@... > writes: >> It's an '07 Gen I, Jeff.... >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> I checked the resistance on the exciter and pickup. Both were >> within >> the limits in the manual. >> >> I haven't checked the alternator yet. >> >> I am curious if the coil primary voltage is supplied by the battery >> or >> the alternator. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Robert > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Robert, > > Gen I ignition system is powered from the stator and doesn't need a > battery. Gen II uses power from the battery. > > I wonder if something got stuck to the pickup or the pickup got moved. > Maybe the bracket holding the pickup got bent? > > As for your question about the side stand switch. That is only part of > the ignition system on a Gen I and has nothing to do with the starter. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > . > . > > __________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52ef20975c4b920971b87st01vuc > > -- Robert P Wichert P.Eng. Inc. LEED AP, HERS II, CEA +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]