oil changes

[Bogdan Swider]

Hi old friends and new,

Been away for a while trust all is well.

Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ?

Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

[Ron Haraseth]

So what s the down side?  At least you get to go for a ride and the oil  flow out a little quicker.  Reminds me, I need to change the oil in the truck and Jeep.   [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 10:48 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ?    

Hi old friends and new,   Been away for a while trust all is well.   Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ?   Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

[RobertWichert]

Burns your hands... Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 11/25/2013 10:00 AM, Ron Haraseth wrote:

So what s the down side? At least you get to go for a ride and the oil flow out a little quicker. Reminds me, I need to change the oil in the truck and Jeep. [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 10:48 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ? Hi old friends and new, Been away for a while trust all is well. Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ? Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

[mark ward]

Time is Time If above 50+-dig. Either wait a few extra minutes for cool oil to flow from THE PAN. OR WAIT for the Hot stuff to flow TO THE PAN FROM THE WHOLE ENGINE AND CLUTCHS You just put it ALL BACK INTO. Personally I feel, The EXTRA STUFF, sitting in the bottom of the pan, removes better when the oil is hot and moving faster. SO every few changes, AFTER Original draining AND letting it sit and drain an EXTRA 20+- minutes, ...I put the plug back in finger "tight", AND Dump in a  fresh quart to FLUSH / RINCE what was sitting in the bottom of the pan.

[b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] Ron Haraseth ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ?   Burns your hands... Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 11/25/2013 10:00 AM, Ron Haraseth wrote:   So what s the down side?  At least you get to go for a ride and the oil  flow out a little quicker.  Reminds me, I need to change the oil in the truck and Jeep.   [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 10:48 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ?     Hi old friends and new,   Been away for a while trust all is well.   Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ?   Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

[RobertWichert]

Sometimes it's so hot, I drop the plug into the drain pan. I guess I'm a wimp. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 11/25/2013 11:10 AM, mark ward wrote:

Time is Time If above 50+-dig. Either wait a few extra minutes for cool oil to flow from THE PAN. OR WAIT for the Hot stuff to flow TO THE PAN FROM THE WHOLE ENGINE AND CLUTCHS You just put it ALL BACK INTO. Personally I feel, The EXTRA STUFF, sitting in the bottom of the pan, removes better when the oil is hot and moving faster. SO every few changes, AFTER Original draining AND letting it sit and drain an EXTRA 20+- minutes, ... I put the plug back in finger "tight", AND Dump in a fresh quart to FLUSH / RINCE what was sitting in the bottom of the pan. [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert robert@... [b]To:[/b] Ron Haraseth rharaseth@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ? Burns your hands... Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 11/25/2013 10:00 AM, Ron Haraseth wrote: So what s the down side? At least you get to go for a ride and the oil flow out a little quicker. Reminds me, I need to change the oil in the truck and Jeep. [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 10:48 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ? Hi old friends and new, Been away for a while trust all is well. Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ? Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

[GMac999]

LOL Been there done that. I wait a while, use nitril gloves and keep a couple rags close by. One rag on the floor to catch the drain plug as I m dropping it from the heat and the others to wipe off the oil quickly and clean up the floor if I miss the rag with the drain plug.

 

GregM

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]RobertWichert [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 1:33 PM [b]To:[/b] mark ward; Ron Haraseth; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ?

 

Sometimes it's so hot, I drop the plug into the drain pan.  I guess I'm a wimp.

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068              ===============================================On 11/25/2013 11:10 AM, mark ward wrote:

 

Time is Time

 

If above 50+-dig.

 

Either wait a few extra minutes for cool oil to flow from THE PAN.

 

OR

 

WAIT for the Hot stuff to flow TO THE PAN FROM THE WHOLE ENGINE AND CLUTCHS You just put it ALL BACK INTO.

 

Personally I feel, The EXTRA STUFF, sitting in the bottom of the pan, removes better when the oil is hot and moving faster.

 

SO every few changes, AFTER Original draining AND letting it sit and drain an EXTRA 20+- minutes, ...

I put the plug back in finger "tight", AND Dump in a  fresh quart to FLUSH / RINCE what was sitting in the bottom of the pan.

[b]From:[/b] RobertWichert robert@... [b]To:[/b] Ron Haraseth rharaseth@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ?

 

Burns your hands...

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068              ===============================================On 11/25/2013 10:00 AM, Ron Haraseth wrote:

 

So what s the down side?  At least you get to go for a ride and the oil  flow out a little quicker. 

Reminds me, I need to change the oil in the truck and Jeep.

 

[b]From:[/b] bSwider@...

[b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 10:48 AM

[b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com

[b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ?

 

 

Hi old friends and new,

 

Been away for a while trust all is well.

 

Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ?

 

Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

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[Andy Walling]

Anyone ever used compressed air or a vacuum's blowing function (through a rag or piece of foam to filter of course) to knock out the last of the oil? Ive done it a few times now (on my car and truck, not yet the bike) and have been amazed at how much more comes out, even after letting it drip for a LONG time. -Andy

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:32 AM, RobertWichert wrote: [u][/u] Sometimes it's so hot, I drop the plug into the drain pan. I guess I'm a wimp. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 11/25/2013 11:10 AM, mark ward wrote: Time is Time If above 50+-dig. Either wait a few extra minutes for cool oil to flow from THE PAN. OR WAIT for the Hot stuff to flow TO THE PAN FROM THE WHOLE ENGINE AND CLUTCHS You just put it ALL BACK INTO. Personally I feel, The EXTRA STUFF, sitting in the bottom of the pan, removes better when the oil is hot and moving faster. SO every few changes, AFTER Original draining AND letting it sit and drain an EXTRA 20+- minutes, ... I put the plug back in finger "tight", AND Dump in a fresh quart to FLUSH / RINCE what was sitting in the bottom of the pan. [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert robert@... [b]To:[/b] Ron Haraseth rharaseth@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ? [u][/u] Burns your hands...[u][/u] [u][/u] [u][/u] Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 11/25/2013 10:00 AM, Ron Haraseth wrote:[u][/u] So what s the down side? At least you get to go for a ride and the oil flow out a little quicker. Reminds me, I need to change the oil in the truck and Jeep. [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 10:48 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ? Hi old friends and new, Been away for a while trust all is well. Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ? Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

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[John Biccum]

Yes I do the same thing.  Another trick is to use vacuum at the filler neck to allow removal of the drain plug without oil coming out.  That latter trick is a oil saver if you install the drain plug without a washer and need to correct your mistake without dumping the clean oil out. From: dakyone@... Sent: 11/ 25/ 2013 12:54 To: robert@... Cc: nomad59@...; rharaseth@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ?   Anyone ever used compressed air or a vacuum's blowing function (through a rag or piece of foam to filter of course) to knock out the last of the oil?  Ive done it a few times now (on my car and truck, not yet the bike) and have been amazed at how much more comes out, even after letting it drip for a LONG time. -Andy

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:32 AM, RobertWichert wrote: [u][/u]  

Sometimes it's so hot, I drop the plug into the drain pan.  I guess I'm a wimp. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 11/25/2013 11:10 AM, mark ward wrote:   Time is Time   If above 50+-dig.   Either wait a few extra minutes for cool oil to flow from THE PAN.   OR   WAIT for the Hot stuff to flow TO THE PAN FROM THE WHOLE ENGINE AND CLUTCHS You just put it ALL BACK INTO.   Personally I feel, The EXTRA STUFF, sitting in the bottom of the pan, removes better when the oil is hot and moving faster.   SO every few changes, AFTER Original draining AND letting it sit and drain an EXTRA 20+- minutes, ... I put the plug back in finger "tight", AND Dump in a  fresh quart to FLUSH / RINCE what was sitting in the bottom of the pan. [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert robert@... [b]To:[/b] Ron Haraseth rharaseth@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Oil Cold ? [u][/u]   Burns your hands...[u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX

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[Lee Dodge]

Certainly draining hot oil removes more contaminants then cold oil.  I think that all oil companies recommend that.

Some time ago I saved a posting I found on a European bike chat room where a guy posed a question about a recommendation  that dealt with a very similar question like e.g. "I talked to a Harley Guy . . he said ______ ..   The response was blunt and harsh but here it is: "..those are the guys who don't use the front for fear of being thrown over the bars, who believe loud pipes save lives, and think competitive event is spinning up an unloaded rear wheel on a 'stand still' bike to make a cloud of tire smoke, and think a motor who's architecture was designed in 1935, gives them credibility on technical motor issues, and who use 1/8 mile drag numbers to prove how hot their bikes are."  Attitude is no substitute for knowledge.  In my experience I've known 2 exceptionally informed HD riders but it's rare and the posers vastly outnumber them. You'll get far better information on this forum.Lee

[roncriswell@ymail.com]

Lee God bless you. I bet you ride in full protective gear and don't care if your bike doesn't sparkle. That said, wouldn't mind making a street tracker with a 1200 Sportster. I talk with a lot Harley guys at a local breastrant I hang out at. They love them and swear by them for cruising type riding. Problem with me is the naked riding style they love and the company seems to encourage. As one who has had 4 street crashes that could have been fatal, I feel this is just ludicrous....but....what do you say to a lady that wants to ride....near naked. Criswell Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Lee Dodge wrote:

 

Certainly draining hot oil removes more contaminants then cold oil.  I think that all oil companies recommend that.

Some time ago I saved a posting I found on a European bike chat room where a guy posed a question about a recommendation  that dealt with a very similar question like e.g. "I talked to a Harley Guy . . he said ______ ..   The response was blunt and harsh but here it is: "..those are the guys who don't use the front for fear of being thrown over the bars, who believe loud pipes save lives, and think competitive event is spinning up an unloaded rear wheel on a 'stand still' bike to make a cloud of tire smoke, and think a motor who's architecture was designed in 1935, gives them credibility on technical motor issues, and who use 1/8 mile drag numbers to prove how hot their bikes are."  Attitude is no substitute for knowledge.  In my experience I've known 2 exceptionally informed HD riders but it's rare and the posers vastly outnumber them. You'll get far better information on this forum.Lee