moab day 4

[achesley43@ymail.com]

Poooo Yiii, Back in the '50's, we just called them all Bikes or Scooter or Rides. I can't remember singling any one brand out. Course, the main stay then was Harley or Triumph or BSA with an occasional Sears Alstate or MWard bike or Cushman thrown in the mix. We rode them anywhere we could and even play raced them. Ever see a Cushman on a Scrambles Track or a Flat Track? I have and have rode them there. Even though my scooter at the time was a 500 Triumph, my first BIG BIKE. LOL. Then came Crusiers, Sportbikes, Sport Touring, Dual Sport, Adventure, Touring. Each with their little groups. Not to mention the Trikes and Sidecar rigs. Really gets my mind to spinning.

[ron criswell]

Andy, I can't imagine a Cushman on a scramble track with a jump as a local one here did with its Stone Age suspension. I had a crappy Cushman Highlander that was more stone age. Dad figured it was safe compared to real motorcycles that he considered to be dangerous. Mine would go just fast enough to kill you and stopping with that one crappy rear brake was....exciting. The single candle power headlight made you want to stay indoors at night. I wanted a Harley Hummer or Super 10 but I did graduate to a much better Vespa which I completely destroyed in 18 months. Lambettas were even better scooters. I bet you had some Parillas, NSU's, and Mustangs roaming about also? Cushman Eagles did sound good with the baffle pulled out (sorry quiet lovers....it was the fifties and early sixties). Didn't Triumph have to race those 500's with the 750 side valve Harley's (according to the AMA Harley rule book)? Those were the days, not a care in the world or a helmet to be seen. We also discovered how to push start the Cushman Highlander with centrifical clutch. Jam Popsicle sticks into the clutch (very strategically), get 3 strong backs to lift the rear end and go running down a hill, drop the rear spitting Popsicle sticks and hopefully (prayer helped)....chug, chug-it might fire. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2013, at 7:22 AM, "achesley43@..." wrote: > Poooo Yiii, > Back in the '50's, we just called them all Bikes or Scooter or Rides. I can't remember singling any one brand out. Course, the main stay then was Harley or Triumph or BSA with an occasional Sears Alstate or MWard bike or Cushman thrown in the mix. We rode them anywhere we could and even play raced them. Ever see a Cushman on a Scrambles Track or a Flat Track? I have and have rode them there. Even though my scooter at the time was a 500 Triumph, my first BIG BIKE. LOL. > Then came Crusiers, Sportbikes, Sport Touring, Dual Sport, Adventure, Touring. Each with their little groups. Not to mention the Trikes and Sidecar rigs. Really gets my mind to spinning. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Desert Datsuns]

What has always bugged me, are people who only ride one kind of bike, and refuse to ride anything else. They think it's beneath them to ride anything else. Yet they have the gall to call themselves "bikers". In my mind, a biker is a person who likes riding, period. A real biker would be someone who doesn't care what kind of bike they're on, as long as it gives them the satisfaction of riding. I've ridden everything from Harleys, to 80cc scooters, to crotch rockets, to MX bikes. They all give me the freedom of riding. I ride because I love the feeling, not because I think my bike makes me cool. I ride because I enjoy it, not because I need a status symbol. Ryan Phoenix, AZ Graeme wrote:

> > > Well as I own a 650C5 a 600B1 and a 250D11 ... I generally refer to them > by the cubic capacity on KLR sites > > TTFN > > Scouse > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , > Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > I have two bikes. I refer to the KLR as "Big Ugly." I sometimes refer > to it as the KLR to distinguish it from the DL. > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark ward" > > To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:25:02 PM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever noticed The "Cliquey" SNOBBY groups, Like Harley > riders, Porsche > > Corvette, Etc. Never Call there cars or bikes just that? > > > > It's a Harley NOT a bike, or Motorcycle, A Corvette is Never a Vet,, > And a Porsche, ends with an A. (Porsch-a) > > > > Then there's The KLR, Or KLR650. > > > > I noticed when I E, a topic, on a web site that is DEDICATED TO > KLR650'S I (we) still make sure to say, My "KLR" Not My 650, or > Dual-sport, or Bike OR even Motorcycle. > > > > So I guese what I am saying is WE ARE AS SNOBBY, as the "Harley" folk. > > > > But at lease WE!!! have Good reason to be. LOL > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5786 - Release Date: 04/30/13 >

[achesley43@ymail.com]

Ron, What days it was in the motorcycle scene back then. The Mongomery Ward bikes were rebadged Parillas. I had two 105 Riversides , as they called them. The Sears was rebadged Puchs. Yes on the jaming the clutch on the Cushman. LOL! My first over done wheelie was on a Mustang , If front of a crowd of girls of course. LOL. Only One NSU locally here which a friend bought after selling his Harley 165. Which is a bike that was my 1st motorcycle in '58. Also had a friend I rode with that had a Hummer 125. Lots of fun together. But, I did run the 165 till the crank broke then picked up a 175 Alstate ( puch ) and run it till I bought the '59 5TA in '60. Yes, Gary Nixon won two championships running the 500 again the Harley KH 750 of the day. I also saw Ariel Square 4, Indian chief and of all things, a tank shift /foot clutch FL74 run on that same Bayou Ramble Scramble track in Lake Charles, La. in the late 50's. Interstate 10 took all that land after I went to the Crops in late '61. What times to ponder on.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Andy, I can't imagine a Cushman on a scramble track with a jump as a local one here did with its Stone Age suspension. I had a crappy Cushman Highlander that was more stone age. Dad figured it was safe compared to real motorcycles that he considered to be dangerous. Mine would go just fast enough to kill you and stopping with that one crappy rear brake was....exciting. The single candle power headlight made you want to stay indoors at night. I wanted a Harley Hummer or Super 10 but I did graduate to a much better Vespa which I completely destroyed in 18 months. Lambettas were even better scooters. I bet you had some Parillas, NSU's, and Mustangs roaming about also? Cushman Eagles did sound good with the baffle pulled out (sorry quiet lovers....it was the fifties and early sixties). Didn't Triumph have to race those 500's with the 750 side valve Harley's (according to the AMA Harley rule book)? Those were the days, not a care in the world or a helmet to be seen. We also discovered how to push start the Cushman Highlander with centrifical clutch. Jam Popsicle sticks into the clutch (very strategically), get 3 strong backs to lift the rear end and go running down a hill, drop the rear spitting Popsicle sticks and hopefully (prayer helped)....chug, chug-it might fire. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 7:22 AM, "achesley43@..." wrote: > > > Poooo Yiii, > > Back in the '50's, we just called them all Bikes or Scooter or Rides. I can't remember singling any one brand out. Course, the main stay then was Harley or Triumph or BSA with an occasional Sears Alstate or MWard bike or Cushman thrown in the mix. We rode them anywhere we could and even play raced them. Ever see a Cushman on a Scrambles Track or a Flat Track? I have and have rode them there. Even though my scooter at the time was a 500 Triumph, my first BIG BIKE. LOL. > > Then came Crusiers, Sportbikes, Sport Touring, Dual Sport, Adventure, Touring. Each with their little groups. Not to mention the Trikes and Sidecar rigs. Really gets my mind to spinning. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Harry Seifert]

The Allstate 250 and 350 were rebadged Aermacchi horizontal 4s singles. It was almost impossible to get parts, even through Sears. Kinda like the Ducati singles of the day.

On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, achesley43@... wrote: > Ron, What days it was in the motorcycle scene back then. The Mongomery Ward bikes were rebadged Parillas. I had two 105 Riversides , as they called them. The Sears was rebadged Puchs. Yes on the jaming the clutch on the Cushman. LOL! My first over done wheelie was on a Mustang , If front of a crowd of girls of course. LOL. Only One NSU locally here which a friend bought after selling his Harley 165. Which is a bike that was my 1st motorcycle in '58. Also had a friend I rode with that had a Hummer 125. Lots of fun together. But, I did run the 165 till the crank broke then picked up a 175 Alstate ( puch ) and run it till I bought the '59 5TA in '60. Yes, Gary Nixon won two championships running the 500 again the Harley KH 750 of the day. > I also saw Ariel Square 4, Indian chief and of all things, a tank shift /foot clutch FL74 run on that same Bayou Ramble Scramble track in Lake Charles, La. in the late 50's. Interstate 10 took all that land after I went to the Crops in late '61. What times to ponder on. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: >> >> Andy, I can't imagine a Cushman on a scramble track with a jump as a local one here did with its Stone Age suspension. I had a crappy Cushman Highlander that was more stone age. Dad figured it was safe compared to real motorcycles that he considered to be dangerous. Mine would go just fast enough to kill you and stopping with that one crappy rear brake was....exciting. The single candle power headlight made you want to stay indoors at night. I wanted a Harley Hummer or Super 10 but I did graduate to a much better Vespa which I completely destroyed in 18 months. Lambettas were even better scooters. I bet you had some Parillas, NSU's, and Mustangs roaming about also? Cushman Eagles did sound good with the baffle pulled out (sorry quiet lovers....it was the fifties and early sixties). Didn't Triumph have to race those 500's with the 750 side valve Harley's (according to the AMA Harley rule book)? Those were the days, not a care in the world or a helmet to be seen. We also discovered how to push start the Cushman Highlander with centrifical clutch. Jam Popsicle sticks into the clutch (very strategically), get 3 strong backs to lift the rear end and go running down a hill, drop the rear spitting Popsicle sticks and hopefully (prayer helped)....chug, chug-it might fire. >> >> Criswell >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 30, 2013, at 7:22 AM, "achesley43@..." wrote: >> >>> Poooo Yiii, >>> Back in the '50's, we just called them all Bikes or Scooter or Rides. I can't remember singling any one brand out. Course, the main stay then was Harley or Triumph or BSA with an occasional Sears Alstate or MWard bike or Cushman thrown in the mix. We rode them anywhere we could and even play raced them. Ever see a Cushman on a Scrambles Track or a Flat Track? I have and have rode them there. Even though my scooter at the time was a 500 Triumph, my first BIG BIKE. LOL. >>> Then came Crusiers, Sportbikes, Sport Touring, Dual Sport, Adventure, Touring. Each with their little groups. Not to mention the Trikes and Sidecar rigs. Really gets my mind to spinning. >>> >>> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Jud]

As I recall it, the Aermacchis were badged as Harleys in this country. I think Wards had a Benelli horizontal single. Most of the Wards bikes were Benellis. Sears had a wide lineup of Puch 2-strokes, plus 106cc and 124cc 4-strokes by Gilera. I don't recall any larger-capacity 4-strokes from Sears. I had a 106 Gilera for a while. I made a copper head gasket for it in order to get it running, but it was a wonderful hard-running little bike. I was past 50 by the time I got a Sears/Puch split single, an old SGS250 which I still have. The split single is a very sweet and torquey power plant. Plus, I really like bikes with big chrome panels on the gas tank, like the CB77 Super hawk, the pre-1967 Puchs, the /5 toaster tank BMWs, etc. I used to think of myself as a BMW guy until I counted my bikes. I guess I am a Suzuki guy if the truth be told. But I have owned even more Jawas over the years, and even more Hondas. The jawas are interesting, but I think the Puchs and MZs are better bikes.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Harry Seifert wrote: > > The Allstate 250 and 350 were rebadged Aermacchi horizontal 4s singles. It was almost impossible to get parts, even through Sears. Kinda like the Ducati singles of the day. > On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, achesley43@... wrote: > > > Ron, What days it was in the motorcycle scene back then. The Mongomery Ward bikes were rebadged Parillas. I had two 105 Riversides , as they called them. The Sears was rebadged Puchs. Yes on the jaming the clutch on the Cushman. LOL! My first over done wheelie was on a Mustang , If front of a crowd of girls of course. LOL. Only One NSU locally here which a friend bought after selling his Harley 165. Which is a bike that was my 1st motorcycle in '58. Also had a friend I rode with that had a Hummer 125. Lots of fun together. But, I did run the 165 till the crank broke then picked up a 175 Alstate ( puch ) and run it till I bought the '59 5TA in '60. Yes, Gary Nixon won two championships running the 500 again the Harley KH 750 of the day. > > I also saw Ariel Square 4, Indian chief and of all things, a tank shift /foot clutch FL74 run on that same Bayou Ramble Scramble track in Lake Charles, La. in the late 50's. Interstate 10 took all that land after I went to the Crops in late '61. What times to ponder on. > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > >> > >> Andy, I can't imagine a Cushman on a scramble track with a jump as a local one here did with its Stone Age suspension. I had a crappy Cushman Highlander that was more stone age. Dad figured it was safe compared to real motorcycles that he considered to be dangerous. Mine would go just fast enough to kill you and stopping with that one crappy rear brake was....exciting. The single candle power headlight made you want to stay indoors at night. I wanted a Harley Hummer or Super 10 but I did graduate to a much better Vespa which I completely destroyed in 18 months. Lambettas were even better scooters. I bet you had some Parillas, NSU's, and Mustangs roaming about also? Cushman Eagles did sound good with the baffle pulled out (sorry quiet lovers....it was the fifties and early sixties). Didn't Triumph have to race those 500's with the 750 side valve Harley's (according to the AMA Harley rule book)? Those were the days, not a care in the world or a helmet to be seen. We also discovered how to push start the Cushman Highlander with centrifical clutch. Jam Popsicle sticks into the clutch (very strategically), get 3 strong backs to lift the rear end and go running down a hill, drop the rear spitting Popsicle sticks and hopefully (prayer helped)....chug, chug-it might fire. > >> > >> Criswell > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On Apr 30, 2013, at 7:22 AM, "achesley43@" wrote: > >> > >>> Poooo Yiii, > >>> Back in the '50's, we just called them all Bikes or Scooter or Rides. I can't remember singling any one brand out. Course, the main stay then was Harley or Triumph or BSA with an occasional Sears Alstate or MWard bike or Cushman thrown in the mix. We rode them anywhere we could and even play raced them. Ever see a Cushman on a Scrambles Track or a Flat Track? I have and have rode them there. Even though my scooter at the time was a 500 Triumph, my first BIG BIKE. LOL. > >>> Then came Crusiers, Sportbikes, Sport Touring, Dual Sport, Adventure, Touring. Each with their little groups. Not to mention the Trikes and Sidecar rigs. Really gets my mind to spinning. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Harry Seifert]

You are so right. Sorry about the bad info. How about the chrome and yellow tanks on the '74 Duc 450 Jupiter. It is my all-time favorite bike. In the 35 years that I have owned it, it has never taken more than two kicks on the rather odd kickstarter arrangement to get it running. I have one in my garage, the tank appears to have been chromed and then the yellow and black painted on.

On Apr 30, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Jud wrote: > As I recall it, the Aermacchis were badged as Harleys in this country. I think Wards had a Benelli horizontal single. Most of the Wards bikes were Benellis. Sears had a wide lineup of Puch 2-strokes, plus 106cc and 124cc 4-strokes by Gilera. I don't recall any larger-capacity 4-strokes from Sears. > > I had a 106 Gilera for a while. I made a copper head gasket for it in order to get it running, but it was a wonderful hard-running little bike. I was past 50 by the time I got a Sears/Puch split single, an old SGS250 which I still have. The split single is a very sweet and torquey power plant. Plus, I really like bikes with big chrome panels on the gas tank, like the CB77 Super hawk, the pre-1967 Puchs, the /5 toaster tank BMWs, etc. > > I used to think of myself as a BMW guy until I counted my bikes. I guess I am a Suzuki guy if the truth be told. But I have owned even more Jawas over the years, and even more Hondas. The jawas are interesting, but I think the Puchs and MZs are better bikes. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Harry Seifert wrote: >> >> The Allstate 250 and 350 were rebadged Aermacchi horizontal 4s singles. It was almost impossible to get parts, even through Sears. Kinda like the Ducati singles of the day. >> On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, achesley43@... wrote: >> >>> Ron, What days it was in the motorcycle scene back then. The Mongomery Ward bikes were rebadged Parillas. I had two 105 Riversides , as they called them. The Sears was rebadged Puchs. Yes on the jaming the clutch on the Cushman. LOL! My first over done wheelie was on a Mustang , If front of a crowd of girls of course. LOL. Only One NSU locally here which a friend bought after selling his Harley 165. Which is a bike that was my 1st motorcycle in '58. Also had a friend I rode with that had a Hummer 125. Lots of fun together. But, I did run the 165 till the crank broke then picked up a 175 Alstate ( puch ) and run it till I bought the '59 5TA in '60. Yes, Gary Nixon won two championships running the 500 again the Harley KH 750 of the day. >>> I also saw Ariel Square 4, Indian chief and of all things, a tank shift /foot clutch FL74 run on that same Bayou Ramble Scramble track in Lake Charles, La. in the late 50's. Interstate 10 took all that land after I went to the Crops in late '61. What times to ponder on. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: >>>> >>>> Andy, I can't imagine a Cushman on a scramble track with a jump as a local one here did with its Stone Age suspension. I had a crappy Cushman Highlander that was more stone age. Dad figured it was safe compared to real motorcycles that he considered to be dangerous. Mine would go just fast enough to kill you and stopping with that one crappy rear brake was....exciting. The single candle power headlight made you want to stay indoors at night. I wanted a Harley Hummer or Super 10 but I did graduate to a much better Vespa which I completely destroyed in 18 months. Lambettas were even better scooters. I bet you had some Parillas, NSU's, and Mustangs roaming about also? Cushman Eagles did sound good with the baffle pulled out (sorry quiet lovers....it was the fifties and early sixties). Didn't Triumph have to race those 500's with the 750 side valve Harley's (according to the AMA Harley rule book)? Those were the days, not a care in the world or a helmet to be seen. We also discovered how to push start the Cushman Highlander with centrifical clutch. Jam Popsicle sticks into the clutch (very strategically), get 3 strong backs to lift the rear end and go running down a hill, drop the rear spitting Popsicle sticks and hopefully (prayer helped)....chug, chug-it might fire. >>>> >>>> Criswell >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 7:22 AM, "achesley43@" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Poooo Yiii, >>>>> Back in the '50's, we just called them all Bikes or Scooter or Rides. I can't remember singling any one brand out. Course, the main stay then was Harley or Triumph or BSA with an occasional Sears Alstate or MWard bike or Cushman thrown in the mix. We rode them anywhere we could and even play raced them. Ever see a Cushman on a Scrambles Track or a Flat Track? I have and have rode them there. Even though my scooter at the time was a 500 Triumph, my first BIG BIKE. LOL. >>>>> Then came Crusiers, Sportbikes, Sport Touring, Dual Sport, Adventure, Touring. Each with their little groups. Not to mention the Trikes and Sidecar rigs. Really gets my mind to spinning. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com >>> Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >>> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>> Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Jud]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Harry Seifert wrote:

> > You are so right. Sorry about the bad info. How about the chrome and yellow tanks on the '74 Duc 450 Jupiter. It is my all-time favorite bike. In the 35 years that I have owned it, it has never taken more than two kicks on the rather odd kickstarter arrangement to get it running. I have one in my garage, the tank appears to have been chromed and then the yellow and black painted on.

That Jupiter is a nice bike. There are a couple of good ones here in town. I had a '74 Desmo Scrambler project bike. No chrome tank, but that lovely tower-drive camshaft. I sold it to a guy who sold it to a guy in Switzerland who spent 20,000 Euros restoring it. There are pics around here somewhere...

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "achesley43@..." wrote:

> Interstate 10 took all that land after I went to the Crops in late '61. What times to ponder on. >

Andy, Was that the Crops, or the 'Marine' Corps. AKA as the Crotch.... Semper Fi revmaaatin.

[ron criswell]

Marine Crops.......is that a fishing boat trip? Criswell Semper Fi Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:02 PM, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "achesley43@..." wrote: > > Interstate 10 took all that land after I went to the Crops in late '61. What times to ponder on. > > > > Andy, > Was that the Crops, or the 'Marine' Corps. > AKA as the Crotch.... > Semper Fi > revmaaatin. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]