moab day 4

[Jud]

In a way perhaps, but nothing like NSU, I think it was, who used a wholly separate second cylinder as a supercharger to cram mixture in at high pressures, making a lot of power, and even more noise. Nobody ever accused the twingles of making a whole lot of power. A good spread of torque and driveability are their forte.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > > > The split single wa two pistons arranged fore and aft, on a split connecting rod and a single combustion chamber. The rear cylinder was supposed to help charge the front one with fresh mixture. > > Hi Judd, > Conceptually, The second piston sounds like a 'low tech' super charger. > > revmaaatin. >

[Jud]

At the Babcock ranch, a legendary turn-of-the-century dirt biking venue, the rancher's BIL kept a Twin jet around for a few years. Lots of fun on the gravel roads, but no match for the Hodaka in the cedar draws.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, John Biccum wrote: > > As a kid in Alaska we could get a license for a motorcycle at 14 but were limited to 100cc. So the cool bike was the Yamaha 2-stroke Twin Jet at 99cc actual displacement. I rode Honda 4-stokes and was routinely smoked- pun intended- by my buddies. I can still hear the whine of that tiny twin at full song and can still smell its distinctive exhaust as they blew past me on the road. > > My Honda CL90 was never faster than the Twin Jets unless I chose the route: down the deer trail, past the skunk cabbage, skirting the swamp. I bet there is still Twin Jet detritus on that course. But the CL90 survived it all including a couple of total submersions. Just pull the plug and kick it until no more water shot out of the plug hole, reinstall the plug and ride it home. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ron Haraseth" > Sent: 5/ 1/ 2013 10:52 > To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > > The battle in my neighborhood was between the Honda 50/55s. My first bike > was Yamaha 65 - 4 speed w/manual clutch. No contest. We migrated to the > Honda 90s and me - Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. > Of course, the kids from up on "Pill Hill" road the big British > 4-strokes...not my crowd. > > Ron > > > > [The entire original message is not included.] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jud]

Bultaco made a dedicated 250 shorttracker, the Astro, named after the Astrodome, which was a big short track venue in its day. I had a couple of adventures on Bultacos, the most significant being an afternoon on a 250 Matador at the aforementioned Babcock ranch during rally week in 1993. Even though the thing was not carburating very well, it sure did handle, and opened my eyes to how much fun dirt biking could be. Then there was my roommate's Metralla in Berkeley in 1967. It was my ride for a memorable date with Bunny Bundschu one evening in Sonoma. Only crashed it once, and managed to get thrown out of Little Switzerland by some old guys who didn't think longhaired college kids should even attempt to polka. I barely resisted the temptation to use a college loan to buy the race-kitted version, like all the cool kids were doing. I also saw a very fast rotary-valve Kawasaki on the race track at Vacaville, the A7SS. It was a high-piped street scrambler, 250 or 350cc, I don't recall which. The guy was road racing it with the high braced handlebars; at the end of every straight he would sit up out of his crouch and jump from the passenger pegs to the regular ones so he could work the brake and shifter. He only got back in his crouch once he was up in top gear again. The bike was so fast, I was surprised I didn't see more of them, but it was soon eclipsed by the much better known 500cc H1 triple.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, roncriswell2@... wrote: > > I remember those Yamaha's. They were fast for their size.....as all 2 stroke Yamaha's seemed to be. Bultacos were also.....especially the Pursang. They kicked butt around here on shortrack. The 175 Brigstone twin was fast also. Didn't Kawasaki run rotary valve two strokes on some of theirs in the 70's? > Fast too. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 2, 2013, at 9:55 AM, John Biccum wrote: > > > As a kid in Alaska we could get a license for a motorcycle at 14 but were limited to 100cc. So the cool bike was the Yamaha 2-stroke Twin Jet at 99cc actual displacement. I rode Honda 4-stokes and was routinely smoked- pun intended- by my buddies. I can still hear the whine of that tiny twin at full song and can still smell its distinctive exhaust as they blew past me on the road. > > > > My Honda CL90 was never faster than the Twin Jets unless I chose the route: down the deer trail, past the skunk cabbage, skirting the swamp. I bet there is still Twin Jet detritus on that course. But the CL90 survived it all including a couple of total submersions. Just pull the plug and kick it until no more water shot out of the plug hole, reinstall the plug and ride it home. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Ron Haraseth" > > Sent: 5/ 1/ 2013 10:52 > > To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > > > > The battle in my neighborhood was between the Honda 50/55s. My first bike > > was Yamaha 65 - 4 speed w/manual clutch. No contest. We migrated to the > > Honda 90s and me - Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. > > Of course, the kids from up on "Pill Hill" road the big British > > 4-strokes...not my crowd. > > > > Ron > > > > [The entire original message is not included.] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Ron Haraseth]

I have a '68 Bultaco El Bandido 360 sitting in the garage. Snotty little thing. Gets going faster quicker than you can remember its a left shift, right brake! http://elbandidorestore.blogspot.com/ Ron -----Original Message----- From: Jud Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:39 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) Bultaco made a dedicated 250 shorttracker, the Astro, named after the Astrodome, which was a big short track venue in its day. I had a couple of adventures on Bultacos, the most significant being an afternoon on a 250 Matador at the aforementioned Babcock ranch during rally week in 1993. Even though the thing was not carburating very well, it sure did handle, and opened my eyes to how much fun dirt biking could be. Then there was my roommate's Metralla in Berkeley in 1967. It was my ride for a memorable date with Bunny Bundschu one evening in Sonoma. Only crashed it once, and managed to get thrown out of Little Switzerland by some old guys who didn't think longhaired college kids should even attempt to polka. I barely resisted the temptation to use a college loan to buy the race-kitted version, like all the cool kids were doing. I also saw a very fast rotary-valve Kawasaki on the race track at Vacaville, the A7SS. It was a high-piped street scrambler, 250 or 350cc, I don't recall which. The guy was road racing it with the high braced handlebars; at the end of every straight he would sit up out of his crouch and jump from the passenger pegs to the regular ones so he could work the brake and shifter. He only got back in his crouch once he was up in top gear again. The bike was so fast, I was surprised I didn't see more of them, but it was soon eclipsed by the much better known 500cc H1 triple.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, roncriswell2@... wrote: > > I remember those Yamaha's. They were fast for their size.....as all 2 stroke Yamaha's seemed to be. Bultacos were also.....especially the Pursang. They kicked butt around here on shortrack. The 175 Brigstone twin was fast also. Didn't Kawasaki run rotary valve two strokes on some of theirs in the 70's? > Fast too. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 2, 2013, at 9:55 AM, John Biccum wrote: > > > As a kid in Alaska we could get a license for a motorcycle at 14 but were limited to 100cc. So the cool bike was the Yamaha 2-stroke Twin Jet at 99cc actual displacement. I rode Honda 4-stokes and was routinely smoked- pun intended- by my buddies. I can still hear the whine of that tiny twin at full song and can still smell its distinctive exhaust as they blew past me on the road. > > > > My Honda CL90 was never faster than the Twin Jets unless I chose the route: down the deer trail, past the skunk cabbage, skirting the swamp. I bet there is still Twin Jet detritus on that course. But the CL90 survived it all including a couple of total submersions. Just pull the plug and kick it until no more water shot out of the plug hole, reinstall the plug and ride it home. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Ron Haraseth" > > Sent: 5/ 1/ 2013 10:52 > > To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > > > > The battle in my neighborhood was between the Honda 50/55s. My first bike > > was Yamaha 65 - 4 speed w/manual clutch. No contest. We migrated to the > > Honda 90s and me - Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. > > Of course, the kids from up on "Pill Hill" road the big British > > 4-strokes...not my crowd. > > > > Ron > > > > [The entire original message is not included.] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Monty]

Roger that Jud. Hodaka was the small / med bike king in my hood as well. Lusted after one, but never got it. <> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[D Critchley]

My non-KLR is a 1980 Yamaha DT175G. It goes on the back of my little 5th wheeler when we go anywhere. That little thing will go like a cut cat, and since it is old enough to smoke, I don't stay awake worrying about the ecological impact of the smoke stack at the back. This Summer I want to take a whole day and get back into 2-stroke ops. The 12 litre aux tank will ensure that gas is no problem. The longest day trip I have had on it was in BC, whilst on holidays, 352 km, not counting the ferry trip. A lot of fun though. Very interesting thread about the golden oldies. DC DC

On 02/05/2013 16:52, Ron Haraseth wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:39 PM > To:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) >

[RobertWichert]

Wow! What a beast! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 5/2/2013 3:52 PM, Ron Haraseth wrote: > > I have a '68 Bultaco El Bandido 360 sitting in the garage. Snotty > little thing. Gets going faster quicker than you can remember its a > left shift, right brake! > > http://elbandidorestore.blogspot.com/ > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:39 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > > Bultaco made a dedicated 250 shorttracker, the Astro, named after the > Astrodome, which was a big short track venue in its day. I had a > couple of adventures on Bultacos, the most significant being an > afternoon on a 250 Matador at the aforementioned Babcock ranch during > rally week in 1993. Even though the thing was not carburating very > well, it sure did handle, and opened my eyes to how much fun dirt > biking could be. > > Then there was my roommate's Metralla in Berkeley in 1967. It was my > ride for a memorable date with Bunny Bundschu one evening in Sonoma. > Only crashed it once, and managed to get thrown out of Little > Switzerland by some old guys who didn't think longhaired college kids > should even attempt to polka. I barely resisted the temptation to use > a college loan to buy the race-kitted version, like all the cool kids > were doing. > > I also saw a very fast rotary-valve Kawasaki on the race track at > Vacaville, the A7SS. It was a high-piped street scrambler, 250 or > 350cc, I don't recall which. The guy was road racing it with the high > braced handlebars; at the end of every straight he would sit up out of > his crouch and jump from the passenger pegs to the regular ones so he > could work the brake and shifter. He only got back in his crouch once > he was up in top gear again. The bike was so fast, I was surprised I > didn't see more of them, but it was soon eclipsed by the much better > known 500cc H1 triple. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , roncriswell2@... wrote: > > > > I remember those Yamaha's. They were fast for their size.....as all > 2 stroke Yamaha's seemed to be. Bultacos were also.....especially the > Pursang. They kicked butt around here on shortrack. The 175 Brigstone > twin was fast also. Didn't Kawasaki run rotary valve two strokes on > some of theirs in the 70's? > > Fast too. > > > > Criswell > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 2, 2013, at 9:55 AM, John Biccum wrote: > > > > > As a kid in Alaska we could get a license for a motorcycle at 14 > but were limited to 100cc. So the cool bike was the Yamaha 2-stroke > Twin Jet at 99cc actual displacement. I rode Honda 4-stokes and was > routinely smoked- pun intended- by my buddies. I can still hear the > whine of that tiny twin at full song and can still smell its > distinctive exhaust as they blew past me on the road. > > > > > > My Honda CL90 was never faster than the Twin Jets unless I chose > the route: down the deer trail, past the skunk cabbage, skirting the > swamp. I bet there is still Twin Jet detritus on that course. But the > CL90 survived it all including a couple of total submersions. Just > pull the plug and kick it until no more water shot out of the plug > hole, reinstall the plug and ride it home. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Ron Haraseth" > > > Sent: 5/ 1/ 2013 10:52 > > > To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > " DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > > > > > > The battle in my neighborhood was between the Honda 50/55s. My > first bike > > > was Yamaha 65 - 4 speed w/manual clutch. No contest. We migrated > to the > > > Honda 90s and me - Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. > > > Of course, the kids from up on "Pill Hill" road the big British > > > 4-strokes...not my crowd. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > [The entire original message is not included.] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[rharaseth]

DT175 Had one for several years. Great bike, easy to ride. Put my son on the tank and we were gone. Traded it in on a new KDX400, still with my son on the tank. I also have a Combat Wombat in the shed waiting for some restore. Ron --- Original Message --- From: "D Critchley" Sent: May 2, 2013 11:42 PM To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) My non-KLR is a 1980 Yamaha DT175G. It goes on the back of my little 5th wheeler when we go anywhere. That little thing will go like a cut cat, and since it is old enough to smoke, I don't stay awake worrying about the ecological impact of the smoke stack at the back. This Summer I want to take a whole day and get back into 2-stroke ops. The 12 litre aux tank will ensure that gas is no problem. The longest day trip I have had on it was in BC, whilst on holidays, 352 km, not counting the ferry trip. A lot of fun though. Very interesting thread about the golden oldies. DC DC

On 02/05/2013 16:52, Ron Haraseth wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:39 PM > To:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links

[Jeff Khoury]

My first bike was its little brother, a 1980 DT125. Please tell me it's blue-and-white, and if it is... what would you let it go for? -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: rharaseth@... To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 7:34:01 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) DT175 Had one for several years. Great bike, easy to ride. Put my son on the tank and we were gone. Traded it in on a new KDX400, still with my son on the tank. I also have a Combat Wombat in the shed waiting for some restore. Ron --- Original Message --- From: "D Critchley" < pentax@... > Sent: May 2, 2013 11:42 PM To: "List KLR" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) My non-KLR is a 1980 Yamaha DT175G. It goes on the back of my little 5th wheeler when we go anywhere. That little thing will go like a cut cat, and since it is old enough to smoke, I don't stay awake worrying about the ecological impact of the smoke stack at the back. This Summer I want to take a whole day and get back into 2-stroke ops. The 12 litre aux tank will ensure that gas is no problem. The longest day trip I have had on it was in BC, whilst on holidays, 352 km, not counting the ferry trip. A lot of fun though. Very interesting thread about the golden oldies. DC DC On 02/05/2013 16:52, Ron Haraseth wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:39 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo ! Groups Links

[John Biccum]

Mark and I rode east out of Moab into the La Sal Mountains. We took the twisty paved Mountain Loop Road, making a brief detour to see Oowah Lake. We stayed on the Mountain Loop Road until picking up Castleton-Gateway Road. Gateway, CO was only 20 miles away when we entered Polar Mesa, a sandy plateau marked by old mining camps. From Polar Mesa we picked up the Kokopelli Trail which descended rapidly into a valley. After running along the valley floor for a mile or two we climbed out on a beautiful twisty road that ran along a ridge top. That ridge top road became the Onion Creek Road, which ran alongside- surprise- Onion Creek. The creek crossed and re-crossed the road giving us a dozen or so easy water crossings, just enough splash to cool us a bit. The final descent on Onion Creek Road took us though a scenic canyon ending on state Highway 128, twenty miles east of Moab. Pics begin here: http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Moab-2013/29552794_RL3Lsd#!i=25333 35305 http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Moab-2013/29552794_RL3Lsd#!i=2533 335305&k=62M5ZrB> &k=62M5ZrB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]