my gas tank sucks now ky nklr

[RobertWichert]

I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking or blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? This really sucks. The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I could have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the tank? Thanks for thinking about this. -- Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

[Jeff Saline]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:15:31 -0700 RobertWichert writes:

> I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was > making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking > or > blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. > > Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? > > This really sucks. > > The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. > > I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I > could > have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the > tank? > > Thanks for thinking about this. > -- > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 >

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Robert, My guess is the fuel tank cap vent system isn't working correctly. I'm hearing more and more reports about this in the last two weeks or so. Check out this thread to learn how to inspect and clean the system. You will probably have to register to view the thread. http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101547 Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51787b0ca991b7b0c7846st03vuc

[Fred Hink]

This is not a new problem and more than likely your gas cap vent just needs cleaning. I d try compressed air first before removing all the little pieces inside your cap. Blow it out and you should see lots of dirt. If this doesn t fix your problem, then you will have to disassemble your cap to clean out the check valves. Be careful not to loose any of the small springs or ball bearings there. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:15 PM To: klr Subject: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking or blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? This really sucks. The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I could have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the tank? Thanks for thinking about this. -- Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ron Haraseth]

I'm really deflated now! And all this time I thought the old girl was just sweet talking to me after a good ride! Ron -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:43 PM To: klr ; RobertWichert Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks This is not a new problem and more than likely your gas cap vent just needs cleaning. I d try compressed air first before removing all the little pieces inside your cap. Blow it out and you should see lots of dirt. If this doesn t fix your problem, then you will have to disassemble your cap to clean out the check valves. Be careful not to loose any of the small springs or ball bearings there. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:15 PM To: klr Subject: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking or blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? This really sucks. The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I could have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the tank? Thanks for thinking about this. -- Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links

[RobertWichert]

Any clue on where to blow? Or just find a hole and blow? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/24/2013 5:43 PM, Fred Hink wrote: > > This is not a new problem and more than likely your gas cap vent just > needs cleaning. I d try compressed air first before removing all the > little pieces inside your cap. Blow it out and you should see lots of > dirt. If this doesn t fix your problem, then you will have to > disassemble your cap to clean out the check valves. Be careful not to > loose any of the small springs or ball bearings there. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:15 PM > To: klr > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks > > I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was > making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking or > blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. > > Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? > > This really sucks. > > The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. > > I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I could > have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the tank? > > Thanks for thinking about this. > > -- > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

I could let Bogdan answer this one but I think the Yahoo censors would have a field day. Any place that dirt can come in needs to be given a shot of compressed air. I m sure you will find dirt there. You could also give it a shot of Contact Cleaner to help break up any dirt buildup. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:40 PM To: Fred Hink Cc: klr Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks Any clue on where to blow? Or just find a hole and blow? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/24/2013 5:43 PM, Fred Hink wrote: This is not a new problem and more than likely your gas cap vent just needs cleaning. I d try compressed air first before removing all the little pieces inside your cap. Blow it out and you should see lots of dirt. If this doesn t fix your problem, then you will have to disassemble your cap to clean out the check valves. Be careful not to loose any of the small springs or ball bearings there. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:15 PM To: klr Subject: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking or blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? This really sucks. The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I could have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the tank? Thanks for thinking about this. -- Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

"Contact" cleaner. For those with "OLD SCHOOL" Minds. DO NOT use Carb cleaner, or break parts cleaner. There are Cleaners, like Contact Cleaner Or Sensor, Cleaner designed to Not HARM, The rubber ETC., ETC. seals. All at your local auto parts store, Many at Walmart, ETC. KY Jelly, Used as a Water based cleaner. In Appliance repair service, We used KY Jelly a lot on plastic and Teflon, ETC parts, (Many cloths Dryer wheel "bearings, are not metal & have Graphite coatings. & OIL's would Harm them.)

--- On Thu, 4/25/13, Fred Hink wrote: From: Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks To: "RobertWichert" Cc: "klr" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 3:11 AM I could let Bogdan answer this one but I think the Yahoo censors would have a field day. Any place that dirt can come in needs to be given a shot of compressed air. I m sure you will find dirt there. You could also give it a shot of Contact Cleaner to help break up any dirt buildup. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:40 PM To: Fred Hink Cc: klr Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks Any clue on where to blow? Or just find a hole and blow? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/24/2013 5:43 PM, Fred Hink wrote: This is not a new problem and more than likely your gas cap vent just needs cleaning. I d try compressed air first before removing all the little pieces inside your cap. Blow it out and you should see lots of dirt. If this doesn t fix your problem, then you will have to disassemble your cap to clean out the check valves. Be careful not to loose any of the small springs or ball bearings there. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:15 PM To: klr Subject: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking or blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? This really sucks. The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I could have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the tank? Thanks for thinking about this. -- Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

Mark you can use anything you like for cleaning. The reason this old school mind suggested Contact Cleaner is because it works well for cleaning. It dries almost instantly and the length of time any rubber is exposed to this chemical is very minimal. You have lumped Contact Cleaner and Break Cleaner together and these are very different chemicals. Brake Cleaner will attack rubber more aggressively than Contact Cleaner and should not be used to clean any rubber parts. If you want to be 100% safe with cleaning anything rubber, maybe you should only be using water or just air. I have used Contact Cleaner on all sorts of things to help clean them for 50 years and have never had any issues. Buy a whole boat load of cleaners, as they are all on the market. It s your money and you make your choices. Fred old school for a reason http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: mark ward Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:39 AM To: RobertWichert ; Fred Hink Cc: klr Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks "Contact" cleaner. For those with "OLD SCHOOL" Minds. DO NOT use Carb cleaner, or break parts cleaner. There are Cleaners, like Contact Cleaner Or Sensor, Cleaner designed to Not HARM, The rubber ETC., ETC. seals. All at your local auto parts store, Many at Walmart, ETC. KY Jelly, Used as a Water based cleaner. In Appliance repair service, We used KY Jelly a lot on plastic and Teflon, ETC parts, (Many cloths Dryer wheel "bearings, are not metal & have Graphite coatings. & OIL's would Harm them.)

--- On Thu, 4/25/13, Fred Hink wrote: From: Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks To: "RobertWichert" Cc: "klr" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 3:11 AM I could let Bogdan answer this one but I think the Yahoo censors would have a field day. Any place that dirt can come in needs to be given a shot of compressed air. I m sure you will find dirt there. You could also give it a shot of Contact Cleaner to help break up any dirt buildup. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:40 PM To: Fred Hink Cc: klr Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks Any clue on where to blow? Or just find a hole and blow? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/24/2013 5:43 PM, Fred Hink wrote: This is not a new problem and more than likely your gas cap vent just needs cleaning. I d try compressed air first before removing all the little pieces inside your cap. Blow it out and you should see lots of dirt. If this doesn t fix your problem, then you will have to disassemble your cap to clean out the check valves. Be careful not to loose any of the small springs or ball bearings there. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:15 PM To: klr Subject: [DSN_KLR650] My gas tank sucks I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking or blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? This really sucks. The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I could have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the tank? Thanks for thinking about this. -- Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

Wow! Thanks Jeff. That writeup is awesome. I'm not sure that I want to open up the cap though. That is more complicated than the carburetor! Amazing how much technology is packed into a gas cap. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/24/2013 5:37 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:15:31 -0700 RobertWichert > writes: >> I just stopped my bike in the driveway, and the gas filler cap was >> making sucking noises. I actually couldn't tell if it was sucking >> or >> blowing, but I have to assume it was sucking. >> >> Does anybody have an idea why it would suck like that? >> >> This really sucks. >> >> The tank was almost empty, as a matter of fact. >> >> I have had everything apart. Is there something obvious where I >> could >> have switched a hose or something to draw a constant vacuum on the >> tank? >> >> Thanks for thinking about this. >> -- >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C >> +1 916 966 9060 >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 >> > <><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><> > > Robert, > > My guess is the fuel tank cap vent system isn't working correctly. I'm > hearing more and more reports about this in the last two weeks or so. > > Check out this thread to learn how to inspect and clean the system. You > will probably have to register to view the thread. > > http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101547 > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > ____________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51787b0ca95b17b0c7845st03vuc > > >

[Jeff Saline]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:12:30 -0700 RobertWichert writes:

> Wow! > > Thanks Jeff. That writeup is awesome. I'm not sure that I want to > open > up the cap though. That is more complicated than the carburetor! > Amazing how much technology is packed into a gas cap. > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068

<><><><><><> <><><><><><> Robert, Open the cap. It will only take you about 30 minutes and I assure you it is actually easier than a CV Carb. And CV carbs are pretty easy. Just take your time and follow the pictorial. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51793ad7b39443ad76086st02vuc