wtb left fork reflector

[Eddie]

Hi all, If anyone has a reflector (amber) for sale to fit the left front fork on an 05' KLR, please let me know. Eddie

[SniperOne]

I downloaded this clip so I could slow it down to a few frames at a time. I concur with most of the causal factors from the list. A bit more specifically, these are some items I noted. We all know picking the right line is often the difference, and some of us may have picked a different one. This rider seemed to square up the front wheel on the ledge as best he could, being committed at that point. I did notice that as the rear wheel hit the ledge the whole bike tipped slightly to the left, indicating it didn t strike as squarely as the front. There appeared to be a little application of throttle to correct this and it looked like he got square for a few feet. Then, it appeared his light front wheel started to wash with the bike tipping left and he turned the bars left to recover, which took him across the ditch down the middle. It also got the front off the ground (or almost) coming out the other side. With no weight on the front for a couple feet and his weight back on the seat, there wasn t enough dirt or time to turn it back up the road (though in fairness it looked like he was trying to). Lessons Learned (or relearned sometimes): It can pay big dividends to go back to the basics and actually set aside time to practice those basics. This is something every person on every ball team does, even at pro levels. Most of us want to just go ride because we ve been doing it for so many years we think its second nature (I ve been riding since I was 10), yet very few of us (apart from the pro racer group) actually go somewhere safe and only practice our skills. Recently I had been experiencing some of the same issues as this rider depicted regarding balance, being on the seat too much, weight transfer on the pegs, throttle control, etc while riding single track in the desert. I stopped riding and for 3 weekends I made a list of basic skills each Saturday morning, then went and practiced only those skills until I was comfortable I had everything just right. When I went back to the single track I found the relaxed smoothness Fred was talking about. For my next trip I m now thinking it s not a bad idea to spend 5 minutes each morning in the motel parking lot doing some low speed skill practice before jetting off to breakfast or horizon. Occasionally taking a class with one of the riding schools seems prudent also, the older I get SniperOne From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:55 AM To: dat brooklyn bum; RobertWichert Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out there--NKLR From his head and body movements I could tell that this guy was either nervous, excited or agitated. Stop, go, stop, go, jerk here jerk there. He was not smooth at all. You need to learn to relax. Being that far from home and on a trail that he most likely had never been on before, it a prime example of taking extra care to arrive alive. This wasn t the Alcan 5000 but a long distance endurance run where enjoying where you are should be more important and not letting the excitement dictate how you control your machine. He needed to learn to relax. Leaving his buddy in the dust could have proved to be fatal in his situation. Not waiting at an intersection to see that your friend knows where you went is a dumb novice mistake. He was more interested in taking his friends photo than traveling safely down the trail. He was too easily distracted. He used way too much throttle. His bike had too much weight (rearward) on it for the speed he was doing and the conditions of the trail and since he had most likely never been there before should have exercised more caution. Hind sight is always 20/20. The last rookie mistake I could see was as soon as he lost control of his front wheel, he should have been instantly off the throttle. That didn t happen and over the side he went. He is so lucky that getting his bell rang looks to be his only damages. I wonder if his friend ever came back. Climbing that hill at the speed he was going with the bike he had and it s weight combined with his nervousness and not letting off the throttle when it needed is what I believed to have caused this crash. He may also have been setting with his weight too far to the rear. It looks like he may have hit a bump harder than he wanted which moved him rearward which caused his arm to roll on more throttle which unloaded the front end and he lost control. We all learn from our mistakes but only 2400 miles is not very much experience. Control your machine at all costs. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:25 PM To: dat brooklyn bum Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out there--NKLR OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"? I could see evidence of being a bit lackadaisical (tired, wanting the ride to end, letting the bike go where it wanted to instead of guiding it (is that a rookie mistake?)). Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/18/2013 10:18 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the > conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he > should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely > tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus required > for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked away > from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I > think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" > > da Vermonster > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the > results. > > > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all > on their own. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > > To: revmaaatin ; klr > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out > there--NKLR > > > > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the > > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say > > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the > > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. > > > > Not going too fast. > > > > Not showboating. > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > > > Even better with the link. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > > m. > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > > the pig? DR650. > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

Good advice all. Being relaxed like Fred said is a good idea. Riding frequently I tougher terrain is a good idea.....but if you live where I do......places to ride are getting fewer. Fred has a lot of great places to practice. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:15 PM, "SniperOne" wrote: > I downloaded this clip so I could slow it down to a few frames at a time. I concur with most of the causal factors from the list. A bit more specifically, these are some items I noted. > > We all know picking the right line is often the difference, and some of us may have picked a different one. This rider seemed to square up the front wheel on the ledge as best he could, being committed at that point. I did notice that as the rear wheel hit the ledge the whole bike tipped slightly to the left, indicating it didn t strike as squarely as the front. There appeared to be a little application of throttle to correct this and it looked like he got square for a few feet. Then, it appeared his light front wheel started to wash with the bike tipping left and he turned the bars left to recover, which took him across the ditch down the middle. It also got the front off the ground (or almost) coming out the other side. With no weight on the front for a couple feet and his weight back on the seat, there wasn t enough dirt or time to turn it back up the road (though in fairness it looked like he was trying to). > > Lessons Learned (or relearned sometimes): > > It can pay big dividends to go back to the basics and actually set aside time to practice those basics. This is something every person on every ball team does, even at pro levels. Most of us want to just go ride because we ve been doing it for so many years we think its second nature (I ve been riding since I was 10), yet very few of us (apart from the pro racer group) actually go somewhere safe and only practice our skills. > > Recently I had been experiencing some of the same issues as this rider depicted regarding balance, being on the seat too much, weight transfer on the pegs, throttle control, etc while riding single track in the desert. I stopped riding and for 3 weekends I made a list of basic skills each Saturday morning, then went and practiced only those skills until I was comfortable I had everything just right. When I went back to the single track I found the relaxed smoothness Fred was talking about. > > For my next trip I m now thinking it s not a bad idea to spend 5 minutes each morning in the motel parking lot doing some low speed skill practice before jetting off to breakfast or horizon. Occasionally taking a class with one of the riding schools seems prudent also, the older I get > > SniperOne > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:55 AM > To: dat brooklyn bum; RobertWichert > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out there--NKLR > > From his head and body movements I could tell that this guy was either nervous, excited or agitated. Stop, go, stop, go, jerk here jerk there. He was not smooth at all. You need to learn to relax. Being that far from home and on a trail that he most likely had never been on before, it a prime example of taking extra care to arrive alive. This wasn t the Alcan 5000 but a long distance endurance run where enjoying where you are should be more important and not letting the excitement dictate how you control your machine. He needed to learn to relax. > > Leaving his buddy in the dust could have proved to be fatal in his situation. Not waiting at an intersection to see that your friend knows where you went is a dumb novice mistake. He was more interested in taking his friends photo than traveling safely down the trail. He was too easily distracted. He used way too much throttle. His bike had too much weight (rearward) on it for the speed he was doing and the conditions of the trail and since he had most likely never been there before should have exercised more caution. Hind sight is always 20/20. The last rookie mistake I could see was as soon as he lost control of his front wheel, he should have been instantly off the throttle. That didn t happen and over the side he went. He is so lucky that getting his bell rang looks to be his only damages. I wonder if his friend ever came back. > > Climbing that hill at the speed he was going with the bike he had and it s weight combined with his nervousness and not letting off the throttle when it needed is what I believed to have caused this crash. He may also have been setting with his weight too far to the rear. It looks like he may have hit a bump harder than he wanted which moved him rearward which caused his arm to roll on more throttle which unloaded the front end and he lost control. > > We all learn from our mistakes but only 2400 miles is not very much experience. Control your machine at all costs. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:25 PM > To: dat brooklyn bum > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out there--NKLR > > OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"? > > I could see evidence of being a bit lackadaisical (tired, wanting the > ride to end, letting the bike go where it wanted to instead of guiding > it (is that a rookie mistake?)). > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 4/18/2013 10:18 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > > > That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the > > conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he > > should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely > > tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus required > > for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked away > > from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I > > think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" > > > > da Vermonster > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the > > results. > > > > > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all > > on their own. > > > > > > Fred > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > > > To: revmaaatin ; klr > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out > > there--NKLR > > > > > > > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the > > > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say > > > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the > > > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. > > > > > > Not going too fast. > > > > > > Not showboating. > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > > > > > Even better with the link. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > > > m. > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > > > the pig? 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[revmaaatin]

Yep. there should be two T-shirts. One for the master and one for the grasshopper. One caveat: You have to come to the Chromed Holy City of August to get it.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "dat brooklyn bum" wrote: > > Number one lesson there is cover the clutch and the front brake (and the rear brake in these situations). Then as soon as the squirrels get under your wheels you can react quickly. He only two seconds from the time the front the wheel went awry to the time it went over the cliff. If you ain't covering your levers (and you can see he wasn't), you're not gonna be able stop that. > > Aside from that, it's really hard to say without being there in terms of line selection, attack speed, etc. > > Sometimes things just go bad and you brace for impact. . . Howzabout that for a t-shirt, Rev? > > da Vermonster > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > > > OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"? > > > > I could see evidence of being a bit lackadaisical (tired, wanting the > > ride to end, letting the bike go where it wanted to instead of guiding > > it (is that a rookie mistake?)). > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 4/18/2013 10:18 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > > > > > That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the > > > conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he > > > should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely > > > tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus required > > > for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked away > > > from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I > > > think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" > > > > > > da Vermonster > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > > > > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the > > > results. > > > > > > > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all > > > on their own. > > > > > > > > Fred > > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > > > > To: revmaaatin ; klr > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out > > > there--NKLR > > > > > > > > > > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the > > > > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say > > > > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the > > > > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. > > > > > > > > Not going too fast. > > > > > > > > Not showboating. > > > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Even better with the link. > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > > > > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > > > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > > > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > > > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > > > > m. > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > > > > the pig? DR650. > > > > > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote:

> > OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"?

SNIP Two items come to mind: 1. Overdriving the conditions for the experience level 2. Loss of situational awareness. It has happened to 50% of us. The other 50% are liars. cough. revmaaatin.