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[Bogdan Swider]

I'll bet I'm pretty typical good at timely oil changes, ok with changing coolant and brake fluid. At the start of the recent fork oil thread, I got to thinking. I checked by records; sure enough I last poured in brake fluid at 35K miles when I installed Progressive springs and new seals. ( Please Gino, no comments calling me a pervert seal blower. ) I'm now at 79K miles working toward the big 80. Yesterday I did the change. Fred's succinct directions were useful as it's been a long time. ATF recommendations were interesting but I decided to to be conservative and go with Belray 10. A leftover pint bottle of vodka was the perfect vehicle to pour 12oz into said forks cleanly. I wonder who drank the vodka that used to be in there ? The old oil did not look bad dark but with a tinge of green remaining. Then again, I'm not sure what old fork oil should look like. When I picked up the Belray at Apex Sports, one of 3 mega-dealerships in Colorado Springs, the usual quorum of older riders was in session. One veteran Gold Wing rider was adamant that fluids were changed too often. He had 90K miles on his 9 year old Wing and he'd be dammed if he would change the brake fluid as it looked fine. What do you guys think of that ? Bogdan, who's now caught up on maintenance unless he's forgotten something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bogdan Swider]

I'll bet I'm pretty typical good at timely oil changes, ok with changing coolant and brake fluid. At the start of the recent fork oil thread, I got to thinking. I checked by records; sure enough I last poured in brake fluid at 35K miles when I installed Progressive springs and new seals. ( Please Gino, no comments calling me a pervert seal blower. ) I'm now at 79K miles working toward the big 80. Yesterday I did the change. Fred's succinct directions were useful as it's been a long time. ATF recommendations were interesting but I decided to to be conservative and go with Belray 10. A leftover pint bottle of vodka was the perfect vehicle to pour 12oz into said forks cleanly. I wonder who drank the vodka that used to be in there ? The old oil did not look bad dark but with a tinge of green remaining. Then again, I'm not sure what old fork oil should look like. When I picked up the Belray at Apex Sports, one of 3 mega-dealerships in Colorado Springs, the usual quorum of older riders was in session. One veteran Gold Wing rider was adamant that fluids were changed too often. He had 90K miles on his 9 year old Wing and he'd be dammed if he would change the brake fluid as it looked fine. What do you guys think of that ? Bogdan, who's now caught up on maintenance unless he's forgotten something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

I've always gone by the color on brake fluid. New fluid is almost clear, when it gets around the color of iced tea I think about replacing it. My KLR has 35,000 miles and it still looks healthy. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bogdan Swider" To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Bogdan Swider" Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:11:39 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fork Oil Mussing I'll bet I'm pretty typical good at timely oil changes, ok with changing coolant and brake fluid. At the start of the recent fork oil thread, I got to thinking. I checked by records; sure enough I last poured in brake fluid at 35K miles when I installed Progressive springs and new seals. ( Please Gino, no comments calling me a pervert seal blower. ) I'm now at 79K miles working toward the big 80. Yesterday I did the change. Fred's succinct directions were useful as it's been a long time. ATF recommendations were interesting but I decided to to be conservative and go with Belray 10. A leftover pint bottle of vodka was the perfect vehicle to pour 12oz into said forks cleanly. I wonder who drank the vodka that used to be in there ? The old oil did not look bad dark but with a tinge of green remaining. Then again, I'm not sure what old fork oil should look like. When I picked up the Belray at Apex Sports, one of 3 mega-dealerships in Colorado Springs, the usual quorum of older riders was in session. One veteran Gold Wing rider was adamant that fluids were changed too often. He had 90K miles on his 9 year old Wing and he'd be dammed if he would change the brake fluid as it looked fine. What do you guys think of that ? Bogdan, who's now caught up on maintenance unless he's forgotten something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links

[revmaaatin]

> > Bogdan, who's now caught up on maintenance unless he's forgotten something.

cough. If you are done with the maintenance, you should go change the gas. Takes about 300 miles. Did you know it is only 300 miles from the Springs to the Chromed Holy City of August? revmaaatin.

[Bogdan Swider]

Also ..one old Harley guy of the pre-yuppster generation opinioned that you never have to change fork oil. It's like the oil in your shock; there's no metal to metal contact. What's the rational on changing fork oil ? Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

There is if you never change your oil. The fork bushings have a teflon type of protection and if the oil becomes dirty will wear this teflon coating and cause the bushings to be metal to metal and loose. The oil in the forks and shock do several things besides damping the suspension. They lubricate the moving parts and help removing heat. Fork and shock oil will eventually become contaminated just like engine oil and needs to be changed periodically. If your seals are leaking this will allow rain or dirt inside the forks or shock and accelerate the contamination of your oil. When are you jetsetting to Spain with all your college nubiles? Wouldn't you rather spend your time in the "Chromed Holy City of August" with a half million fat, stinky, bald, fat guys and The Rev? Just asking, Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: Bogdan Swider Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:16 AM To: Bogdan Swider ; List KLR Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fork Oil Mussing Also ..one old Harley guy of the pre-yuppster generation opinioned that you never have to change fork oil. It's like the oil in your shock; there's no metal to metal contact. What's the rational on changing fork oil ? Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links

[Bogdan Swider]

I've also thought that direct sun hitting the forks on a 100 degree day must have some effect on the oil inside. I'm off this coming Monday. Actually the Chromed Holy City of August sounds like fun. Bogdan

On 4/16/13 9:44 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: >There is if you never change your oil. The fork bushings have a teflon >type >of protection and if the oil becomes dirty will wear this teflon coating >and >cause the bushings to be metal to metal and loose. The oil in the forks >and >shock do several things besides damping the suspension. They lubricate >the >moving parts and help removing heat. Fork and shock oil will eventually >become contaminated just like engine oil and needs to be changed >periodically. If your seals are leaking this will allow rain or dirt >inside >the forks or shock and accelerate the contamination of your oil. > >When are you jetsetting to Spain with all your college nubiles? >Wouldn't you rather spend your time in the "Chromed Holy City of August" >with a half million fat, stinky, bald, fat guys and The Rev? > >Just asking, > >Fred >http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bogdan Swider >Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:16 AM >To: Bogdan Swider ; List KLR >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fork Oil Mussing > >Also ..one old Harley guy of the pre-yuppster generation opinioned >that >you never have to change fork oil. It's like the oil in your shock; >there's >no metal to metal contact. What's the rational on changing fork oil ? > >Bogdan > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------------------------ > >List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com >Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Members Map >https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f17322 >83bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! >Groups Links > > > > >

[revmaaatin]

Was there really as 'serious' question in there? grin. Of course he wants to be in the Chromed Holy City of August; he just is not going to kiss and tell. Which reminds me, Crizwell, we need a cartoon to the effect: CHC-A is a new H/D model that looks like a rag-muffin pig with lipstick, aka our beloved KLR. That T-shirt will sell like hotcakes to the correct community. revmaaatin. who is wataching the snow fall as we speak; 15 inches possible. sigh. we need the moisture, but still; sigh.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > There is if you never change your oil. The fork bushings have a teflon type > of protection and if the oil becomes dirty will wear this teflon coating and > cause the bushings to be metal to metal and loose. The oil in the forks and > shock do several things besides damping the suspension. They lubricate the > moving parts and help removing heat. Fork and shock oil will eventually > become contaminated just like engine oil and needs to be changed > periodically. If your seals are leaking this will allow rain or dirt inside > the forks or shock and accelerate the contamination of your oil. > > When are you jetsetting to Spain with all your college nubiles? > Wouldn't you rather spend your time in the "Chromed Holy City of August" > with a half million fat, stinky, bald, fat guys and The Rev? > > Just asking, > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bogdan Swider > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:16 AM > To: Bogdan Swider ; List KLR > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fork Oil Mussing > > Also ..one old Harley guy " of the pre-yuppster generation "opinioned that > you never have to change fork oil. It's like the oil in your shock; there's > no metal to metal contact. What's the rational on changing fork oil ? > > Bogdan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote:

> > Wouldn't you rather spend your time in the "Chromed Holy City of August" > with a half million fat, stinky, bald, fat guys and The Rev? > > Just asking, > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

ps. I still have my hair. grin. Now, If I can just find where I left my mind.

[Jeff Khoury]

I can hardly think of anywhere I'd rather not be than Sturgis in August. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "revmaaatin" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:42:31 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Fork Oil Mussing Was there really as 'serious' question in there? grin. Of course he wants to be in the Chromed Holy City of August; he just is not going to kiss and tell. Which reminds me, Crizwell, we need a cartoon to the effect: CHC-A is a new H/D model that looks like a rag-muffin pig with lipstick, aka our beloved KLR. That T-shirt will sell like hotcakes to the correct community. revmaaatin. who is wataching the snow fall as we speak; 15 inches possible. sigh. we need the moisture, but still; sigh. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > There is if you never change your oil. The fork bushings have a teflon type > of protection and if the oil becomes dirty will wear this teflon coating and > cause the bushings to be metal to metal and loose. The oil in the forks and > shock do several things besides damping the suspension. They lubricate the > moving parts and help removing heat. Fork and shock oil will eventually > become contaminated just like engine oil and needs to be changed > periodically. If your seals are leaking this will allow rain or dirt inside > the forks or shock and accelerate the contamination of your oil. > > When are you jetsetting to Spain with all your college nubiles? > Wouldn't you rather spend your time in the "Chromed Holy City of August" > with a half million fat, stinky, bald, fat guys and The Rev? > > Just asking, > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bogdan Swider > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:16 AM > To: Bogdan Swider ; List KLR > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fork Oil Mussing > > Also ..one old Harley guy " of the pre-yuppster generation "opinioned that > you never have to change fork oil. It's like the oil in your shock; there's > no metal to metal contact. What's the rational on changing fork oil ? > > Bogdan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo ! > Groups Links >