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I wanted to put my 2 cents in about the tuning on my 01 KLR, after break in I installed a dynojet kit per their instructions along with a Cobra pipe, the stock jet being a 148 and the new jet being a 150 the only real difference I could see happening maybe a little quicker response because of the adjustable needle, I rode this set up for about 600 miles in which time the Cobra pipe self destructed. After a phone call to Dennis Kirk I shipped it back and purchased a Supertrap IDS2 pipe. While the pipe was in transit I followed Mike's airbox mod instructions and cut the box and removed the screen, now running a 160 main jet, 12 disks in the trap, the adjustable needle up all the way and the pilot screw set out about 31/2 turns the bike makes power from about 2000 RPM's all the way to Redline. With a 16t front sprocket I didn't need to use any clutch to get the front wheel off the ground (a few inches), now that winter is here in NH I decided to put the 15t sprocket back on because I will probably be doing more dirt riding than street. I just came back from a ride, the headlight points at the sky with just a twist of the wrist. I did notice a big difference jumping from 8 disks to 12 in the higher RPM range insead of running out of steam at around 5 grand it puuls really hard.
BTW, after 5k the stock tires were replaced with Avon Gripsters, I don't really like them on the pavement (feel unpredictable) and they are terrible in the dirt.
John
01 KLR
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Ok here is the deal..
I wanted to tune my carb according to the instructions on
http://members.aol.com/roundr1/CVK40.html...
I was gonna start by the PILOT SYSTEM TUNING and after following all
the prep instructions when it came time to back the pilot screw, the
idle wouldn't slow at all. I allmost removed the screw. turned it out
more then 5-6 turns and nothing happens, idle is still 1300..
Anything else I should do before the Pilot System Tuning procedure??
Thanks
Raz
A8
www3.sympatico.ca/razb
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lower the idle by using the idle adjusting screw...then adjust the pilot screw to
detect change in the rpm's or just do like most of us and seat it and then back it
out 2 to 21/2 turns...
Kurt
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Subject: [DSN_klr650] CARB TUNING
Ok here is the deal..
I wanted to tune my carb according to the instructions on
http://members.aol.com/roundr1/CVK40.html...
I was gonna start by the PILOT SYSTEM TUNING and after following all
the prep instructions when it came time to back the pilot screw, the
idle wouldn't slow at all. I allmost removed the screw. turned it out
more then 5-6 turns and nothing happens, idle is still 1300..
Anything else I should do before the Pilot System Tuning procedure??
Thanks
Raz
A8
www3.sympatico.ca/razb
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Before I finally figured out my bike had a stator problem I thought it
was carb related and pulled the carbs many times.
I finally took it to a shop who "fixed" the carbs but clearly didn't
fix the hard starting problem. The bike is currently in this state of
tune.
When I was working on it, it would pop/backfire on the stand (rev to
3000rpm, release throttle). It doesn't do that now, but it does now
have a nice flat spot at around 4200rpm, most noticable when coming on
the gas.
These two data points seem to conflict as usually the popping is a
lean condition.
I previously (pre service) drilled out the pilot and set it 1/2 turn
further out than manual spec. No clue if the mechanic changed it, he
did adjust the float height.
Are there any pilot adjustment tools available? I know Sagebrush used
to make one but I'm not quite sure whats happened to Jake. Also,
there is the Thumb Pilot Needle but I'd heard mixed reviews and I
personally think the thumbwheel will make it harder to accurately
determine the position of the screw (compared to a wrench/screwdriver)
Anyways, now that I fixed the starting issues, I need to tune the
carbs. What would be recommend progression of tuning? Verify pilot is
1/2 turn further out, shim needle, drill slide, change main jet,
install jet kit. Lots of options at this point.
Thanks
Tony
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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Jones" wrote:
Grind about half the shank off an Apex bit. Stick it into a short length of 1/4" fuel line or epoxy it to the cap of a toothpaste tube.> Are there any pilot adjustment tools available?
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Tony Jones wrote:
Jake died awhile back. Al A13 Ia> > Are there any pilot adjustment tools available? I know Sagebrush used > to make one but I'm not quite sure whats happened to Jake. Also,
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I would leave the main jet alone, open up the pilot screw to 2 1/2 turns out, drill the slide to 1/8" and put a couple of washers under the needle. It might not be perfect but it will be a good starting point.
Tony Jones wrote: Before I finally figured out my bike had a stator problem I thought it
was carb related and pulled the carbs many times.
I finally took it to a shop who "fixed" the carbs but clearly didn't
fix the hard starting problem. The bike is currently in this state of
tune.
When I was working on it, it would pop/backfire on the stand (rev to
3000rpm, release throttle). It doesn't do that now, but it does now
have a nice flat spot at around 4200rpm, most noticable when coming on
the gas.
These two data points seem to conflict as usually the popping is a
lean condition.
I previously (pre service) drilled out the pilot and set it 1/2 turn
further out than manual spec. No clue if the mechanic changed it, he
did adjust the float height.
Are there any pilot adjustment tools available? I know Sagebrush used
to make one but I'm not quite sure whats happened to Jake. Also,
there is the Thumb Pilot Needle but I'd heard mixed reviews and I
personally think the thumbwheel will make it harder to accurately
determine the position of the screw (compared to a wrench/screwdriver)
Anyways, now that I fixed the starting issues, I need to tune the
carbs. What would be recommend progression of tuning? Verify pilot is
1/2 turn further out, shim needle, drill slide, change main jet,
install jet kit. Lots of options at this point.
Thanks
Tony
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Don't forget that the carb has a circuit that keeps it
from leaning out when you let off the throttle. Your
bike could be jetted right--or even too rich--and
still pop like mad if that circuit's little passagways
were clogged. If memory serves, you can access the
little diaphragm and gizmo that opens this passageway
by removing a small round cover on the left side of
the carb, but I'd check in the manual before I went at
it. I think it may be called a coasting enrichener???
I think Jake (sagebrush) passed away. Two options are
1. Get a short bolt of the appropriate thickness and
hold it to a grinder, lenthwise, so you turn the end
into a flat blade screwdriver. Dab a bit of paint on
one side to help gauge how far you've turned.
2. Get one of those little screwdriver tips from the
hardware store (like the ones that go in the end of a
multi-bit screwdriver) and epoxy it into a toothpaste
cap. Draw a verical line on the cap to help you see
how far you've turned.
Let us know if you drill your slide out without adding
a jet kit... I've been toying with the idea but don't
want to screw up a perfectly good slide.
-Luke
[SNIP]> When I was working on it, it would pop/backfire on > the stand (rev to > 3000rpm, release throttle). It doesn't do that now, > but it does now > have a nice flat spot at around 4200rpm, most > noticable when coming on > the gas. > These two data points seem to conflict as usually > the popping is a > lean condition.
__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com> Are there any pilot adjustment tools available? I > know Sagebrush used > to make one but I'm not quite sure whats happened to > Jake.
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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Alan L Henderson
wrote:
Jake is out blazing us some new trails... Godspeed !! I took a small screwdriver tip that fits a handle, using a dremel cut off all of the hex part except enough to hold on too, it fits up in and can be turned with the carb in proper position. Not as pretty but for the one or two times you use it, it works fine for me. Dooden A15 Green Ape> > Tony Jones wrote: > > > > Are there any pilot adjustment tools available? I know Sagebrush used > > to make one but I'm not quite sure whats happened to Jake. Also, > > > Jake died awhile back. > Al A13 Ia >
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Also,
The thumb needle doesn't seat as deeply as the stock screw; it won't shut off the engine when turned in all the way. However you can file a line in it and accurately determine where it's positioned. I tuned my pilot using the sweat spot method: Determine where the RPMs drop when turning in and then where they drop when turned out. The sweat spot is midway between.> there is the Thumb Pilot Needle but I'd heard mixed reviews and I > personally think the thumbwheel will make it harder to accurately > determine the position of the screw (compared to a wrench/screwdriver)
Based on my hands on experience and years of reading this list I believe the only practical option besides turning out the pilot is shimming the needle. If you don't care about a drastic decrease in MPGs try the other stuff. Bogdan> > Anyways, now that I fixed the starting issues, I need to tune the > carbs. What would be recommend progression of tuning? Verify pilot is > 1/2 turn further out, shim needle, drill slide, change main jet, > install jet kit. Lots of options at this point.
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