On 2/4/2013 10:06 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > > You will have to jet this carb for your particular application. > Mileage is effected negatively but this isn t why you would want this > carb in the first place. Your best EPA legal carb is the stock CVK. > > I am working to put this kit together and looks like the kit will be > around $200. They were selling for more that back in the White Bros. days. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: Ron Haraseth > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:20 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > This sounds interesting. Any specifics on the jetting/needle position? > How > is the mileage affected? > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM > To: RobertWichert > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make the > cable. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM > To: Fred Hink > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a 650 > > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. There > is no > > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or log at > > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR but > if you > > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > > operated carb is a weak link. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > Fred, > > > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide > > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > > > GregM > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Fred Hink > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > > Cc: KLR650 List > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK > carburetor > > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough > > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep > incline at > > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > > make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, > > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull > > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide > > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You > > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available > > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially > noticed at > > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like > > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model > KLR600 to > > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you > > don t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type > > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for > the KLR > > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > > To: Lee Dodge > > Cc: KLR650 List > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > > > But I'm broke. > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > >> > >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > >> site where > >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > >> another out of > >> England for @ 1200USD. > >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > >> non racing > >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, > >> so keep > >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > >> available, > >> they'll only cost you time. > >> Lee > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; > >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > >> > >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a > >> large > >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > >> > >> Bob 09 > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; > >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com > >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net > >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > >> > >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > >> If there > >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > >> Fred > >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > >> > >> > >> From: Jud > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > >> > >> > >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > >> , RobertWichert wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > >> compromise.... > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one > >> thing the > >> aftarmarket can't do. > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Members Map > > > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Lemme know, Fred. If it's all in one box, I could go that route.
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Skypilot
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$200 is easy. Will it work on a 08+ I would give anything for a lower first gear on this bike. lower first and second would be even better
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Haraseth wrote: > > $200 keeps me on interested list. I know the CVK handles altitude variables > well. How about the Mikuni? I ride from 2,000 to 8,000, but typically > between 3500 and 6500 feet. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:06 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; Ron Haraseth > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > You will have to jet this carb for your particular application. Mileage is > effected negatively but this isn t why you would want this carb in the first > place. Your best EPA legal carb is the stock CVK. > > I am working to put this kit together and looks like the kit will be around > $200. They were selling for more that back in the White Bros. days. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: Ron Haraseth > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:20 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > This sounds interesting. Any specifics on the jetting/needle position? How > is the mileage affected? > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM > To: RobertWichert > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make the cable. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM > To: Fred Hink > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a 650 > > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. There is no > > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or log at > > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR but if you > > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > > operated carb is a weak link. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > Fred, > > > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide > > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > > > GregM > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Fred Hink > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > > Cc: KLR650 List > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor > > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough > > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at > > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > > make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, > > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull > > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide > > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You > > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available > > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at > > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like > > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to > > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you > > don t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type > > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR > > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > > To: Lee Dodge > > Cc: KLR650 List > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > > > But I'm broke. > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > >> > >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > >> site where > >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > >> another out of > >> England for @ 1200USD. > >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > >> non racing > >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, > >> so keep > >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > >> available, > >> they'll only cost you time. > >> Lee > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; > >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > >> > >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a > >> large > >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > >> > >> Bob 09 > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; > >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com > >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net > >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > >> > >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > >> If there > >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > >> Fred > >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > >> > >> > >> From: Jud > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > >> > >> > >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > >> , RobertWichert wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > >> compromise.... > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one > >> thing the > >> aftarmarket can't do. > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Members Map > > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links >
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Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?)
I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll
never look back.
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On 2/4/2013 2:44 PM, Skypilot wrote: > > $200 is easy. Will it work on a 08+ I would give anything for a lower > first gear on this bike. lower first and second would be even better > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Ron Haraseth wrote: > > > > $200 keeps me on interested list. I know the CVK handles altitude > variables > > well. How about the Mikuni? I ride from 2,000 to 8,000, but typically > > between 3500 and 6500 feet. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fred Hink > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:06 AM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > ; Ron Haraseth > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > You will have to jet this carb for your particular application. > Mileage is > > effected negatively but this isn EUR^(TM)t why you would want this > carb in the first > > place. Your best EPA legal carb is the stock CVK. > > > > I am working to put this kit together and looks like the kit will be > around > > $200. They were selling for more that back in the White Bros. days. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: Ron Haraseth > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:20 AM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > This sounds interesting. Any specifics on the jetting/needle > position? How > > is the mileage affected? > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fred Hink > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM > > To: RobertWichert > > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make > the cable. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RobertWichert > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM > > To: Fred Hink > > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > > > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride > a 650 > > > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. > There is no > > > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or > log at > > > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > > > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > > > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR > but if you > > > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > > > operated carb is a weak link. > > > > > > Fred > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > > > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > > > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the > slide > > > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > > > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > > > > > GregM > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Fred Hink > > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > > > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > > > Cc: KLR650 List > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK > carburetor > > > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there > isn EUR^(TM)t enough > > > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep > incline at > > > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > > > make adequate torque but since the slide isn EUR^(TM)t opening > when you want it, > > > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a > direct pull > > > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a > wide > > > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > > > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > > > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > > > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable > priced. You > > > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still > available > > > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially > noticed at > > > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone > would like > > > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > > > > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model > KLR600 to > > > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive > and you > > > don EUR^(TM)t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > > > > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the > MX type > > > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for > the KLR > > > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > > > > > Fred > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > > > To: Lee Dodge > > > Cc: KLR650 List > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > > > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > > > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > > > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > > > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > > > > > But I'm broke. > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > > >> > > >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > > >> site where > > >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > > >> another out of > > >> England for @ 1200USD. > > >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > > >> non racing > > >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our > own, > > >> so keep > > >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > > >> available, > > >> they'll only cost you time. > > >> Lee > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > > > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; > > >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > > >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > >> > > >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear > with a > > >> large > > >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > > >> > > >> Bob 09 > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; > > >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com > > >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net > > >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > > >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > >> > > >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > > >> If there > > >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > > >> Fred > > >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Jud > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > >> > > >> > > >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > >> , RobertWichert wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > > >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > > >> compromise.... > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > > >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. 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Jeff Khoury
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//You'll never look back...//
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----- Original Message ----- From: "RobertWichert" To: "Skypilot" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 3:15:43 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?) I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll never look back. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 2/4/2013 2:44 PM, Skypilot wrote: > > $200 is easy. Will it work on a 08+ I would give anything for a lower > first gear on this bike. lower first and second would be even better > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Ron Haraseth wrote: > > > > $200 keeps me on interested list. I know the CVK handles altitude > variables > > well. How about the Mikuni? I ride from 2,000 to 8,000, but typically > > between 3500 and 6500 feet. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fred Hink > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:06 AM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > ; Ron Haraseth > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > You will have to jet this carb for your particular application. > Mileage is > > effected negatively but this isn EUR^(TM)t why you would want this > carb in the first > > place. Your best EPA legal carb is the stock CVK. > > > > I am working to put this kit together and looks like the kit will be > around > > $200. They were selling for more that back in the White Bros. days. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: Ron Haraseth > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:20 AM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > This sounds interesting. Any specifics on the jetting/needle > position? How > > is the mileage affected? > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fred Hink > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM > > To: RobertWichert > > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make > the cable. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RobertWichert > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM > > To: Fred Hink > > Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > > > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride > a 650 > > > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. > There is no > > > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or > log at > > > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > > > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > > > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR > but if you > > > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > > > operated carb is a weak link. > > > > > > Fred > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > > > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > > > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the > slide > > > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > > > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > > > > > GregM > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Fred Hink > > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > > > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > > > Cc: KLR650 List > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK > carburetor > > > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there > isn EUR^(TM)t enough > > > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep > incline at > > > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > > > make adequate torque but since the slide isn EUR^(TM)t opening > when you want it, > > > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a > direct pull > > > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a > wide > > > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > > > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > > > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > > > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable > priced. You > > > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still > available > > > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially > noticed at > > > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone > would like > > > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > > > > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model > KLR600 to > > > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive > and you > > > don EUR^(TM)t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > > > > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the > MX type > > > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for > the KLR > > > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > > > > > Fred > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > > > To: Lee Dodge > > > Cc: KLR650 List > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > > > > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > > > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > > > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > > > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > > > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > > > > > But I'm broke. > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > > >> > > >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > > >> site where > > >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > > >> another out of > > >> England for @ 1200USD. > > >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > > >> non racing > > >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our > own, > > >> so keep > > >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > > >> available, > > >> they'll only cost you time. > > >> Lee > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > > > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; > > >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > > >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > >> > > >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear > with a > > >> large > > >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > > >> > > >> Bob 09 > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; > > >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com > > >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net > > >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > > >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > >> > > >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > > >> If there > > >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > > >> Fred > > >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Jud > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > > >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > >> > > >> > > >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > >> , RobertWichert wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > > >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > > >> compromise.... > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > > >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one > > >> thing the > > >> aftarmarket can't do. > > >> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> > > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Members Map > > > > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo ! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Members Map > > > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo ! > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Members Map > > > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo ! > > > Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RobertWichert
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Yep, you got that right. Easiest wheelie on the block. No pull required.
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On 2/4/2013 3:32 PM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > //You'll never look back...// > > ...probably not after the whiplash the throttle will give you. /sarc.
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Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery
wide ratio gearsets
Oh but if it were that easy. The 3 days and 1000 miles the Roaming Rally will take me down includes some long stretches of gravel roads that you can crank on. You king of have to crank on them also or you get to the end of the day too late to enjoy it. I do some long rides on street too that need te higher gears. What I need is the first and second gears to be lower
From: RobertWichert [mailto:robert@...]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery)
Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets
Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?)
I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll never look back.
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Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery
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What is stock, 14? how much difference is a tooth added to the back compared to a tooth off the front? In other words how many teeth would I need to add to the rear to have the same affect as takign one from the front. I need my long haul top speed too and revving the KLR Engine high for extended times just makes it eat oil
BTW, My name is Chris. Skypilot was the alter ego I adopted when the whole internet thing was catching on. After some time in the military I went to work for the DOC in CT. Dept of Corrections. I worked in a maximum sec prison for years. When my kids came along I decided to keep the alter ego until they are off in the world as adults. I think I am far enough out of that life now that teh gang have forgotten their pathetic death threats but I will ride this out until my 13 year old is off to college. Then Chris Eckert is back and Skypilot can fade away
From: RobertWichert [mailto:robert@...]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery)
Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets
Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?)
I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll never look back.
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SniperOne
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1 tooth smaller on the front is roughly equal to 3 theeth larger on the rear.
I'm running 14 on front (1 tooth smaller than stock) and stock on the rear. It has served me well on most of the stuff around Moab, a few sections of the CDT, and does well enough on the highway - though I'd like to have fewer RPM at interstate speeds.
If I were dreaming I'd ask for the gears to be about where they are now with my 14 front, and add a 6th gear on top for the highway. I'd also ask for more power like from a big-bore kit for when I'm loaded heavy bucking a headwind on the superslab.
Hey, long as I'm wishing I may as well wish big...
Randy
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From: "Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery)"
Date: 02/04/2013 9:53 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: RobertWichert
Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets
What is stock, 14? how much difference is a tooth added to the back compared to a tooth off the front? In other words how many teeth would I need to add to the rear to have the same affect as takign one from the front. I need my long haul top speed too and revving the KLR Engine high for extended times just makes it eat oil
BTW, My name is Chris. Skypilot was the alter ego I adopted when the whole internet thing was catching on. After some time in the military I went to work for the DOC in CT. Dept of Corrections. I worked in a maximum sec prison for years. When my kids came along I decided to keep the alter ego until they are off in the world as adults. I think I am far enough out of that life now that teh gang have forgotten their pathetic death threats but I will ride this out until my 13 year old is off to college. Then Chris Eckert is back and Skypilot can fade away
From: RobertWichert [mailto:robert@...]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery)
Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets
Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?)
I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll never look back.
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RobertWichert
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Chris,
The advantage is that changing the front is a cinch. The back is a lot
harder. The 13 goes right on, like snap. No chain link changes or
anything.
And I am not kidding about it being smooth at 6,500 RPM. Anything over
5,500 is smooth as silk.
Oil? God made lots of oil. No huy problema.
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On 2/4/2013 8:53 PM, Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) wrote: > > What is stock, 14? how much difference is a tooth added to the back > compared to a tooth off the front? In other words how many teeth would > I need to add to the rear to have the same affect as takign one from > the front. I need my long haul top speed too and revving the KLR > Engine high for extended times just makes it eat oil > > BTW, My name is Chris. Skypilot was the alter ego I adopted when the > whole internet thing was catching on. After some time in the military > I went to work for the DOC in CT. Dept of Corrections. I worked in a > maximum sec prison for years. When my kids came along I decided to > keep the alter ego until they are off in the world as adults. I think > I am far enough out of that life now that teh gang have forgotten > their pathetic death threats but I will ride this out until my 13 year > old is off to college. Then Chris Eckert is back and Skypilot can fade > away > > From: RobertWichert [mailto:robert@... > ] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets > > Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?) > I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll > never look back. > > ************************************************************ > This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of > addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged > information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, > disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender > immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy > all copies. > ************************************************************ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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davharv
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I recall an old bike with two rear sprokets next to each other and you just popped on or off a small bit of chain to switch from high to low
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