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[Lee Dodge]

With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a site where you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found another out of England for @ 1200USD. Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many non racing off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, so keep a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very available, they'll only cost you time. Lee ________________________________ From: Bob K To: moabmc@...; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a large rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... Bob 09 ________________________________ To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; judjonzz@... From: moabmc@... Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. If there were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Jud Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, compromise.... > > -- This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one thing the aftarmarket can't do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. But I'm broke. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > > With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > site where > you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > another out of > England for @ 1200USD. > Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > non racing > off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, > so keep > a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > available, > they'll only cost you time. > Lee > > ________________________________ > From: Bob K cbrxx98@... > > To: moabmc@... ; > dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a > large > rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > > Bob 09 > > ________________________________ > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; > judjonzz@... > From: moabmc@... > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > If there > were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > From: Jud > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > compromise.... > > > > -- > > This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one > thing the > aftarmarket can't do. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you don t see the KLR600 much anymore. IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM To: Lee Dodge Cc: KLR650 List Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. But I'm broke. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > > With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > site where > you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > another out of > England for @ 1200USD. > Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > non racing > off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, > so keep > a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > available, > they'll only cost you time. > Lee > > ________________________________ > From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > > To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; > mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a > large > rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > > Bob 09 > > ________________________________ > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; > mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com > From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > If there > were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > From: Jud > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > compromise.... > > > > -- > > This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one > thing the > aftarmarket can't do. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[GMac999]

Fred, That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. GregM -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert Cc: KLR650 List Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you don t see the KLR600 much anymore. IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM To: Lee Dodge Cc: KLR650 List Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. But I'm broke. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > > With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > site where > you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > another out of > England for @ 1200USD. > Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > non racing > off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, > so keep > a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > available, > they'll only cost you time. > Lee > > ________________________________ > From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > > To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; > mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a > large > rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > > Bob 09 > > ________________________________ > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; > mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com > From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > If there > were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > From: Jud > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > compromise.... > > > > -- > > This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one > thing the > aftarmarket can't do. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links

[Fred Hink]

Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a 650 with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. There is no hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or log at an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR but if you are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum operated carb is a weak link. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' Cc: 'KLR650 List' Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets Fred, That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. GregM -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert Cc: KLR650 List Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you don t see the KLR600 much anymore. IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM To: Lee Dodge Cc: KLR650 List Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. But I'm broke. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: > > With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a > site where > you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found > another out of > England for @ 1200USD. > Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many > non racing > off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, > so keep > a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very > available, > they'll only cost you time. > Lee > > ________________________________ > From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > > To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; > mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a > large > rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... > > Bob 09 > > ________________________________ > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; > mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com > From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. > If there > were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > From: Jud > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a > > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, > compromise.... > > > > -- > > This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one > thing the > aftarmarket can't do. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links

[RobertWichert]

OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a > 650 with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. > There is no hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a > rock or log at an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to > catch up. A 650 single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is > killing this beast. The CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good > match for the KLR but if you are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very > slow speeds, this vacuum operated carb is a weak link. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > Fred, > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the > slide up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. > It doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > GregM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK > carburetor needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there > isn t enough vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a > steep incline at slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The > engine is able to make adequate torque but since the slide isn t > opening when you want it, it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. > Changing the carb to a direct pull type of carb makes all the > difference and I doubt you would need a wide ration or 6 speed > transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro carb kit for the > KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the throttle, cable and > everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to your KLR. Mikuni > still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You would have to > come up with the cable as the throttle is still available too. This > would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at trail > riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like to > experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 > to gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive > and you don t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX > type bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set > for the KLR and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Lee Dodge > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > But I'm broke. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: >> >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a >> site where >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found >> another out of >> England for @ 1200USD. >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many >> non racing >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, >> so keep >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very >> available, >> they'll only cost you time. >> Lee >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a >> large >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... >> >> Bob 09 >> >> ________________________________ >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. >> If there >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. >> Fred >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >> >> >> From: Jud >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> , RobertWichert wrote: >> > >> >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, >> compromise.... >> > >> > -- >> >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one >> thing the >> aftarmarket can't do. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > >

[Fred Hink]

Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make the cable. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM To: Fred Hink Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a 650 > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. There is no > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or log at > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR but if you > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > operated carb is a weak link. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > Fred, > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > GregM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you > don t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Lee Dodge > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > But I'm broke. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: >> >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a >> site where >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found >> another out of >> England for @ 1200USD. >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many >> non racing >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, >> so keep >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very >> available, >> they'll only cost you time. >> Lee >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a >> large >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... >> >> Bob 09 >> >> ________________________________ >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. >> If there >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. >> Fred >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >> >> >> From: Jud >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> , RobertWichert wrote: >> > >> >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, >> compromise.... >> > >> > -- >> >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one >> thing the >> aftarmarket can't do. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > >

[Ron Haraseth]

This sounds interesting. Any specifics on the jetting/needle position? How is the mileage affected? Ron -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM To: RobertWichert Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make the cable. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM To: Fred Hink Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a 650 > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. There is no > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or log at > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR but if you > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > operated carb is a weak link. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > Fred, > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > GregM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you > don t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Lee Dodge > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > But I'm broke. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: >> >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a >> site where >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found >> another out of >> England for @ 1200USD. >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many >> non racing >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, >> so keep >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very >> available, >> they'll only cost you time. >> Lee >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a >> large >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... >> >> Bob 09 >> >> ________________________________ >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. >> If there >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. >> Fred >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >> >> >> From: Jud >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> , RobertWichert wrote: >> > >> >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, >> compromise.... >> > >> > -- >> >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one >> thing the >> aftarmarket can't do. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! 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[Fred Hink]

You will have to jet this carb for your particular application. Mileage is effected negatively but this isn t why you would want this carb in the first place. Your best EPA legal carb is the stock CVK. I am working to put this kit together and looks like the kit will be around $200. They were selling for more that back in the White Bros. days. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Ron Haraseth Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:20 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets This sounds interesting. Any specifics on the jetting/needle position? How is the mileage affected? Ron -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM To: RobertWichert Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make the cable. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM To: Fred Hink Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a 650 > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. There is no > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or log at > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR but if you > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > operated carb is a weak link. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > Fred, > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > GregM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you > don t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Lee Dodge > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > But I'm broke. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: >> >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a >> site where >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found >> another out of >> England for @ 1200USD. >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many >> non racing >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, >> so keep >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very >> available, >> they'll only cost you time. >> Lee >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a >> large >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... >> >> Bob 09 >> >> ________________________________ >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. >> If there >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. >> Fred >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >> >> >> From: Jud >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> , RobertWichert wrote: >> > >> >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, >> compromise.... >> > >> > -- >> >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. It is the one >> thing the >> aftarmarket can't do. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! 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[Ron Haraseth]

$200 keeps me on interested list. I know the CVK handles altitude variables well. How about the Mikuni? I ride from 2,000 to 8,000, but typically between 3500 and 6500 feet. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:06 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; Ron Haraseth Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets You will have to jet this carb for your particular application. Mileage is effected negatively but this isn t why you would want this carb in the first place. Your best EPA legal carb is the stock CVK. I am working to put this kit together and looks like the kit will be around $200. They were selling for more that back in the White Bros. days. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Ron Haraseth Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:20 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets This sounds interesting. Any specifics on the jetting/needle position? How is the mileage affected? Ron -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM To: RobertWichert Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets Mikuni makes the carb, Motion Pro makes the throttle and you make the cable. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: RobertWichert Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:46 AM To: Fred Hink Cc: GMac999 ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'KLR650 List' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets OK, Fred, I'll bite. Who makes this wonderful item? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/4/2013 7:43 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > Yes, drilling the slide does make a difference but until you ride a 650 > with a direct pull carb, you don't know what you are missing. There is no > hesitation with this carb. Lofting the front wheel over a rock or log at > an idle is instantaneous. No waiting on the vacuum to catch up. A 650 > single is a torque monster and the CVK carb is killing this beast. The > CVK carb is a good all around carb and a good match for the KLR but if you > are wanting your KLR to pull hard at very slow speeds, this vacuum > operated carb is a weak link. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > -----Original Message----- From: GMac999 > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:24 AM > To: 'Fred Hink' ; 'Lee Dodge' ; 'RobertWichert' > Cc: 'KLR650 List' > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > Fred, > > That's what drilling the slide does, gets more vacuum to pull the slide > up. It really makes a difference in the low RPM snap and power. It > doesn't seem to effect the mid and upper rpm power or mpg. > > GregM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:05 AM > To: Lee Dodge; RobertWichert > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > I believe one of the big problems with the KLR is that the CVK carburetor > needs vacuum to operate the slide and at low speeds there isn t enough > vacuum to make the carb work like it should. Pulling up a steep incline at > slow speeds and you power out, this is not good. The engine is able to > make adequate torque but since the slide isn t opening when you want it, > it feels like a 125 instead of a 650. Changing the carb to a direct pull > type of carb makes all the difference and I doubt you would need a wide > ration or 6 speed transmission. White Bros. used to sell a Motion Pro > carb kit for the KLR that included a Mikuni direct pull carb, the > throttle, cable and everything else you needed to bolt in this carb to > your KLR. Mikuni still makes this carb and it is reasonable priced. You > would have to come up with the cable as the throttle is still available > too. This would wake up the bottom end and would be especially noticed at > trail riding speeds, not so much at freeway speeds. If anyone would like > to experiment with a Mikuni carb, let me know. > > There are some that have used first gear out of the early model KLR600 to > gain better low end gearing. This helps but is pretty expensive and you > don t see the KLR600 much anymore. > > IMS a while back was making wide ratio gear sets for some of the MX type > bikes. I asked IMS at one point if they might make a gear set for the KLR > and they said they could but the price was prohibitive. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Lee Dodge > Cc: KLR650 List > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Wide Ratio gearsets > > > I actually like the 13 tooth sprocket so much, I would not want to > switch back to stock no matter what. But another gear? THAT I would > like. Top gear would be a stock ratio fifth gear, as a sixth gear. > Wide ratio would be a decent improvement, if it was equivalent to a 13 > tooth top gear, in fourth, and fifth was stock. > > But I'm broke. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 2/3/2013 11:45 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: >> >> With the talk of gearing the KLRs and such I've provided a link to a >> site where >> you can see the cost ofa wide box for the Suzuki DRz400. I found >> another out of >> England for @ 1200USD. >> Yes the KLR would benefit from a change of some ratios (as would many >> non racing >> off roaders ) but the cost for development is HIGH. We''re on our own, >> so keep >> a selection of C'shaft sprockets, they're not expensive and very >> available, >> they'll only cost you time. >> Lee >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob K mailto:cbrxx98%40hotmail.com > >> To: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net ; >> mailto:dsn_klr650%40yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:07:06 PM >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> I don't think the stock KLR has enough grunt to pull a 6th gear with a >> large >> rider or a loaded bike. Wish it did though........... >> >> Bob 09 >> >> ________________________________ >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com ; >> mailto:judjonzz%40msn.com >> From: mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net >> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:45:23 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> IMS back in the day used to make a wide ratio gear set for the CR500. >> If there >> were enough demand, a wide ratio gear set could be made for the KLR. >> Fred >> http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >> >> >> From: Jud >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:45 AM >> To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 13 Tooth Road Ride Report >> >> >> --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com >> , RobertWichert wrote: >> > >> >> > Man, I'd kill for a six speed, or even a two-speed primary. Heck, a >> > REALLY wide ratio gearbox would be OK with me. Compromise, >> compromise.... >> > >> > -- >> >> This is the one thing it would be nice if KHI would do. 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